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    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 15th Mar 17, 4:54 PM
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    ISP Censorship
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    ISP Censorship 15th Mar 17 at 4:54 PM
    Hi Guys


    Has anyone else read this info with a bit of trepidation ??


    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/14/uk_new_realtime_live_server_blocking_order/


    It seems to me this is an initial test of real-time censorship , which is a sad day for the internet
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    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 15th Mar 17, 5:34 PM
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    Why not just switch off the entire internet when live football is on?

    I wonder if its possibly to fake the initial stream source to something that could cause widespread outages of the net? Source appears to be from google so google gets banned whilst live football is on?

    Curious to see what the other side come up with to combat it.
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    • S0litaire
    • By S0litaire 15th Mar 17, 6:54 PM
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    Curious to see what the other side come up with to combat it.
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    VPN
    Problem solved...

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    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 15th Mar 17, 6:57 PM
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    @ forgotmyname Hehe yes that would stick it to them !!


    Its not going to stop the determined streamer obviously as vpn's and alternate DNS servers are readily available but I think this sets a worrying precedent ..
    Once it becomes "the norm" to do this kind of thing it's a slippery slope into "them" turning off services whenever something they don't like is happening.


    Copyright infringement has always been a game of cat and mouse but I think this oversteps the mark a bit
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    • Gillor
    • By Gillor 15th Mar 17, 7:44 PM
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    Its not going to stop the determined streamer obviously as vpn's and alternate DNS servers are readily available....
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    Exactly, but any ideas on how to get a VPN onto an Amazon Fire TV stick.

    A theoretical exercise only as I would never consider streaming copyrighted material, or encourage others to do so
    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 15th Mar 17, 8:17 PM
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    VPN
    Problem solved...

    Originally posted by S0litaire
    They'll be outright blocking VPNs next, that's is what all of this is working up to, complete and total control over what we can and can't access online. It depresses me thinking of an England where our only source of information/news is the British Brainwashing Corporation and the tabloid press, it'll be like going back 70 years.

    Not only this, but with "Brexit" and Trump, the main UK political parties are fully aware that the public is slowly starting to wake up. Taking control of the internet is a sure way to ensure they can bury any political competition in the same way as happens in Russia. If not for the internet, I don't think we'd be facing "Brexit" right now.
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    • chunter
    • By chunter 15th Mar 17, 10:00 PM
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    They'll be outright blocking VPNs next, that's is what all of this is working up to, complete and total control over what we can and can't access online. It depresses me thinking of an England where our only source of information/news is the British Brainwashing Corporation and the tabloid press, it'll be like going back 70 years.

    Not only this, but with "Brexit" and Trump, the main UK political parties are fully aware that the public is slowly starting to wake up. Taking control of the internet is a sure way to ensure they can bury any political competition in the same way as happens in Russia. If not for the internet, I don't think we'd be facing "Brexit" right now.
    Originally posted by Strider590
    And what arm of the Russian government do you work for?
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 15th Mar 17, 10:21 PM
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    Hi Guys


    Has anyone else read this info with a bit of trepidation ??


    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/14/uk_new_realtime_live_server_blocking_order/


    It seems to me this is an initial test of real-time censorship , which is a sad day for the internet
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    I'm a bit confused by this. How does this differ from the powers that already exist?

    Are ISPs now taking the incentive to block servers without a court order to block them?

    Is this a new tactic, where content providers identify illegal streams and, rather than just blocking them, leave them up until a "pinnacle moment" (like an important football match) and then shut them down, hoping to cause the most disruption before the pirates have a chance to host the content on unblocked servers...?

    I mean... if they've identified an illegal stream, why block it for minutes instead of indefinitely...? Are they taking a heavy-handed approach and, essentially, blocking anything that might vaguely be related to live-streaming during important events? They might as well just turn off the internet during the World Cup!

    And what's the distinction in the article between shutting down "servers" as opposed to shutting down "websites"...?

    Interesting... :-/
    • were
    • By were 16th Mar 17, 12:12 AM
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    They'll be outright blocking VPNs next
    Originally posted by Strider590
    Don't think Sky actually blocked mine, they just severely limited the throughput, basically told me after a good few calls to go an f??? myself as they do not support vpn traffic, and got nowhere other than their mainl help desk. Their contract ended soon after.

    Here is another write up. https://torrentfreak.com/new-uk-kodi-piracy-blocking-injunction-is-a-pretty-scary-beast-170314/

    AP, welcome back!
    Last edited by were; 16-03-2017 at 9:29 AM. Reason: too many typos
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 16th Mar 17, 7:29 AM
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    I'm a bit confused by this. How does this differ from the powers that already exist?

    Are ISPs now taking the incentive to block servers without a court order to block them?

    Is this a new tactic, where content providers identify illegal streams and, rather than just blocking them, leave them up until a "pinnacle moment" (like an important football match) and then shut them down, hoping to cause the most disruption before the pirates have a chance to host the content on unblocked servers...?

    I mean... if they've identified an illegal stream, why block it for minutes instead of indefinitely...? Are they taking a heavy-handed approach and, essentially, blocking anything that might vaguely be related to live-streaming during important events? They might as well just turn off the internet during the World Cup!

    And what's the distinction in the article between shutting down "servers" as opposed to shutting down "websites"...?

    Interesting... :-/
    Originally posted by esuhl

    At the moment, they only block websites, not servers.
    The worrying thing about this is that they are allowed to block which servers they see fit "on the fly"
    rather than having to apply for court order for each one, and prove that it breaking the law in some way, in front of an actual judge.


    Imagine a peaceful anti government process breaking out, they would then have the ability to block any info on it instantly ... for example
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    • dipsomaniac
    • By dipsomaniac 16th Mar 17, 7:44 AM
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    isp's are rolling over and not contesting this because they are also the content providers that are losing out. surely a conflict of interest and not good for the freedom of the internet?

    soccer has itself to blame from creating a crazy situation where the rest of the world can watch a game live on tv but its local supports can't

    the obscene greed of soccer will continue until its supports put a stop to it
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    • EdwardB
    • By EdwardB 16th Mar 17, 8:20 AM
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    Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

    When I see judgements like this I feel the Court is being used a bit like a Corporate Police Force, OK they do not have uniformed officers but we have seen it elsewhere. HCEO's and TVL Crapita as examples.

    I guess when we saw TV becomes a main business of the ISP's it was inevitable that they would block things that cost them money.

    What concerns me is that at first it applies to these big providers but soon after it will be followed by a court order for all ISP's to block. Right now it is temporary because they are not sure how effective it will be or the impact.

    I do not use Kodi but I see it as a "market" that has been created by the greed of the TV companies.
    What I see happening is that technology will be developed over and above VPN's to get around this.

    It IS a slippery slope, what next, blocking on the fly a user who has a torrent?

    I can definitely see it used to abuse freedom.

    We know that when we had the riots they were using certain message channels of blackberry, it is a small step for authorities to block access to similar lines of communication at times when it suits the Gov e.g. around the time of elections, to close down the noise of dissent.
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    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 16th Mar 17, 8:55 AM
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    Exactly, but any ideas on how to get a VPN onto an Amazon Fire TV stick.
    Originally posted by Gillor

    https://seo-michael.co.uk/how-to-install-vpn-on-a-firestick-ipvanish-vpn/


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    • kwikbreaks
    • By kwikbreaks 16th Mar 17, 9:36 AM
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    VPN
    Problem solved...

    Originally posted by S0litaire
    This was my immediate thought. Especially as we get regular questions here about which is the best VPN to use with Kodi.

    IMO it's yet another example of greed from the football moguls. I have no interest whatsoever in football but I dearly hope that those who do and who can't afford the pay the ridiculous attendance fees or the still not cheap TV subscriptions or sup lager in the local all night can continue to watch the pirate versions. Perhaps if footballers didn't earn more a week than some poor devils do in a lifetime and their bosses doubtless more this wouldn't be an issue.
    • EdwardB
    • By EdwardB 16th Mar 17, 9:54 AM
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    VPN's have been blocked by BBC using a combination of reverse DNS coming up blank and of people placing cookies there before they turned on the VPN.

    There have also been some IP6 leaks so although said to be patched I turned that off as I do not use it.

    I was avoiding making a connection with VPN company software, instead creating connections in the same way they do in Linux with a network config.

    Having said that, I have a lifetime VPN but not really using it as browser based VPN's are working for me at the moment.

    It is GREED, I do not watch football or any live TV but I think it is a slippery slope when they find ways to block one thing it is not so far away for them to block at will.
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    • Gillor
    • By Gillor 16th Mar 17, 9:58 AM
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    Thanks Andy - good article but unfortunately it looks like I have a 1st gen Firestick and this only works on 2nd gen models.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 16th Mar 17, 10:12 AM
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    Thanks Andy - good article but unfortunately it looks like I have a 1st gen Firestick and this only works on 2nd gen models.
    Originally posted by Gillor

    VPN at router level then , although it will most likely mean you buying a new router ..
    https://www.howtogeek.com/221889/connect-your-home-router-to-a-vpn-to-bypass-censorship-filtering-and-more/


    Note : for the time being, this is only going to affect the live streams that pop up just before the matches start .. Not the streamable content that is sitting on servers everywhere ..


    They would REALLY struggle to block the other content, its like whack-a-mole
    example, as soon as they shut down putlocker.ch , putlocker.me pops up 10 minutes later.
    To block this stuff they would need to actually make Kodi not be able to install 3rd party add-ons (the scrapers that they use) .. And that would pretty much kill Kodi stone dead
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    • kwikbreaks
    • By kwikbreaks 16th Mar 17, 10:22 AM
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    And that would pretty much kill Kodi stone dead
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    Apart from all the old versions that still worked that would appear as downloads within a heatbeat of that happening.

    Circumvention of payment for copyright material is now so ingrained I really can't see it ever going away.
    • EdwardB
    • By EdwardB 16th Mar 17, 10:52 AM
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    I saw this way that explains how to do it using OpenVPN at the router, seems to be based on the chipset your router uses, if you want to get their VPN I have a link somewhere (referred by someone here) for $30 lifetime, not sure if any good.


    How to use VPN Unlimited

    with your Amazon Fire TV Stick and Amazon Fire TV



    In spite of the fact that neither Amazon Fire TV Stick, nor Amazon Fire TV does not have built-in VPN clients, you can still enjoy all the advantages of the VPN service while watching your favorite videos. For this purpose, you need to connect your device to a VPN-enabled router.
    Follow these easy steps to set up VPN Unlimited for your Amazon Fire TV Stick or Amazon Fire TV:
    1. Set up a VPN connection for your router.
    If you need help, please use these a step-by-step tutorials:
    Note: The VPN server location has to correspond to the regional Amazon content you want to access.
    2. Set up an Amazon account.
    Log in to your account on www.amazon.com.
    Then, go to Your Account -> Manage Your Content and Devices -> Settings -> Country Settings.
    Click Change, and set your location depending on the content you want to access.
    Click Update to save the changes.
    3. Connect your Amazon Fire TV Stick or Amazon Fire TV to your router.
    On your Amazon Fire TV go to Settings -> System -> Network -> Choose your VPN-enabled router -> Connect
    Note: If you use Amazon Fire TV Stick, this step might be slightly different depending on the model of your Smart TV.
    That’s it! Your streaming device is connected to the VPN-enabled router. Now you can enjoy your favorite videos. Give it a try right away!


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    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 16th Mar 17, 10:53 AM
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    It is NOT greed, or at least it is nothing to do with football greed.

    I don't know why people can't see beyond what's in front of their noses!

    Blaming football, blaming piracy, blaming porn, blaming !!!!!philes, blaming brexit, blaming Trump, it's all just a smoke screen.

    When big controversial stories like this pop up, we have to take the attitude that they're trying to hide something, we have to look at what else might be going on and this case we need focus not on "I don't care, it won't affect me", but focus on what the wider implications actually are.
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