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    • t-mids
    • By t-mids 14th Mar 17, 9:57 PM
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    'Forced' work from Job Center.
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    • 14th Mar 17, 9:57 PM
    'Forced' work from Job Center. 14th Mar 17 at 9:57 PM
    I have been signed on since Dec 2016 (only receive JSA) and today was my appointment and the lady told me that I have to attend an actual job, which is full time hours for 8 weeks but no pay. She said I have to take this as the government is forcing people to do this. I honestly would not mind doing this job, however not for free.

    Is this right? I really do not want to work for anybody for free. I have heard of the work programme but this does not sound like it. I don't even know the title of this program as she said she could not show me any information on it as her computer was not working at the moment. She just written down an address and phone number and told me to go there.

    I hope this is in the right forum also.
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    • lovinituk
    • By lovinituk 14th Mar 17, 9:58 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 9:58 PM
    It's not unpaid - you will still be getting paid your JSA.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 14th Mar 17, 10:03 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 10:03 PM
    It's not unpaid - you will still be getting paid your JSA.
    Originally posted by lovinituk
    Yes, but JSA pays £73 per week. If the job is full time that equates to about £2 per hour. Surely that breaks the minimum wage requirements.
    • lovinituk
    • By lovinituk 14th Mar 17, 10:04 PM
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    Yes, but JSA pays £73 per week. If the job is full time that equates to about £2 per hour. Surely that breaks the minimum wage requirements.
    Originally posted by TELLIT01
    I did wonder that but wasn't sure how much JSA was.
    • elsien
    • By elsien 14th Mar 17, 10:11 PM
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    I'd phone up and ask exactly what it is. Then I'd be checking independently with CAB or similar whether it is indeed obligatory.
    If a company wants two months work out of someone then they should pay them the going rate for it.

    You really need to check if it is the work experience programme as CAB says
    "Joining the Work Experience programme is voluntary. However, once you accept a place it becomes compulsory. This means if you are 18 or over and you lose your place because of gross misconduct, your Jobseeker's Allowance can be stopped."


    Edit - you might want to post this in the benefits section of the forum. They probably have more idea about what you can/can't be made to do.
    Last edited by elsien; 14-03-2017 at 10:17 PM.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • Bogalot
    • By Bogalot 14th Mar 17, 10:18 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 10:18 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 10:18 PM
    Yes, but JSA pays £73 per week. If the job is full time that equates to about £2 per hour. Surely that breaks the minimum wage requirements.
    Originally posted by TELLIT01
    OP also receives HB, and therefore presumably CTB also.

    When you add it all up it's not quite min wage, but not far off. Even then it's irrelevant, OP is doing work experience, they're not subject to NMW legislation.

    They are free to close their claim if they wish to.
    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 14th Mar 17, 10:29 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 10:29 PM
    Yes, but JSA pays £73 per week. If the job is full time that equates to about £2 per hour. Surely that breaks the minimum wage requirements.
    Originally posted by TELLIT01
    You could argue that if you add all the FREE money OP has had since december, maybe it will work out to mim wage or more.

    Either way it is work experience as op is not able to find a job. The only options are 1: find a job, 2: stop accepting FREE money.


    (im saying FREE money as OP is happy to accept money for nothing but its totally against his values to work for nothing)

    and if he is getting HB and CTR with that then thats a fair bit of FREE money

    nothing personal OP i just see this attitude a lot, its not a good one imo
    Last edited by xapprenticex; 14-03-2017 at 10:31 PM.
    • t-mids
    • By t-mids 14th Mar 17, 10:30 PM
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    No I don't receive HB, just JSA...
    • t-mids
    • By t-mids 14th Mar 17, 10:32 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 10:32 PM
    I worked out what it is now, I just never heard of this scheme before, little internet searching and all is revealed... problem solved...
    • Mersey
    • By Mersey 14th Mar 17, 11:01 PM
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    I have been signed on since Dec 2016 (only receive JSA) and today was my appointment and the lady told me that I have to attend an actual job, which is full time hours for 8 weeks but no pay. She said I have to take this as the government is forcing people to do this. I honestly would not mind doing this job, however not for free.

    I don't even know the title of this program as she said she could not show me any information on it as her computer was not working at the moment. She just written down an address and phone number and told me to go there.
    Originally posted by t-mids


    What she said was incorrect and as such is maladministration.


    The DWP Mandatory schemes were ended.


    The Work Placement is still in place - so it may be this. The WP does exist in a reformed sense, but it's usually for those on JSA for over 12 months.


    What is meant to happen is that the JCP are supposed to ask if you can arrange a placement yourself. If not, they'll suggest a couple and this can then be agreed with your advisor.


    To be 'mandated' to attend you should have been provided with a written Jobseeker Direction.


    Ring up and ask if they can provide a Direction (if they are ordering you to attend). This letter then allows you to refuse if you provide 'good reason' - the same includes that you can find your own work experience placement.


    A handwritten note can never be deemed a Direction, whatever the IT excuse.
    Please be polite to OPs and remember this is a site for Claimants and Appellants to seek redress against their bank, ex-boss or retailer. If they wanted morality or the view of the IoD or Bank they'd ask them.
    • Mersey
    • By Mersey 14th Mar 17, 11:10 PM
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    OP also receives HB, and therefore presumably CTB also.

    When you add it all up it's not quite min wage, but not far off. Even then it's irrelevant, OP is doing work experience, they're not subject to NMW legislation.
    Originally posted by Bogalot


    The OP does not - so wrong to presume (again).


    Also untrue re all work experience for adults.


    Unpaid internships and work placements indeed are covered - since the whistleblowing in 2014, all public sector bodies and political parties have agreed that they will no longer offer the same and will comply with the NMW Act until such time as an SI is laid and comes into force to encompass such short-term work placements.


    I assume therefore any remaining placements the DWP can organise are with one of the 9 PLCs still offering them (as all but two of the third sector orgs also pulled out of the scheme).


    www.gov.uk/moving-from-benefits-to-work/work-experience-and-volunteering


    As you'll see, placements are voluntary and a claimant will not be sanctioned for leaving early. The Flexible Support Fund also covers transport costs to attend any placements - applications can be made at any JCP office.
    Last edited by Mersey; 14-03-2017 at 11:17 PM.
    Please be polite to OPs and remember this is a site for Claimants and Appellants to seek redress against their bank, ex-boss or retailer. If they wanted morality or the view of the IoD or Bank they'd ask them.
    • Mersey
    • By Mersey 14th Mar 17, 11:25 PM
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    the lady told me that I have to attend an actual job, which is full time hours for 8 weeks but no pay. She said I have to take this as the government is forcing people to do this.
    Originally posted by t-mids

    Incidentally, the Mandatory 'workfare' schemes were abolished 16 months ago, so even if your advisor has been away on maternity or other leave, she has no excuse for not knowing this:


    www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-scraps-mandatory-work-for-your-benefits-scheme-without-fanfare-a6750041.html
    Please be polite to OPs and remember this is a site for Claimants and Appellants to seek redress against their bank, ex-boss or retailer. If they wanted morality or the view of the IoD or Bank they'd ask them.
    • jonmoneybags
    • By jonmoneybags 15th Mar 17, 9:50 AM
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    Quite easy solution to not wanting to be forced to work..........sign off the handout train
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 15th Mar 17, 9:56 AM
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    Quite easy solution to not wanting to be forced to work..........sign off the handout train
    Originally posted by jonmoneybags
    She says she is happy to work, she just wants the NMW for her labour.

    Would you work for £2 an hour? I certainly wouldn't!
    • Doshwaster
    • By Doshwaster 15th Mar 17, 10:00 AM
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    Quite easy solution to not wanting to be forced to work..........sign off the handout train
    Originally posted by jonmoneybags
    If I was out of work I wouldn't bother signing on just for £73 a week. Far easier to live off savings until another job comes along and then you don't have to take part in any of these job centre schemes.
    • jonmoneybags
    • By jonmoneybags 15th Mar 17, 10:43 AM
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    She says she is happy to work, she just wants the NMW for her labour.

    Would you work for £2 an hour? I certainly wouldn't!
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    easy solution, get a job. When being paid by the taxpayer, play by the taxpayer rules.
    • Zinger549
    • By Zinger549 15th Mar 17, 10:45 AM
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    If I was out of work I wouldn't bother signing on just for £73 a week. Far easier to live off savings until another job comes along and then you don't have to take part in any of these job centre schemes.
    Originally posted by Doshwaster
    If your on JSA you get your NI contributions paid.
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    Come on you Irons
    • Doshwaster
    • By Doshwaster 15th Mar 17, 11:00 AM
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    If your on JSA you get your NI contributions paid.
    Originally posted by Zinger549
    I pay more than enough NI, thanks. If necessary I would just make voluntary contributions to fill any gaps.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 15th Mar 17, 11:53 AM
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    easy solution, get a job. When being paid by the taxpayer, play by the taxpayer rules.
    Originally posted by jonmoneybags
    Right, because its that easy...

    Especially when there are employers who are more than happy to take her on as free labour for a few months but apparently not willing to actually give her a real job!
    • gettingready
    • By gettingready 15th Mar 17, 12:08 PM
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    Everyone going on OP living off "free money" and "taxpayers money" - why do you assume OP was not a taxpayer himself/herself for years before?
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