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    • chelseablue
    • By chelseablue 14th Mar 17, 4:04 PM
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    Council Tax
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    • 14th Mar 17, 4:04 PM
    Council Tax 14th Mar 17 at 4:04 PM
    Just received our Council Tax bill for 2017/18.... 1,846.


    Seems a lot to me but we are in Berkshire, SE England


    Anyone else had theirs yet?
    Baby Boy born May 2014

    Mortgage starting balance 26.02.16 231,294
    Mortgage after Year 1 225,078
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    • Callie22
    • By Callie22 15th Mar 17, 8:22 PM
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    We just got our bill and ours has gone up 10.8%. We already have to pay separately for green waste and that's gone up from 40 to 50 per year.
    • Weewdy
    • By Weewdy 15th Mar 17, 8:28 PM
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    Ours has gawn up 10%. We now pay 2150. Band E ayrshire
    • boliston
    • By boliston 15th Mar 17, 10:19 PM
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    ....
    Its about time single persons discount was 50%.
    Originally posted by sammyjammy
    I used to think 50% discount on council tax is fair for single people, but generally single people choose smaller properties such a studio, 1 bed or 2 bed properties which would mainly be band A or B.

    A very wealthy single person might choose a huge 4 or 5 bedroom property but it would be unfair to get such a massive discount like 50% when they can afford such a huge property.

    An ideal solution would be for a fair tax based one "one adult per bedroom" but a surcharge when 2 adults without children occupy a 3 bedroom property.
    • CIS
    • By CIS 16th Mar 17, 7:47 AM
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    It doesn't but the alternative is to charge per person- and that didn't end well last time.

    Craig
    I no longer work in Council Tax Recovery as I'm now a self employed Council Tax advisor and consultant with my own Council Tax consultancy business. My views are my own reading of the law and you should always check with the local authority in question.
    • Hedgehog99
    • By Hedgehog99 16th Mar 17, 10:24 AM
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    An ideal solution would be for a fair tax based one "one adult per bedroom" but a surcharge when 2 adults without children occupy a 3 bedroom property.
    Originally posted by boliston
    Children cost the council a lot - education is a big chunk of the budget.

    People without children are already subsidising it and you want to penalise them even more?
    • p00hsticks
    • By p00hsticks 16th Mar 17, 6:00 PM
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    I used to think 50% discount on council tax is fair for single people, but generally single people choose smaller properties such a studio, 1 bed or 2 bed properties which would mainly be band A or B.
    Originally posted by boliston
    Single people only get a 25% discount, not 50% (at least in England)
    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 16th Mar 17, 6:24 PM
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    Single people only get a 25% discount, not 50% (at least in England)
    Originally posted by p00hsticks
    No ones saying it is, people are just discussing what it is and what it could be etc?
    Survey Earnings 2017 - 163
    • Chanes
    • By Chanes 16th Mar 17, 7:16 PM
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    Chanes
    Bury,Lancs. Band E now 2,009.00 Social Care Premium included.
    • boliston
    • By boliston 16th Mar 17, 7:37 PM
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    Children cost the council a lot - education is a big chunk of the budget.

    People without children are already subsidising it and you want to penalise them even more?
    Originally posted by Hedgehog99
    My main concern is the huge level of under occupation of a very finite resource.

    The worst example is the speculative investor who will buy expensive property and keep it empty with the capital gain as their only interest, but there is also a lot of property that is hugely under occupied, such as pensioners who own huge properties when many families are crammed into tiny properties and many cannot even afford a home at all.

    People should still have the option to under-occupy to their hearts content but the tax they pay should reflect the cost to society of their choice.
    • Chanes
    • By Chanes 16th Mar 17, 8:03 PM
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    ...but the tax they pay should reflect the cost to society of their choice.
    Originally posted by boliston
    Make people pay for their cost to society. Absolutely.

    No kids? Get a reduction. Private health? Get a reduction. Lot's of kids...get an increase! Need care? Get an increase...

    Kidding!

    I see your point but it is so complicated I gave up trying to think about it. The social care premium was to be expected too but I suspect that is going to be a controversial issue in the future.
    Last edited by Chanes; 16-03-2017 at 8:06 PM.
    • Spider In The Bath
    • By Spider In The Bath 16th Mar 17, 8:05 PM
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    I used to think 50% discount on council tax is fair for single people, but generally single people choose smaller properties such a studio, 1 bed or 2 bed properties which would mainly be band A or B.

    A very wealthy single person might choose a huge 4 or 5 bedroom property but it would be unfair to get such a massive discount like 50% when they can afford such a huge property.

    An ideal solution would be for a fair tax based one "one adult per bedroom" but a surcharge when 2 adults without children occupy a 3 bedroom property.
    Originally posted by boliston
    Ours is a small 2 bed bungalow and we are in Band D.
    • zebulon
    • By zebulon 16th Mar 17, 8:10 PM
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    Band F, 2 bedroom flat. 2578.53 (inc. water & sew)
    +12%
    • Chanes
    • By Chanes 16th Mar 17, 8:17 PM
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    Band F, 2 bedroom flat. 2578.53 (inc. water & sew)
    +12%
    Originally posted by zebulon
    This is in Scotland, isn't it? Crikey, I thought we'd been had over a bit until I saw some of the other places.
    • zebulon
    • By zebulon 16th Mar 17, 8:30 PM
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    This is in Scotland, isn't it? Crikey, I thought we'd been had over a bit until I saw some of the other places.
    Originally posted by Chanes
    Aye!
    ...........
    • glasgowdan
    • By glasgowdan 16th Mar 17, 8:35 PM
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    So why has Scotland been hammered so hard above band D? And what's Jimmy Krankie, I mean Nicola Sturgeon, going to do about it?
    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 16th Mar 17, 8:44 PM
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    Band E 1980. Plus 35 for green waste.
    • Torry Quine
    • By Torry Quine 16th Mar 17, 8:49 PM
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    The reason that it's only a 25% reduction for a single person is because 50% of the bill is for the property and 50% for the people.
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    • GaleSF63
    • By GaleSF63 16th Mar 17, 8:52 PM
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    generally single people choose smaller properties such a studio, 1 bed or 2 bed properties which would mainly be band A or B.
    Originally posted by boliston
    2 bedroom flat, Band E, 1594, exc water etc which will add another 526. Argyll and Bute council. (That's without single person discount).
    • jennifernil
    • By jennifernil 17th Mar 17, 12:22 AM
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    So why has Scotland been hammered so hard above band D? And what's Jimmy Krankie, I mean Nicola Sturgeon, going to do about it?
    Originally posted by glasgowdan
    The extra increases for bands E,F,G and H were put inplace by the Scottish Parliament itself, not the councils.

    Our council increase is about 90, the extra on top of that, as dictated by the parliament, is 512.

    Our water and waste is over 800.

    The total increase for CT and water/waste is over 20%.
    Last edited by jennifernil; 17-03-2017 at 12:26 AM.
    • jennifernil
    • By jennifernil 17th Mar 17, 12:34 AM
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    My main concern is the huge level of under occupation of a very finite resource.

    The worst example is the speculative investor who will buy expensive property and keep it empty with the capital gain as their only interest, but there is also a lot of property that is hugely under occupied, such as pensioners who own huge properties when many families are crammed into tiny properties and many cannot even afford a home at all.

    People should still have the option to under-occupy to their hearts content but the tax they pay should reflect the cost to society of their choice.
    Originally posted by boliston
    So pensioners should be forced to leave the home they have paid for? Or taxed out of it?

    How do you reckon these families are going to be able to afford to buy these larger houses?

    Exactly what cost to society do you believe is involved in people remaining in their own home?
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