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    • beth222
    • By beth222 14th Mar 17, 2:51 PM
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    New job and JSA
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    • 14th Mar 17, 2:51 PM
    New job and JSA 14th Mar 17 at 2:51 PM
    I'm about to start a part time job at 15 per week at £7.20 which works out at £435 a month . Now I receive HS and CTB plus £140 JSA per fortnight. My question is will my JSA be reduced or will I be allowed to keep it all thank you.
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    • _shel
    • By _shel 14th Mar 17, 3:54 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 3:54 PM
    Are you still seeking work and spending the required time doing so
    Thanks to everyone who posts competitions
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 14th Mar 17, 3:56 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 3:56 PM
    you will lose all JSA as your income will reduce it £ for £ ( after a small disregard. £5 for a single person rising to £20 for a single parent)
    but you will continue to receive NI credits.

    housing benefit is based on household income so your entitlement will remain but earnings taken into consideration
    • beth222
    • By beth222 14th Mar 17, 6:43 PM
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    Surely I wouldn't lose all of my £140 per fortnight I receive in JSA as that would only give me the £432 and that is paid monthly. I may aswell stay on JSA as I'm not going to be any better off having to go a whole month waiting on a wage.
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 14th Mar 17, 6:57 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 6:57 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 6:57 PM
    Surely I wouldn't lose all of my £140 per fortnight I receive in JSA as that would only give me the £432 and that is paid monthly. I may aswell stay on JSA as I'm not going to be any better off having to go a whole month waiting on a wage.
    Originally posted by beth222
    JSA is roughly £292 every 4 weeks, which is considerably less than £432.

    if you refuse a job offer without good reason, your JSA will be sanctioned
    • Darksparkle
    • By Darksparkle 14th Mar 17, 7:47 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 7:47 PM
    It's £468 per month, £432 every 4 weeks.
    • beth222
    • By beth222 14th Mar 17, 8:25 PM
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    I still find it a very small wage without the help of the JSA payment as well and that is why I thought if I worked 15 hours I would be entitled to both.
    • tazwhoever
    • By tazwhoever 14th Mar 17, 8:37 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 8:37 PM
    OP - JSA is £73.10 per week and Work is £108 per week. You will lose the whole JSA. HB is calculated on your new earnings.

    NB - if you are over 25 years.
    • beth222
    • By beth222 14th Mar 17, 8:49 PM
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    • 14th Mar 17, 8:49 PM
    I understand that and what you're saying but I still think its unfair to remove the whole of the JSA. especially when my wage is the 31st of every month. it means I wouldn't have any money each week until I got paid that wage.
    • beth222
    • By beth222 14th Mar 17, 8:53 PM
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    In fact a girl I work with is allowed to keep her JSA even though shes working at same place as me and her adviser told her that the wage of £108 per week wouldn't affect her JSA payment as she only 15 hours.
    • Mersey
    • By Mersey 14th Mar 17, 9:25 PM
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    Mersey
    Only Universal Credit claimants will keep some of their earnings from being an employee or being self-employed.


    JSA claimants cannot.


    Check with your JCP if you can voluntarily move to UC. Indeed closing a JSA claim and then claiming UC may also be an option if they refuse. Although usually this wouldn't be advantageous to most claimants - it may be in you case.
    Please be polite to OPs and remember this is a site for Claimants and Appellants to seek redress against their bank, ex-boss or retailer. If they wanted morality or the view of the IoD or Bank they'd ask them.
    • Bogalot
    • By Bogalot 14th Mar 17, 9:25 PM
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    In fact a girl I work with is allowed to keep her JSA even though shes working at same place as me and her adviser told her that the wage of £108 per week wouldn't affect her JSA payment as she only 15 hours.
    Originally posted by beth222
    That girl is at best confused and facing an overpayment, and at worst committing fraud and facing prosecution.

    You will lose your JSA payment. Each time you sign you need to declare your hours worked and earnings and your payment will be recalculated accordingly.
    • konark
    • By konark 14th Mar 17, 10:39 PM
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    You can keep £5 a week or £20 if you're a single parent, so you'll be at least £28 a week better off and you won't have to jump through the hoops at the Job Centre.. HB and CTC will probably be unaffected .

    If you do switch to UC you will still be required to look for another (extra) job to bring your hours up to 35.
    • MHOWARD
    • By MHOWARD 14th Mar 17, 10:51 PM
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    I still find it a very small wage without the help of the JSA payment as well and that is why I thought if I worked 15 hours I would be entitled to both.
    Originally posted by beth222
    It's a small wage as it's only fifteen hours per week, maybe you could up your hours or even go full time after a while. Also it's easier to get a better paid job when you are in work than it is if you are jobless. Not to mention the self respect you will gain from working.
    • suki1964
    • By suki1964 14th Mar 17, 11:56 PM
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    15 hrs is not a full time job. It used to be 40 hrs, possibly now it's 35 hrs

    So 15 hrs over 5 days is 3 hrs a day. That leaves you 5 hrs a day ( based on a 40 Hr week) in which to fit another part time job into if your 15 hrs isn't enough to live on

    There are of course 7 days a week so there's another two days in which to have a part time job as well.

    Why do you think you are entitled to only work part time and let the tax payer pick up the pieces?
    • beth222
    • By beth222 16th Mar 17, 5:28 PM
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    Told you I could earn upto a £115 per week without it affecting my benefit.

    Permitted work higher limit

    This allows you to earn up to £115.50 a week, after tax and national insurance deductions, without affecting your benefit, if you are getting employment and support allowance (ESA), incapacity benefit, severe disablement allowance (SDA) or national insurance credits because of incapacity for work. The work must be for less than 16 hours a week. The earnings limit is normally increased each October.
    You can normally only do permitted work higher limit for up to 52 weeks. There is no 52 week time limit if you are on ESA and have been placed in the ‘support group’. From April 2017 there is no 52 week time limit for people on ESA.
    If you have a break in your claim of more than eight weeks (or 12 weeks for ESA), you can repeat the 52-week period of permitted work higher limit. Otherwise, you can do further permitted work higher limit only after a gap of more than 52 weeks since you last did it.

    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 16th Mar 17, 5:38 PM
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    Told you I could earn upto a £115 per week without it affecting my benefit.

    Permitted work higher limit

    This allows you to earn up to £115.50 a week, after tax and national insurance deductions, without affecting your benefit, if you are getting employment and support allowance (ESA), incapacity benefit, severe disablement allowance (SDA) or national insurance credits because of incapacity for work. The work must be for less than 16 hours a week. The earnings limit is normally increased each October.
    You can normally only do permitted work higher limit for up to 52 weeks. There is no 52 week time limit if you are on ESA and have been placed in the ‘support group’. From April 2017 there is no 52 week time limit for people on ESA.
    If you have a break in your claim of more than eight weeks (or 12 weeks for ESA), you can repeat the 52-week period of permitted work higher limit. Otherwise, you can do further permitted work higher limit only after a gap of more than 52 weeks since you last did it.

    Originally posted by beth222
    This does not apply to JSA.

    Perhaps your friend was on ESA?
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 16th Mar 17, 5:40 PM
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    you said you were on JSA.
    you didn't mention sickness or disability.


    what criteria do you meet for permitted work?
    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 16th Mar 17, 6:18 PM
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    As you are new I will phrase this nicely.

    You are really really very confused about benefits and you don't appear to know what you are talking about.

    You posted here for help and people are helping you.

    You cannot keep both. Otherwise, why would people Choose to work 20/25 hours?

    You need to get more hours if you think your wage is too low.
    Survey Earnings 2017 - £163
    • beth222
    • By beth222 16th Mar 17, 6:28 PM
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    I'm making a point. if your allowed to keep your benefit on ESA then the same rule applies on JSA. my friend who started working for a cleaning co keeps her JSA and still gets a wage and pay slips.
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