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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 11:44 PM
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    Calling time on PIP
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    • 12th Mar 17, 11:44 PM
    Calling time on PIP 12th Mar 17 at 11:44 PM
    To tell you the truth I have had it.
    What with the replies that I have been getting, and the opinions that I am facing an almost impossible task in turning over the PIP decision, and the lack of help from any outside welfare rights agency I am closing the book on the PIP claim. I just cannot cope with rejection - it is a personal thing.
    I've been told that I should not claim it if I don't need the money, it was my fault that CAB didn't get back to me in time, my fault that I didn't get a 14 day extension from the DWP when I was offered 7 days and worst still, it's my fault that I am ill which makes me irrational and unable to see things/deal with things.

    I just hope that nobody else has to try to cope with what has been thrown at me.
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    • Tommo1980
    • By Tommo1980 20th Mar 17, 11:38 AM
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    Why on earth would you consider a JCP employee a professional? You would be just as well asking a shelf stacker at Tesco's for help filling in the form.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 20th Mar 17, 11:47 AM
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    Why on earth would you consider a JCP employee a professional? You would be just as well asking a shelf stacker at Tesco's for help filling in the form.
    Originally posted by Tommo1980
    Every little helps.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
    • antrobus
    • By antrobus 20th Mar 17, 1:36 PM
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    ...search link may not work, just click on his profile and check thread starts

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/member.php?u=1013571
    Originally posted by cbrown372
    Ah, now I understand those previous references to andy and flo.

    I see what you mean.
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 20th Mar 17, 1:57 PM
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    Every little helps.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog
    Even Nanna's soup.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 20th Mar 17, 2:17 PM
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    Why on earth would you consider a JCP employee a professional? You would be just as well asking a shelf stacker at Tesco's for help filling in the form.
    Originally posted by Tommo1980

    I didn't ask! The guy rang me up to offer.
    It must then be an age thing. I always believed that civil servants were in the same league as accountants and solicitors. To me all are professionals.
    • tomtom256
    • By tomtom256 20th Mar 17, 2:23 PM
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    I never said that I did. But based on my self assessment I see that the DWP giving 0 points is plainly wrong. How else do you want me to word it? Advice on here and other forums tells claimants to look at the descriptors to see which ones apply. That is what I have done.

    All I want (like every other claimant) is the right decision first time round.
    Why would the DWP/assessor ignore clear evidence that shows that I have needs? Why do they say that I have no problems using an unadapted bath? Why say that I do not have any difficulties using the toilet? Why say that I can undress/dress without any assistance? When it is as clear as daylight that when Social Services assessed me and the home not only did they offer to put in place carers to come 2/3 times a day, provide a bath lift to get in and out of the bath and provide a toilet frame and seat?
    Do the DWP just assume that as I now have the equipment and get help that all of my difficulties have been resolved?
    Then what about the reports/diagnosis and prognosis that I sent them regarding my mental health functions?
    The answer to those questions is down to how the PIP2 was filled in. It lacks any real information and certainly does not explain that despite the aids and adaptions my life is still difficult. I (like thousands of others) would normally expect that when a professional is brought on board who helps to fill out the form you would expect it to be done better than how the claimant could ever have done.
    I would expect that thousands if not more after having had the form filled in for them would just assume that it is complete and accurate in every respect. How many would then go through what has been written and cross out/improve/revise the contents?
    To be given 0 points when it is beyond clear that I still have these problems confuses me.

    As I have said before I am not fighting this for the money, that is unimportant and not needed. What I am fighting it for is that I want a decision that actually takes into account all of my difficulties. I honestly don't care if I am one point under both care and mobility elements just as long as the decision is correct.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    So presumably you have all this help at the office?

    I am also confused that someone at the JCP offered to fill in your forms, as this is a role they will not do.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 20th Mar 17, 2:43 PM
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    So presumably you have all this help at the office?

    I am also confused that someone at the JCP offered to fill in your forms, as this is a role they will not do.
    Originally posted by tomtom256
    Tomtom256

    A little while back Rockingbilly said this

    "Without quoting chapter and verse. I have one report dated 2014 when tested for Dementia that clearly states that I have great difficulties in coping and understanding new information, and sequencing as well as showing a noticeable loss of functional & analytical skills.. I have memory loss which is confirmed with a diagnosis of Dementia caused either by vascular problems (most likely) or alcoholism (unlikely) which is being treated"

    It's very sad - both for Rockingbilly and his wife. My father had much the same diagnosis and I know how confused he became

    Perhaps this accounts for the contradictions/confusions in rockingbilly's posts. As I said earlier I hope he doesn't give advice/information to other forum users because it could cause real problems for them .
    Last edited by NeilCr; 20-03-2017 at 2:48 PM.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 20th Mar 17, 3:12 PM
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    rockingbilly
    So presumably you have all this help at the office?

    I am also confused that someone at the JCP offered to fill in your forms, as this is a role they will not do.
    Originally posted by tomtom256
    What office?

    well that is your choice to make. I can assure you that the guy rang me up from the local Jobcentre (following a referral from PIP) to fill the PIP2 form in for me.
    Presumably this was because of what I said on the telephone in completing the PIP1 that I needed help and had no one to turn to.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 20th Mar 17, 3:22 PM
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    Tomtom256

    A little while back Rockingbilly said this

    "Without quoting chapter and verse. I have one report dated 2014 when tested for Dementia that clearly states that I have great difficulties in coping and understanding new information, and sequencing as well as showing a noticeable loss of functional & analytical skills.. I have memory loss which is confirmed with a diagnosis of Dementia caused either by vascular problems (most likely) or alcoholism (unlikely) which is being treated"

    .
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    You feel sad, how do you think I feel?
    I still can't get into my head why the assessor/DWP took no notice of that particular report - it couldn't have been anymore clear and concise.
    And the report from the Pain Clinic that went into extreme detail as to what the scans/xrays showed as being wrong with my spine indicating the particular part of the back that is damaged. They prescribed that I continue with the Morphine 100mg twice a day and increased the Pregablin from 100mg twice a day to 150mg twice a day. That report could not have been anymore clear but was ignored..

    Mind you very little about both of those two aspects was described on the PIP2 from what I have now seen. In fact the form suggests that I don't have any particular problems with mental health or the back injury.
    Last edited by rockingbilly; 20-03-2017 at 3:26 PM.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 20th Mar 17, 3:32 PM
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    You feel sad, how do you think I feel?
    I still can't get into my head why the assessor/DWP took no notice of that particular report - it couldn't have been anymore clear and concise.
    And the report from the Pain Clinic that went into extreme detail as to what the scans/xrays showed as being wrong with my spine indicating the particular part of the back that is damaged. They prescribed that I continue with the Morphine 100mg twice a day and increased the Pregablin from 100mg twice a day to 150mg twice a day. That report could not have been anymore clear but was ignored..

    Mind you very little about both of those two aspects was described on the PIP2 from what I have now seen. In fact the form suggests that I don't have any particular problems with mental health or the back injury.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Trouble is because of your diagnosis I have no idea of just how real anything you post is. So this post could be a mixture of confusion and problems with your memory. That's why I don't think you should post any advice/information as no-one (including you) will know if it is true or real

    I know what it was like for my stepmother so am well aware of what I am talking about

    Please don't post advice on here
    Last edited by NeilCr; 20-03-2017 at 3:51 PM.
    • w06
    • By w06 20th Mar 17, 7:05 PM
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    Rockingbilly, with the greatest respect please listen to NeilCr,. you're dominating at least two fora where people are posting asking for advice and they and anyone who tries to help them are instead receiving diatribes from you. When you're calm you try to advise, whilst admitting in this and other threads you don't understand this stuff.

    You're very clearly, and by your own admission, confused and stressed, and confabulating (making things up to fill the gaps, something very common in your conditions). Try to remember other people come here for help too. Please.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 20th Mar 17, 7:20 PM
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    Trouble is because of your diagnosis I have no idea of just how real anything you post is. So this post could be a mixture of confusion and problems with your memory. That's why I don't think you should post any advice/information as no-one (including you) will know if it is true or real

    I know what it was like for my stepmother so am well aware of what I am talking about

    Please don't post advice on here
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    That last post of mine wasn't giving advice it was actually asking a question.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 20th Mar 17, 7:25 PM
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    Rockingbilly, with the greatest respect please listen to NeilCr,. you're dominating at least two fora where people are posting asking for advice and they and anyone who tries to help them are instead receiving diatribes from you. When you're calm you try to advise, whilst admitting in this and other threads you don't understand this stuff.

    You're very clearly, and by your own admission, confused and stressed, and confabulating (making things up to fill the gaps, something very common in your conditions). Try to remember other people come here for help too. Please.
    Originally posted by w06
    Oh I see I'm not worthy of asking questions on here.
    Seems that my avenues are being ever more depleted.

    I have to get a MR off by next week and haven't a clue how to do it. Never mind I don't suppose I can make a bigger !!!! up with it as was done with my claim form.

    I will leave you all in peace
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 20th Mar 17, 7:37 PM
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    That last post of mine wasn't giving advice it was actually asking a question.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    I know it was

    I am making a general statement

    Read what w06 says

    It's not about being worthy. It's about thinking about other people. You say you are confused and stressed - you say you have dementia - you say you cannot fill in the forms.

    Do you think it is fair that- given these issues - you should be advising/giving information to other people. You have already done this tonight on another forum
    Last edited by NeilCr; 20-03-2017 at 7:49 PM.
    • batg
    • By batg 20th Mar 17, 7:52 PM
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    The OP states they GIVE THE MONEY AWAY that they get.
    So they do not in anyway shape or form need it then?
    So am I to assume the only reason they fight the battles with the DWP is because they enjoy the fight and want the acknowledgement that they think there is something wrong with them?
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 21st Mar 17, 10:29 AM
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    The OP states they GIVE THE MONEY AWAY that they get.
    So they do not in anyway shape or form need it then?
    So am I to assume the only reason they fight the battles with the DWP is because they enjoy the fight and want the acknowledgement that they think there is something wrong with them?
    Originally posted by batg
    Whether I need the money is immaterial. There are no rules or regulations that state that only those that need it, get it.
    I am fighting for recognition. To be told by the DWP that there is very little wrong with me and that I do not have any needs - care or mobility is simply not the truth and is a bad decision.
    The only part of PIP, as was with DLA, that is of any interest to me is the automatic Blue Badge (used when my daughter takes me out) and the free road tax.
    I don't think that there is something wrong with me, my medical/surgical/mental health teams say there is.
    Is it so wrong for people who have disabling conditions to want some form of recognition from the government with or without the financial compensation?
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 21st Mar 17, 10:50 AM
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    I thought you were going to leave us all in peace.?????

    Yet you keep coming back.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 21st Mar 17, 2:27 PM
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    I thought you were going to leave us all in peace.?????

    Yet you keep coming back.
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    I will leave all in peace as being, I will no longer give advice to other posters as was requested of me for obvious reasons. That doesn't mean to say that I still don't need help with the PIP problem?

    Or do I take it that I should not post for myself either?
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 21st Mar 17, 2:33 PM
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    I think you have been offered every bit of pip advise by members on here that is available unless you want to keep repeating yourself yet again.
    • easy
    • By easy 21st Mar 17, 2:47 PM
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    Is it so wrong for people who have disabling conditions to want some form of recognition from the government with or without the financial compensation?
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    I don't suppose there is anything wrong with it, but nor do I see the point in "some form of recognition from the government", if you are not concerned about the financial compensation.

    If I didn't need the finance to help me get my motability car, believe me there is no way I would engage in all the form filling and so forth. I don't care a fig if the government doesn't know about me - so long as they actually count my vote when I cast one.

    TBH rockingbilly, if you really don't need the money I would guess that your mental health would be best served by you NOT putting yourself through the stress and anxiety of trying to claim. I'm NOT saying that to deny you anything, I'm NOT suggesting you are not worthy or entitled to PIP . But if making claims causes you so much upset and strain, then surely it isn't worth that?
    I'm sure that if I was your nearest and dearest I would be making that suggestion to you, along with saying that it doesn't matter what the government or anyone else knows or recognises about you. Those you love and who love you are the ones who matter.
    I try not to get too stressed out on the forum. I won't argue, i'll just leave a thread if you don't like what I say.
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