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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 11:44 PM
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    Calling time on PIP
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    • 12th Mar 17, 11:44 PM
    Calling time on PIP 12th Mar 17 at 11:44 PM
    To tell you the truth I have had it.
    What with the replies that I have been getting, and the opinions that I am facing an almost impossible task in turning over the PIP decision, and the lack of help from any outside welfare rights agency I am closing the book on the PIP claim. I just cannot cope with rejection - it is a personal thing.
    I've been told that I should not claim it if I don't need the money, it was my fault that CAB didn't get back to me in time, my fault that I didn't get a 14 day extension from the DWP when I was offered 7 days and worst still, it's my fault that I am ill which makes me irrational and unable to see things/deal with things.

    I just hope that nobody else has to try to cope with what has been thrown at me.
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    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 18th Mar 17, 11:46 AM
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    He hasn't got long Muttley. He's already two weeks in and he has got his AA application submitted. Unfortunately, his usual prevaricating has likely stymied any chance of getting help which he clearly needs

    I am pretty much inclined to the view that whatever is said on the MR will make little difference. He scored zero points and unless there is something on the PIP2 form which points to serious issues the fact that he signed the form having taken it home won't help

    And, of course, if he then puts in a coherent and cogent MR it would go against the "I didn't understand the form it's all the nasty DWP man's fault" argument

    I'd tend to the view that he does (depending on whether he has changed his mind again about giving up on PIP) an MR along the lines of what you have said and then seek advice on the appeal
    • bspm
    • By bspm 18th Mar 17, 12:01 PM
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    He hasn't got long Muttley. He's already two weeks in and he has got his AA application submitted. Unfortunately, his usual prevaricating has likely stymied any chance of getting help which he clearly needs

    I am pretty much inclined to the view that whatever is said on the MR will make little difference. He scored zero points and unless there is something on the PIP2 form which points to serious issues the fact that he signed the form having taken it home won't help

    And, of course, if he then puts in a coherent and cogent MR it would go against the "I didn't understand the form it's all the nasty DWP man's fault" argument

    I'd tend to the view that he does (depending on whether he has changed his mind again about giving up on PIP) an MR along the lines of what you have said and then[B][/B] seek advice on the appeal [
    Originally posted by NeilCr

    But PLEASE do not seek advice on here, I don't have enough hours in the day to decipher your differing stories.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 18th Mar 17, 12:42 PM
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    Well I think some of this has been covered already. Your DLA and ESA files you can probably assume they never bothered looking at... forget them unless there is evidence within those claims relevant to your PIP claim. You already have their explanation for their decision... it isn't sophisticated and never will be... they've gone through the activities and stated why they've awarded the descriptors they have...that is in effect their statement of reasons.
    Yes you are right. I have this weekend to get to grips with this. It's going to be bloody hard work having to fight my natural reaction to just give in to re-affirm that I am useless when it comes to having to detail and explain the difficulties I face day in day out. The evidence that was contained within the old ESA and DLA claims is part of what the DWP have copied for me so I should move on.

    Yes it sounds like they've looked at the PIP2 and determined you are not claiming to have significant problems sufficient to score regarding the descriptors. I would put in a reconsideration request stating that due to running out of time and failing to get appointment with x or y you approached z and they hastily completed the form which you had to send off swiftly. State you are now going to go into greater detail regarding your problems and explain why their decision is wrong and which descriptors apply. I figure it will be an up hill battle... supply any supporting evidence and refer to it in reconsideration letter... recommend perhaps that they carry out a face to face disability assessment (if they do not then it may play well with a tribunal in that you'll have little to contest 'from them'.. and if they do it'll offer you chance to get primary evidence you qualify for PIP)... and do it within the month you have. You've little to lose... they might not change decision but at least you'll have your facts and arguments on the table along with simple explanation for poor PIP2 submission... and then you will be able to appeal where anything could happen... most likely dependent on whether they feel you are credible and have evident disabilities.
    I will go through each one at a time. Still a bit confused. I understand that I can add to what was put on the form, but how do I go about disagreeing with some of the statements? just had a look at the medication one. It says that I don't have any problems with taking medication. I wish! This in itself is a long story with many problems. But as an example my wife has to control what I take and when (under GP instructions owing to previous problems re. overdosing through forgetting). One of my drugs is Morphine MST which is taken every 12 hours round the clock at 100mg at a time. Also she is in control of my insulin regime 24/7. She has to make sure that the right level is injected of the right type at the right time - day and night. If I am going to lay it all out for the DWP with the MR I am going to have to say that that section of the form is a complete lie.

    What is essential however.. I think you either put up or shut up... you need to take control of this claim or forget it... passing the buck of blame to others will not help you at all... and going gung-ho in attacking your PIP2 might backfire in suggesting you've signed your name to a document inclusive of false claims. You need to get off here... and get going with your reconsideration request... making it clear that you are requesting a mandatory reconsideration and blah blah blah.. then go through each of the activities you claim to have disablement sufficient to score points... detailing your problems etc. If you need any advice regarding interpreting the descriptors then there is various information out there including the DWP's handbook for DMs https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/547146/pip-assessment-guide.pdf

    Take a copy of whatever you send and ideally send it signed for or recorded delivery in order to have some documentary proof your request was sent in time. Contact them a day after they should have received it and ensure they got it.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog
    Thank you for that link. Yes I have got my 'determination' hat on and hope that I can carry it through for the rest of the weekend.
    This all reminds me of the very first DLA claim I made. I didn't go into any great detail primarily because I was under so much medication at the time and was attending the hospital Mental Health Day Service every day to feel safe. It came back - no DLA. When I happened to tell my CPN or was it my Social Worker? Anyhow they got in touch with the County Social Services office and I had a County Council Welfare Rights guy come to the hospital with a blank DLA form and he filled it in for me. That's when I was awarded High Care & Mobility only weeks after the DWP said that there was nothing wrong with me.
    After that I did my own re-assessment forms which were a nightmare having to try to fight the DWP on my own as I didn't ask for anymore help from Social Services. I went about 7 years with only low mobility until I got help in 2011 from the CAB and it went back up to High Mobility Middle Care. So you could say that my DLA awards went up and down like a yo yo depending on if I asked for help in filling out the forms.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 18th Mar 17, 12:49 PM
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    I believe the poster has already stated he has sent in a claim for AA, although this too might be a fabrication.
    Yes it went off.

    Totally agree with you, he really needs to stop blaming others for not filling in forms right to qualify for PIP, it is HIS form, he needs to tick the boxes that are applicable to him stating why he believes he qualifies and not supposedly say 'I told the Job Centre person this and he put that' so it is someone else's fault.
    I agree, but when you ask a so called expert to help you out, most people will rely on what that person does as being correct. In the past I have had help from the County Council Welfare Rights Officer and the CAB and afterwards the right awards were made on what they wrote on the forms.

    it is no ones fault but your own, they say PIP is more difficult to be given than DLA was, I believe DLA was just easier, hardly any checks and indefinite awards to lull people in to a false sense of getting money for nothing.

    Like has been said, put up or shut up, enough is enough.
    Originally posted by bspm
    Well I am doing something about it now, but I know that it is going to be hard whilst fighting my own instinct all the way to give up.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 18th Mar 17, 12:55 PM
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    But PLEASE do not seek advice on here, I don't have enough hours in the day to decipher your differing stories.
    Originally posted by bspm
    There are no 'differing stories' involved. I just don't tell it all - just bits.
    Now the whole thing is in front of me I know deep down that to do the right thing I have to be open about everything. I don't want to have to do that - it is too hard to cope with as well as shameful and embarrassing. But I will try my level best. That's all I can do.

    If you don't want to offer advice - I'm happy to go along with you on that, it's nothing less than what I deserve.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 18th Mar 17, 1:01 PM
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    On the PIP2 " It says that I don't have any problems with taking medication."
    If it says that then yes you need to disagree with it and explain the reality as you did above. (It is impossible from here to determine how your engagement with the jobcentre employee landed up with a false statement like this).There's no simple way to address a completely false statement that you have given barring saying something must've been lost in translation between you and the person who completed it for you and you lacked time and health to review it. You have dug your hole... only you can dig out of it.. but you must appreciate that helping someone who has sent a signed 'application form' that is false is somewhat of a difficult challenge to overcome... rather like stepping in to defend someone facing a potential murder charge after they've been interviewed by police where they gave a full admission and handed them the murder weapon. You're left to argue that they were not of sound mind when they made the admission or committed the crime. Perhaps blame your medication.

    The so-called expert that helped you probably was not expert at all. In the end the expert in this case is almost certainly you. It sounds like historically you have been getting lucky with the assistance you have had.. this perhaps lulled you into the false belief others could always successfully do your claims for you. Such a false belief you didn't even have the need to check their efforts before signing your name to agree with them.

    I don't know what difficulties the new AA application presents to pursuing this PIP claim... but if it all goes t*ts up just plead insanity and say that recently you thought you were a woman called Shirley, that Daleks were running the local takeaway and that your mobility scooter got sucked up by a spaceship when you were eating spaghetti hoops. That'd be my expert advice... it should keep you out of conventional jail.
    Last edited by Muttleythefrog; 18-03-2017 at 1:28 PM.
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    • bspm
    • By bspm 18th Mar 17, 1:39 PM
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    On the PIP2 "[COLOR=#ff0000]

    I don't know what difficulties the new AA application presents to pursuing this PIP claim... but if it all goes t*ts up just plead insanity and say that recently you thought you were a woman called Shirley, that Daleks were running the local takeaway and that your mobility scooter got sucked up by a spaceship when you were eating spaghetti hoops. That'd be my expert advice... it should keep you out of conventional jail.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog

    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 18th Mar 17, 2:20 PM
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    One of the many puzzling aspects of rockingbiily's story is that the jobcentre helped him complete his PIP form. I haven't come across staff in a job centres who would offer to do this. I would be interested to hear from any current / former JC employees who could comment on this.
    The DWP did have Financial Assessment & Benefits (FAB) Visiting Officers who would help with claiming benefits (mainly pension credit). A FAB officer would be trained write the form accurately, whereas a JC employee would not necessarily know the PIP criteria.

    There is no suggestion either on the gov uk site or other government publications that you are able to trot down to your nearest JC with the PIP2 form -
    https://www.gov.uk/pip/how-to-claim , and
    " Information about how to complete the form will be included and is also available online.
    Claimants may ask someone, such as a family member or a support organisation to help them complete the form. The PIP toolkit contains information to help support organisations help claimants."

    A PIP form would take a minimum of 2 hours to complete to a reasonable standard. I can't see an JC employee taking 2 hours out of a day filled with meetings with job seekers to complete a PIP form for a 67 year old.

    I'm also puzzled by why a 67 year old not claiming JSA or UC would be in a JC to begin with.


    There is an obvious disconnect between a prolific and articulate poster capable of answering / refuting other posters arguments, and his many and various statements that he couldn't understand the PIP2 form / didn't read it / didn't realise it was incorrect / too busy thinking about which £50k vehicle to buy next for his wife / was affected by medication / had been abducted by aliens / it was everyone else's fault / couldn't find a pen, etc, etc.
    Last edited by Alice Holt; 18-03-2017 at 3:30 PM.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 18th Mar 17, 4:34 PM
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    One of the many puzzling aspects of rockingbiily's story is that the jobcentre helped him complete his PIP form. I haven't come across staff in a job centres who would offer to do this.

    There is an obvious disconnect between a prolific and articulate poster capable of answering / refuting other posters arguments, and his many and various statements that he couldn't understand the PIP2 form / didn't read it / didn't realise it was incorrect / too busy thinking about which £50k vehicle to buy next for his wife / was affected by medication / had been abducted by aliens / it was everyone else's fault / couldn't find a pen, etc, etc.
    Originally posted by Alice Holt
    I've a funny feeling he walked into a PUB not a JCP... there's always someone at the bar able to help with these sorts of things and quite probably would spend 2 hours of their time giving that help if they continued to get 'watered'. Let's be honest.. someone who on medication by their own admission can think they have problems fitting a mobility scooter into a car when they've never had a mobility scooter.... is going to be perfectly capable of mistaking a pub for an office and an alcoholic for a Jobcentre employee (in fact they may be one and the same!)

    I agree with the analysis... there is a grave disconnect... psychologically incompatible. But then I guess there are all sorts out there. I used to run a pub and there was a young man who was intelligent and articulate and seemed very down to earth... good pool player too so made him captain of the team. But I got sick of the police visits to find him... if ever he found out there had been a fire in the city he'd contact police to confess to it...sometimes calling them from the pub. In the end I had to stop the TVs from showing the news.
    Last edited by Muttleythefrog; 18-03-2017 at 4:39 PM.
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    • venison
    • By venison 18th Mar 17, 4:37 PM
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    Thanks
    I believe that the reason for the PIP failure is entirely down to how the Jobcentre filled the form out for me. The evidence I have is excellent.
    So with a better completed application form surely they will look at the content and not refer back to the mess created by the JC?
    OK. My BB expires in September and as I don't drive anymore it really isn't a problem. My wife who does the driving has her own BB.
    As I have said, I'm not bothered what rate I am offered or where it comes from just as long as it covers the cost of the road tax.
    It would be acceptable to me for the government to acknowledge my disabilities by making such an award.
    I can't find any reference to the descriptors for Attendance Allowance - does anyone have any info please?
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Good to hear that Flo is alive and well and driving, i recall the time when she was killed off, miracles DO happen
    I am now a Board Guide on the Credit card board and the Loan board and Benefits board (But give me time to learn the ropes thanks).
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 18th Mar 17, 4:42 PM
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    Good to hear that Flo is alive and well and driving, i recall the time when she was killed off, miracles DO happen
    Originally posted by venison
    Well it just goes to show the value of DLA... people often think too narrowly of the sorts of things it can be spent on to improve the lives of disabled people. I admit myself I'd never thought of resurrection.
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    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 18th Mar 17, 6:20 PM
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    One of the many puzzling aspects of rockingbiily's story is that the jobcentre helped him complete his PIP form. I haven't come across staff in a job centres who would offer to do this. I would be interested to hear from any current / former JC employees who could comment on this.
    The DWP did have Financial Assessment & Benefits (FAB) Visiting Officers who would help with claiming benefits (mainly pension credit). A FAB officer would be trained write the form accurately, whereas a JC employee would not necessarily know the PIP criteria.

    There is no suggestion either on the gov uk site or other government publications that you are able to trot down to your nearest JC with the PIP2 form -
    https://www.gov.uk/pip/how-to-claim , and
    " Information about how to complete the form will be included and is also available online.
    Claimants may ask someone, such as a family member or a support organisation to help them complete the form. The PIP toolkit contains information to help support organisations help claimants."

    A PIP form would take a minimum of 2 hours to complete to a reasonable standard. I can't see an JC employee taking 2 hours out of a day filled with meetings with job seekers to complete a PIP form for a 67 year old.

    I'm also puzzled by why a 67 year old not claiming JSA or UC would be in a JC to begin with.


    There is an obvious disconnect between a prolific and articulate poster capable of answering / refuting other posters arguments, and his many and various statements that he couldn't understand the PIP2 form / didn't read it / didn't realise it was incorrect / too busy thinking about which £50k vehicle to buy next for his wife / was affected by medication / had been abducted by aliens / it was everyone else's fault / couldn't find a pen, etc, etc.
    Originally posted by Alice Holt
    Brilliant post Alice

    The only thing I could think of was that the JCP were being helpful because Rockingbilly had whined about having no-one to help and they designated someone as a scribe (not someone who had experience/training in completing PIP forms). I have heard of this - whether it is just an urban rumour who is to say

    Oh - and be prepared for Rockingbilly to say he has no idea how it happened. It just did - and it's not in any way at all his fault!
    Last edited by NeilCr; 18-03-2017 at 7:56 PM.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 18th Mar 17, 7:16 PM
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    Brilliant post Alice

    The only think I could think of was that the JCP were being helpful because Rockingbilly had whined about having no-one to help and they designated someone as a scribe (not someone who had experience/training in completing PIP forms). I have heard of this - whether it is just an urban rumour who is to say
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    If it isn't a rumour then one day Crimewatch UK is going to have a bizarre episode on distraction thefts by a conman masquerading as helping disabled people get their entitlements while an accomplice helps themselves to a mobility scooter. "This unsophisticated crime has left disabled people having to convince the DWP they're not a natural replacement for Lionel Messi"
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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 18th Mar 17, 8:27 PM
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    He hasn't got long Muttley. He's already two weeks in and he has got his AA application submitted. Unfortunately, his usual prevaricating has likely stymied any chance of getting help which he clearly needs

    I am pretty much inclined to the view that whatever is said on the MR will make little difference. He scored zero points and unless there is something on the PIP2 form which points to serious issues the fact that he signed the form having taken it home won't help

    And, of course, if he then puts in a coherent and cogent MR it would go against the "I didn't understand the form it's all the nasty DWP man's fault" argument

    I'd tend to the view that he does (depending on whether he has changed his mind again about giving up on PIP) an MR along the lines of what you have said and then seek advice on the appeal
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    No, I am going for it. I know that I am entitled to some level of PIP even going by the points not given for those sections that are completely false.
    It just shows that having someone help you may not be the best thing to do. Every time I have asked for help in the past, they did a far better job of explaining my problems than I could have done and because of that I was awarded DLA twice.
    It has been a let down to find that this time, I have been shafted.
    Without quoting chapter and verse. I have one report dated 2014 when tested for Dementia that clearly states that I have great difficulties in coping and understanding new information, and sequencing as well as showing a noticeable loss of functional & analytical skills.. I have memory loss which is confirmed with a diagnosis of Dementia caused either by vascular problems (most likely) or alcoholism (unlikely) which is being treated.
    I am not going to improve. Yet the assessor dismissed all of that evidence.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 18th Mar 17, 8:57 PM
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    On the PIP2 " It says that I don't have any problems with taking medication."
    If it says that then yes you need to disagree with it and explain the reality as you did above. (It is impossible from here to determine how your engagement with the jobcentre employee landed up with a false statement like this).There's no simple way to address a completely false statement that you have given barring saying something must've been lost in translation between you and the person who completed it for you and you lacked time and health to review it. You have dug your hole... only you can dig out of it.. but you must appreciate that helping someone who has sent a signed 'application form' that is false is somewhat of a difficult challenge to overcome... rather like stepping in to defend someone facing a potential murder charge after they've been interviewed by police where they gave a full admission and handed them the murder weapon. You're left to argue that they were not of sound mind when they made the admission or committed the crime. Perhaps blame your medication.
    OK, I agree it does sound ridiculous. But you have to understand that I takes things in a literal way (as in the walking explanation)
    Looking at the form question 5(a). I was asked if I needed an aid or appliance to take my medication - I replied NO my wife looks after that for me, should I have mentioned that I have equipment that measures my blood sugar level in order to calculate the correct level and type of insulin needed?
    5(b) I was asked if there was someone that was responsible for medicating me - NO. should I have explained that my wife has to remind, supervise, and control what drugs I need and when? Should I have said that she has to set up the injections for me as she doesn't trust me enough to do it the right way and in the right place in my body?
    5(c) simply says that I am able to medicate myself.


    The so-called expert that helped you probably was not expert at all. In the end the expert in this case is almost certainly you. It sounds like historically you have been getting lucky with the assistance you have had.. this perhaps lulled you into the false belief others could always successfully do your claims for you. Such a false belief you didn't even have the need to check their efforts before signing your name to agree with them.
    That's absolutely true. The twice that I have asked for help and received it resulted in no issues and an award that fitted in with the explanations given The first was a Welfare Rights Officer from the County Council brought on board by I think my Social Worker and the second was a qualified lady at the CAB. I never checked those two applications so just assumed that the third one would be the same.

    I don't know what difficulties the new AA application presents to pursuing this PIP claim... but if it all goes t*ts up just plead insanity and say that recently you thought you were a woman called Shirley, that Daleks were running the local takeaway and that your mobility scooter got sucked up by a spaceship when you were eating spaghetti hoops. That'd be my expert advice... it should keep you out of conventional jail.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog
    I like that excuse. But I doubt that I could keep a straight face if I told them.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 18th Mar 17, 10:21 PM
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    No, I am going for it. I know that I am entitled to some level of PIP even going by the points not given for those sections that are completely false.
    It just shows that having someone help you may not be the best thing to do. Every time I have asked for help in the past, they did a far better job of explaining my problems than I could have done and because of that I was awarded DLA twice.
    It has been a let down to find that this time, I have been shafted.
    Without quoting chapter and verse. I have one report dated 2014 when tested for Dementia that clearly states that I have great difficulties in coping and understanding new information, and sequencing as well as showing a noticeable loss of functional & analytical skills.. I have memory loss which is confirmed with a diagnosis of Dementia caused either by vascular problems (most likely) or alcoholism (unlikely) which is being treated.
    I am not going to improve. Yet the assessor dismissed all of that evidence.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    You completely confuse me. First you apply for PIP and get refused. Then you decide to go for the MR, after which you again decide no you've had enough and you're quiting. Then you ask about AA, so you then fill out a form gather some evidence and send the form off to DWP. So which is it going to be AA or go for the MR on PIP? Surely the AA application will cross out the PIP MR? i mean seriously make up your mind what it is you're doing!!

    So many people have adviced you and all you seem to do is twist everything and lie. One time i'm reading you don't and never had a mobility scooter, then i find myself seeing that you " couldn't fit it in your car" I've never known so many lies being told to be fair. If you have trouble convincing everyone here how on earth are you expected to get an award? Then again it wouldn't really matter because the only reason you're going for this is to give all your disability money away to your children....
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 19th Mar 17, 12:05 AM
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    One of the many puzzling aspects of rockingbiily's story is that the jobcentre helped him complete his PIP form. I haven't come across staff in a job centres who would offer to do this. I would be interested to hear from any current / former JC employees who could comment on this.
    The DWP did have Financial Assessment & Benefits (FAB) Visiting Officers who would help with claiming benefits (mainly pension credit). A FAB officer would be trained write the form accurately, whereas a JC employee would not necessarily know the PIP criteria.

    There is no suggestion either on the gov uk site or other government publications that you are able to trot down to your nearest JC with the PIP2 form -
    https://www.gov.uk/pip/how-to-claim , and
    " Information about how to complete the form will be included and is also available online.
    Claimants may ask someone, such as a family member or a support organisation to help them complete the form. The PIP toolkit contains information to help support organisations help claimants."

    A PIP form would take a minimum of 2 hours to complete to a reasonable standard. I can't see an JC employee taking 2 hours out of a day filled with meetings with job seekers to complete a PIP form for a 67 year old.

    I'm also puzzled by why a 67 year old not claiming JSA or UC would be in a JC to begin with.


    There is an obvious disconnect between a prolific and articulate poster capable of answering / refuting other posters arguments, and his many and various statements that he couldn't understand the PIP2 form / didn't read it / didn't realise it was incorrect / too busy thinking about which £50k vehicle to buy next for his wife / was affected by medication / had been abducted by aliens / it was everyone else's fault / couldn't find a pen, etc, etc.
    Originally posted by Alice Holt
    OK you need to know a bit more of how the events unfolded.
    It goes back to when I was forced to telephone to start the PIP off back in early January. I answered many questions and it eventually came to a question about if I was suffering from any of the following: Then she read out a list and I said which ones applied to me. At the end of the phone call she said something about could I fill out the PIP2 form that I will get. I said it's doubtful, did I know anybody that could help me - No, would I be able to see someone from a welfare rights organisation - no idea I haven't asked. Then she said that someone would be in touch with me to go through the PIP2 form at a later date OK I suppose

    That was it, I then received the PIP2 form and you know what happened next about not getting an appointment until the 17th February with Welfare Rights. The time for getting the form back was extended by one week from the 5th Feb to the 12th Feb, still 5 days short.
    Anyhow on the Friday.27th Jan I had a call from the Jobcentre to offer help to fill out the PIP2. Could I get down to the JC in town on Mon 30th Jan. I got there and for no more than an hour he asked questions and I gave him answers. I have no idea who or what he was but he did have a security card round his neck.
    I then went home and started to dig out some evidence which took me over a week to get it together. Stacks of letters from the hospital, DWP etc over a 6 year period!
    On the 9th Feb I sent it all off to the DWP and received confirmation that it was delivered the following morning.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 19th Mar 17, 12:19 AM
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    rockingbilly
    You completely confuse me. First you apply for PIP and get refused. Then you decide to go for the MR, after which you again decide no you've had enough and you're quiting. Then you ask about AA, so you then fill out a form gather some evidence and send the form off to DWP. So which is it going to be AA or go for the MR on PIP? Surely the AA application will cross out the PIP MR? i mean seriously make up your mind what it is you're doing!!

    So many people have adviced you and all you seem to do is twist everything and lie. One time i'm reading you don't and never had a mobility scooter, then i find myself seeing that you " couldn't fit it in your car" I've never known so many lies being told to be fair. If you have trouble convincing everyone here how on earth are you expected to get an award? Then again it wouldn't really matter because the only reason you're going for this is to give all your disability money away to your children....
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    I have decided to do a MR for the PIP claim. What the DWP do with the AA claim is up to them. I don't particularly care.
    I have NOT told any lies. I find it extremely difficult explaining everything in detail so I just give bits out. Repeat - I HAVE NEVER OWNED A MOBILITY SCOOTER!! I was THINKING about one but that was it.
    I don't have to convince anyone not even the DWP - that is their choice as to whether they believe me or not.
    And there is no law in this land that says what I do with the money. I could simply burn it, buy illegal drugs with it or even bet on the horses with it. I choose to give it to my children. If you have a problem with that pity you!
    Last edited by rockingbilly; 19-03-2017 at 12:23 AM.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 19th Mar 17, 1:44 AM
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    NeilCr
    Without quoting chapter and verse. I have one report dated 2014 when tested for Dementia that clearly states that I have great difficulties in coping and understanding new information, and sequencing as well as showing a noticeable loss of functional & analytical skills.. I have memory loss which is confirmed with a diagnosis of Dementia caused either by vascular problems (most likely) or alcoholism (unlikely) which is being treated.
    .
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    In which case can I strongly suggest that you don't give advice to anyone on any of the forums here. Given your confusion and memory loss you could easily lead someone astray. I am sure you wouldn't want that to happen
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 19th Mar 17, 7:00 AM
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    bigbulldog
    Christ he has dementia NOW what ever next a lost limbno not that as he would not be able to lift his Motability scooter onto the back seat of his prestige car.
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