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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 11:44 PM
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    Calling time on PIP
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    • 12th Mar 17, 11:44 PM
    Calling time on PIP 12th Mar 17 at 11:44 PM
    To tell you the truth I have had it.
    What with the replies that I have been getting, and the opinions that I am facing an almost impossible task in turning over the PIP decision, and the lack of help from any outside welfare rights agency I am closing the book on the PIP claim. I just cannot cope with rejection - it is a personal thing.
    I've been told that I should not claim it if I don't need the money, it was my fault that CAB didn't get back to me in time, my fault that I didn't get a 14 day extension from the DWP when I was offered 7 days and worst still, it's my fault that I am ill which makes me irrational and unable to see things/deal with things.

    I just hope that nobody else has to try to cope with what has been thrown at me.
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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 15th Mar 17, 3:47 PM
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    A £50k car.

    And you have the bloody nerve to try and blag pip and now AA.
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    If I am entitled to make a claim according to the Regulations, then it is right that I should make that claim (as per advice from AgeUK)
    How much capital we have, the type of car we own, what our annual income is or indeed how much equity we have in our home has no connection with either PIP or AA.
    Both of those benefits are not means tested.

    So yes, if I am entitled to claim I will do so and it is none of your business. And I forgot to mention that the car has a private number plate on it that signifies that it is my wife's car and she is driving it.
    Last edited by rockingbilly; 15-03-2017 at 5:09 PM.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 15th Mar 17, 3:53 PM
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    Bu we don't know what is on your PIP2... and neither do you unless you've got a copy recently supplied to you. For all I know you may have made a solid case for significant relevant disabilities in PIP2 that repeated at tribunal could be compelling without any contradictory evidence such as in the form of a face to face medical report (which we know does not exist). The assumption is the PIP2 is dreadful and the DWP have utilised it to deny you PIP... but that's not necessarily so.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog
    No, no copy in the post today.
    From what I have read about the assessing process, if a face to face assessment is decided that it isn't necessary it can only be for two reasons. The first is that an award can be made without a face to face assessment and the second is that if a claim made is so weak and clearly doesn't' warrant an award, no assessment needs to be carried out.

    I suspect that I fall in the latter category.
    I will then wait for the PIP2 to turn up and then make a final decision over the next course of action.
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 15th Mar 17, 4:41 PM
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    If I am entitled to make a claim according to the Regulations, then it is right that I should make that claim (as per advice from AgeUK)
    How much capital we have, the type of car we own, what our annual income is or indeed how much equity we have in our home has no connection with either PIP or AA.
    Both of those benefits are not means tested.

    So yes, if I am entitled to claim I will do so and it is none of your business.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    You make it everyone's business by the way you boast about what you have and not needing the benefit as you give it to your grand children.

    YOUR A FRAUD AND A BENEFIT SCROUNGER AND SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 15th Mar 17, 5:04 PM
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    You make it everyone's business by the way you boast about what you have and not needing the benefit as you give it to your grand children.

    YOUR A FRAUD AND A BENEFIT SCROUNGER AND SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    You know nothing about me other than the bits that I have allowed you to know. As for boasting, that's not true at all. I have worked all of my life for what we now have, even at times when I felt like giving up. Eventually, ill health took control after 45 years of constant work. Hence previous claims for ESA and DLA. Do you deny me the comforts of my past labours?
    As for not needing the DLA money. That's correct, but be assured there are many 1000's also in that position that see DLA as a bit more for the 'pot'.
    Unfortunately that is the system - the same amount is paid out for all - some need more some need less. Don't blame me - go and complain to the government that have decided that that is the way it is.

    Fraud is where someone illegally obtains something that they are not entitled to have. Am I a fraud - or to give it the correct title - 'fraudster'? Not unless you know more about me than I do.
    As for being a scrounger. Well how do you define that? Maybe I am but so long as the law allows me to make these claims then I will continue to be a scrounger.

    And ashamed? Why? What makes you think that I should be?
    The difference between me and others is that I don't care what people think or say about me.
    Should those that use the loopholes in the tax system be ashamed? Should those in the House of Lords who sign in and go home to get their £300 a day, should they be ashamed?
    Should ex MP's & Ministers who use the contacts that they had built up to further their ever increasing level of income by the backdoor, should they be ashamed?

    You have no idea what you are talking about.
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 15th Mar 17, 5:31 PM
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    Your a fraud and a benefit scrounger and should be ashamed of yourself.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 15th Mar 17, 5:51 PM
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    Your a fraud and a benefit scrounger and should be ashamed of yourself.
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    If you say so at the risk of repeating myself.
    • Ames
    • By Ames 15th Mar 17, 5:54 PM
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    I don't think he's a fraud or a scrounger, just a troll who keeps coming back with fantasies that wind everyone else up.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.

    Reading the alphabet in 2017. 18/100
    ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 15th Mar 17, 7:37 PM
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    I don't think he's a fraud or a scrounger, just a troll who keeps coming back with fantasies that wind everyone else up.
    Originally posted by Ames
    For a start I am not a troll. I may well be confused, angry, annoyed and unhappy with the system, but I do not wish to give the impression of trying to upset people - I just need help and advice that I can cope with doing.
    I have never 'come back from somewhere else.
    As for being a fantasist, I really wish I was. You have no idea of the amount of sleepless nights I have had in the past few months.
    But I do have to be honest and say that given what has happened to me, be it self inflicted or not, has left me drained and with a hope that others don't have the same problems.
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 15th Mar 17, 9:06 PM
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    All over money you don't need and would have given away...unlikely.
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 16th Mar 17, 8:46 AM
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    You have no idea of the amount of sleepless nights I have had in the past few months.
    But I do have to be honest and say that given what has happened to me, be it self inflicted or not, has left me drained and with a hope that others don't have the same problems.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Sleepless nights my !!!!.....

    You shop at M&S for your ready meals....

    You drive a 50k car.

    You want a blue badge so your 50k car does not get damaged.

    You want the government to fund your £500 Road fund license.

    As I said before....

    Scrounger and a fraudster .
    Last edited by bigbulldog; 16-03-2017 at 9:32 AM.
    • Ames
    • By Ames 16th Mar 17, 11:10 AM
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    Sleepless nights my !!!!.....

    You shop at M&S for your ready meals....

    You drive a 50k car.

    You want a blue badge so your 50k car does not get damaged.

    You want the government to fund your £500 Road fund license.

    As I said before....

    Scrounger and a fraudster .
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    You seem to believe anything he's said is true. He must be loving how you've been taken in by him.

    (Just one point though, at three for a tenner M&S ready meals are no more expensive than the supermarket mid to high range ones, and are much nicer. I think for people who have trouble cooking they're probably the best option out there.)
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.

    Reading the alphabet in 2017. 18/100
    ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
    • Shecar
    • By Shecar 16th Mar 17, 11:31 AM
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    Hmm, I've been on these forums for 24 hours - It is obvious that there is a high element of contentious posting - which is a shame, as Disability and the problems it throws up should never be a matter for other peoples perverted enjoyment

    • Tommo1980
    • By Tommo1980 16th Mar 17, 11:47 AM
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    It is unfortunate. This forum in particular is usually quite constructive.

    It is also a quieter one so much easier for one or two people to dominate the active threads. It will settle down when they get bored and move on.

    Tom
    Last edited by Tommo1980; 16-03-2017 at 11:53 AM.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 16th Mar 17, 11:48 AM
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    Sleepless nights my !!!!.....

    You shop at M&S for your ready meals....
    Yes and why not? I worked from age 16 to 61 without any period of unemployment, paid £1000's in NIC & tax as well as private/company pension schemes.
    You drive a 50k car.
    Definitely, we are entitled to do so

    You want a blue badge so your 50k car does not get damaged.
    Why not?

    You want the government to fund your £500 Road fund license.
    Why not? given what I have paid in over the years and in giving us some benefit/acceptance from the government owing to my disabilities
    As I said before....

    Scrounger and a fraudster .
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    Whatever. You would do the same if given half the chance.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 16th Mar 17, 11:51 AM
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    .

    (Just one point though, at three for a tenner M&S ready meals are no more expensive than the supermarket mid to high range ones, and are much nicer. I think for people who have trouble cooking they're probably the best option out there.)
    Originally posted by Ames
    Precisely, why get rubbish when for similar money you can get top quality.
    If people are happy buying a 'burger and fries' from a takeaway for £1 (as mentioned on TV last night), good luck to them.
    Last edited by rockingbilly; 16-03-2017 at 11:56 AM.
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 16th Mar 17, 12:29 PM
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    Me thinks rockingbilly and Shecar are the same person.

    Ames I'm not takin in by him I just find people like them get under my skin when there are more deservedly people have to go without and yes your right he is probably loving the attention.
    Last edited by bigbulldog; 16-03-2017 at 12:32 PM.
    • Shecar
    • By Shecar 16th Mar 17, 3:37 PM
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    Me thinks rockingbilly and Shecar are the same person.

    Ames I'm not takin in by him I just find people like them get under my skin when there are more deservedly people have to go without and yes your right he is probably loving the attention.
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    And that is what I was referring to - keyboard warrior - You 'think' incorrectly .........

    You disagree with my thoughts so make ignorant remarks ............. Unfortunately you are unable to discriminate between posters and lump them as one because they may 'think the same' - So by your way of thinking there must be two posters on here! - I don't think so!

    I have come over to this forum for insight into how others with adult children with special needs go forward - but unfortunately got caught up with the politics of DLA/PIP - and short sighted people who believe that because others work hard they should support other 'elements' - believe me, that's how some of you come across.

    For the legal issues brought about by PIP you might want to visit the other site I have used to enable me to complete my daughters migration paperwork. Benefits & Work - the forum on that site deals specifically with the legalities of the PIP process (as well as other benefits) The reason I used it - because I was unclear on how to fill out my daughters PIP form - the wording being completely ambiguous.

    So, although I can appreciate that my views may be somewhat likened to the poster you have accused me of being, I can assure you I am not - Any moderator to this forum will be able to check IP addresses and confirm that!

    As to the other comment above - We have gone without plenty ourselves, not least our home, buying our children Christmas presents from second hand shops, 1001 things to do with mince was my bible for years!

    I think you need to really take a good look at yourselves and wonder why you resent people that have worked hard to better themselves. I made mention of tax payers in another post, it seems it needs simplifying, so ........without the tax payers the only pots you would have to dip into would be kept under your beds!

    Forgive the vernacular but you have been extremely rude yourself!
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 18th Mar 17, 10:04 AM
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    Well the post came this morning and with it a large plastic package from the DWP. Inside was a copy of the PIP2 as well as copies of the evidence that I sent with it. Still no DLA or ESA files. Am I supposed to get a copy of the reasoning for the decision other than the letter they sent me?

    Not really had time to go through the form, but just from a quick glance I can't seem to find anything that is negative it appears to suggest that I don't have any difficulties doing anything..
    The middle pages part when reading a few sections gives the impression that it is all 'black & white'. Either I have no problems or I do. Some sections contradict others. Toilet for example it says that I have no problems getting off or on it and cleaning myself. Yet I sent them the original report from Social Services that they have installed a toilet frame and higher seat because of the problems that I was having - where are the points for having an aid?
    I presume by having the adaption this negates the difficulty. What it doesn't go on to say is that I still find it difficult to clean myself despite the aid. I told the guy all about that but he didn't put it in - he just seems to have made the shortest of comments in the box.
    I'll have a better read of it this afternoon to try and get a feel for the impression it would give a stranger reading it for the first time.

    Looks like the guy certainly cocked up my chances as I thought initially.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 18th Mar 17, 11:11 AM
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    Well the post came this morning and with it a large plastic package from the DWP. Inside was a copy of the PIP2 as well as copies of the evidence that I sent with it. Still no DLA or ESA files. Am I supposed to get a copy of the reasoning for the decision other than the letter they sent me?

    Not really had time to go through the form, but just from a quick glance I can't seem to find anything that is negative it appears to suggest that I don't have any difficulties doing anything..
    The middle pages part when reading a few sections gives the impression that it is all 'black & white'. Either I have no problems or I do. Some sections contradict others. Toilet for example it says that I have no problems getting off or on it and cleaning myself. Yet I sent them the original report from Social Services that they have installed a toilet frame and higher seat because of the problems that I was having - where are the points for having an aid?
    I presume by having the adaption this negates the difficulty. What it doesn't go on to say is that I still find it difficult to clean myself despite the aid. I told the guy all about that but he didn't put it in - he just seems to have made the shortest of comments in the box.
    I'll have a better read of it this afternoon to try and get a feel for the impression it would give a stranger reading it for the first time.

    Looks like the guy certainly cocked up my chances as I thought initially.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Well I think some of this has been covered already. Your DLA and ESA files you can probably assume they never bothered looking at... forget them unless there is evidence within those claims relevant to your PIP claim. You already have their explanation for their decision... it isn't sophisticated and never will be... they've gone through the activities and stated why they've awarded the descriptors they have...that is in effect their statement of reasons.

    Yes it sounds like they've looked at the PIP2 and determined you are not claiming to have significant problems sufficient to score regarding the descriptors. I would put in a reconsideration request stating that due to running out of time and failing to get appointment with x or y you approached z and they hastily completed the form which you had to send off swiftly. State you are now going to go into greater detail regarding your problems and explain why their decision is wrong and which descriptors apply. I figure it will be an up hill battle... supply any supporting evidence and refer to it in reconsideration letter... recommend perhaps that they carry out a face to face disability assessment (if they do not then it may play well with a tribunal in that you'll have little to contest 'from them'.. and if they do it'll offer you chance to get primary evidence you qualify for PIP)... and do it within the month you have. You've little to lose... they might not change decision but at least you'll have your facts and arguments on the table along with simple explanation for poor PIP2 submission... and then you will be able to appeal where anything could happen... most likely dependent on whether they feel you are credible and have evident disabilities.

    What is essential however.. I think you either put up or shut up... you need to take control of this claim or forget it... passing the buck of blame to others will not help you at all... and going gung-ho in attacking your PIP2 might backfire in suggesting you've signed your name to a document inclusive of false claims. You need to get off here... and get going with your reconsideration request... making it clear that you are requesting a mandatory reconsideration and blah blah blah.. then go through each of the activities you claim to have disablement sufficient to score points... detailing your problems etc. If you need any advice regarding interpreting the descriptors then there is various information out there including the DWP's handbook for DMs https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/547146/pip-assessment-guide.pdf

    Take a copy of whatever you send and ideally send it signed for or recorded delivery in order to have some documentary proof your request was sent in time. Contact them a day after they should have received it and ensure they got it.
    Last edited by Muttleythefrog; 18-03-2017 at 11:29 AM.
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    • bspm
    • By bspm 18th Mar 17, 11:39 AM
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    Well I think some of this has been covered already. Your DLA and ESA files you can probably assume they never bothered looking at... forget them unless there is evidence within those claims relevant to your PIP claim. You already have their explanation for their decision... it isn't sophisticated and never will be... they've gone through the activities and stated why they've awarded the descriptors they have...that is in effect their statement of reasons.

    Yes it sounds like they've looked at the PIP2 and determined you are not claiming to have significant problems sufficient to score regarding the descriptors. I would put in a reconsideration request stating that due to running out of time and failing to get appointment with x or y you approached z and they hastily completed the form which you had to send off swiftly. State you are now going to go into greater detail regarding your problems and explain why their decision is wrong and which descriptors apply. I figure it will be an up hill battle... supply any supporting evidence and refer to it in reconsideration letter... recommend perhaps that they carry out a face to face disability assessment (if they do not then it may play well with a tribunal in that you'll have little to contest 'from them'.. and if they do it'll offer you chance to get primary evidence you qualify for PIP)... and do it within the month you have. You've little to lose... they might not change decision but at least you'll have your facts and arguments on the table along with simple explanation for poor PIP2 submission... and then you will be able to appeal where anything could happen... most likely dependent on whether they feel you are credible and have evident disabilities.

    What is essential however.. I think you either put up or shut up... you need to take control of this claim or forget it... passing the buck of blame to others will not help you at all... and going gung-ho in attacking your PIP2 might backfire in suggesting you've signed your name to a document inclusive of false claims. You need to get off here... and get going with your reconsideration request... making it clear that you are requesting a mandatory reconsideration and blah blah blah.. then go through each of the activities you claim to have disablement sufficient to score points... detailing your problems etc. If you need any advice regarding interpreting the descriptors then there is various information out there including the DWP's handbook for DMs https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/547146/pip-assessment-guide.pdf

    Take a copy of whatever you send and ideally send it signed for or recorded delivery in order to have some documentary proof your request was sent in time. Contact them a day after they should have received it and ensure they got it.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog
    I believe the poster has already stated he has sent in a claim for AA, although this too might be a fabrication.

    Totally agree with you, he really needs to stop blaming others for not filling in forms right to qualify for PIP, it is HIS form, he needs to tick the boxes that are applicable to him stating why he believes he qualifies and not supposedly say 'I told the Job Centre person this and he put that' so it is someone else's fault.

    it is no ones fault but your own, they say PIP is more difficult to be given than DLA was, I believe DLA was just easier, hardly any checks and indefinite awards to lull people in to a false sense of getting money for nothing.

    Like has been said, put up or shut up, enough is enough.
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