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    • John Gray
    • By John Gray 12th Mar 17, 6:36 PM
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    Computer pricing is often based on a marketing group's assessment of where their machine fits in the scheme of currently available machines, and how much they think someone will pay for it. Often the price reduces when other models come out or whether lots of people have bought your model. Big stocks unsold means lower prices.

    To me, at first glance, the second looks better (i5 vs i3, 256 GB SSD vs. 128 GB SSD). And of course the second one is Gold!
    • were
    • By were 12th Mar 17, 7:16 PM
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    John Gray hit the mark.

    The second one (i5 cpu) is on a clearance sale and is an older version of cpu technology, on some benchmarks seem it slightly better too.

    That cpu is misleading because they are from different generations and seem to probably have the virtually same processing power as each other, but the i3 is an internal clock speed which is faster by 4% . there are some other bits too, and unsure about the i5 turbo feature.
    http://processors.specout.com/compare/1888-1971/Intel-Core-i5-6200U-vs-Intel-Core-i3-7100U
    http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/843/Intel_Core_i3_Mobile_i3-7100U_vs_Intel_Core_i5_Mobile_i5-6200U.html
    http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i3_7100u-654-vs-intel_core_i5_6200u-590

    New technology is often the way to go, but old tech has the extra goodies bigger memory, ssd and that i5 cpu could be put into turbo mode? The other question is how the rest of the hardware is interfaced to the chips, and there seems to be no bench marks online for this exact model of i3
    Last edited by were; 12-03-2017 at 9:31 PM.
    • Lieja
    • By Lieja 12th Mar 17, 8:44 PM
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    Thanks so much guys, that's really helpful

    I too was swayed by the gold, but then I realised the first one has a gold option too!

    I do think the bigger memory might be the winner, only problem is it's collection only from a store 20 miles away and I'm working all week... maybe laziness will actually win the argument.

    I'm hoping that for what I would use it for - streaming video, playing music, web browsing and word processing, either processor should be good?
    • were
    • By were 12th Mar 17, 10:08 PM
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    to be honest I would opt for the i5, but if i was to connect it up to a new flat panel tv that supported quad hd then i3 has 10 bit support.

    How about an ex-display version for £419, but no warranty http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Pavilion-15-au078sa-15-6-Laptop-Intel-Core-i5-6200U-RAM-8GB-256-GB-SSD-W10-/172565599401?hash=item282db614a9:g:gCAAAOSwWxNYvoW O

    Here is what hotdeals members say
    http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hp-pavilion-15-au078sa-15-6-laptop-i5-6200u-8gb-256gb-ssd-484-99-currys-2548229
    • Lieja
    • By Lieja 13th Mar 17, 7:05 AM
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    • 13th Mar 17, 7:05 AM
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    Fab thanks

    I hadn't really thought of connecting it to my TV! Part of what I want it for is to stream online content I can't access through my smart tv, so would it be possible to connect these and play through my tv? Or just the i3? Or have I totally misunderstood?
    • Steve251
    • By Steve251 13th Mar 17, 9:02 AM
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    Without a doubt go for the i5. Being a different generation processor wont matter as much as the difference between the i3 and the i5.
    • Lieja
    • By Lieja 13th Mar 17, 9:16 AM
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    • 13th Mar 17, 9:16 AM
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    I5 it is, thank you for your help guys
    • were
    • By were 13th Mar 17, 10:04 AM
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    Flat pannels support 8 bit via transfer via Hdmi, The better, much more expensive, top of the range, very new, some 4k hd TVs support 10 bits and at least hdmi 2.0. 10 bit data is four times the amount of 8 bit data.

    There is also 12 bit out there but not for the general consumer (yet? - get the public to buy into 10 bit, let the technology become cheaper, the in a few years announce 12 bit???). There is also an 8k standard out there but that is for commercial displays (at the moment)

    10 bits gives more colours as shown here (dated 2 years ago) http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/Editorial/Featured-Articles/Dont-Buy-That-UHD-TV-It-May-Go-Obsolete-Faster-Than-You-Think-97544.aspx

    There are people that will buy into the latest and greatest of TVs, however it is not the MSE way. Still the i3 could be for you, if you are one of these and will use it on a top spec pannel. For the rest of us, i5 is better.
    Last edited by were; 13-03-2017 at 10:07 AM.
    • were
    • By were 13th Mar 17, 10:37 AM
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    Hey just reading my ebuyer email. For today special is a very similar laptop to your i5, but in black for £399.99. Also the Curries prices seem to have risen.

    it is a HP 250 G5 i5 Laptop X0Q07ES
    http://www.ebuyer.com/762290-hp-250-g5-i5-laptop-x0q07es-x0q07es-abu
    • Lieja
    • By Lieja 13th Mar 17, 12:08 PM
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    That's great thank you! My tv is certainly not top of the range (Sainsbury's own range I believe) so i5 is better

    I do like the ebuyer one, although no disc drive which is one of my my 'must haves'.

    I reserved the i5 for collection so I hope they honour the price!
    Last edited by Lieja; 13-03-2017 at 2:11 PM.
    • were
    • By were 13th Mar 17, 12:44 PM
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    DVD drive - Why?

    If it is music, most people convert it into mp3 or some type of file. If it is a special cd/dvd many will burn an iso and use a cd emulator. Others convert the cd to usb. Films now stream or people convert them put the on their home streaming server or nas box.

    For £15-ish you can get an external usb dvd writer from ebay.

    Like many others like me have removed by cd drive and put a caddy in there that contains an extra hard disk. CD.s are going the same way as floppies.

    The i5 one was better than the i3, in most aspects except 10 bit video. The i5 extra cpu turbo mode is in reality will probably not be the noticeable compared to the i3 unless your are doing a long process.
    • Lieja
    • By Lieja 13th Mar 17, 1:38 PM
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    I know disc drives are almost obsolete and the guy in the shop yesterday looked at me like I was mad, but I like to be able to burn cds for my car and I would almost definitely lose an external one. I'm calling it vintage
    • were
    • By were 13th Mar 17, 3:32 PM
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    What about a new car radio like this mp3 one with bluetooth usb, aux, and sd scard for £14, leaving you with about £130 savings, if they sell you it as advertised. Just sync up the tunes with your mobile Even has a remote (must be for very big cars where you are unable to reach the dash? , and hands-free microphone built into the front of the radio.

    All that you have to go is get the right conversion harness and can push the thing back into the hole in your dash.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Car-Radio-Bluetooth-Stereo-Head-Unit-MP3-USB-SD-AUX-IN-FM-In-dash-Player-UK-1DIN-/252692245608?hash=item3ad5a1ac68:g:YRcAAOSwcLxYK9P 6
    Last edited by were; 13-03-2017 at 4:08 PM.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 13th Mar 17, 4:15 PM
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    What about a new car radio like this mp3 one with bluetooth usb, aux, and sd scard for £14, leaving you with about £130 savings, if they sell you it as advertised. Just sync up the tunes with your mobile Even has a remote (must be for very big cars where you are unable to reach the dash? , and hands-free microphone built into the front of the radio.

    All that you have to go is get the right conversion harness and can push the thing back into the hole in your dash.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Car-Radio-Bluetooth-Stereo-Head-Unit-MP3-USB-SD-AUX-IN-FM-In-dash-Player-UK-1DIN-/252692245608?hash=item3ad5a1ac68:g:YRcAAOSwcLxYK9P 6
    Originally posted by were
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    Have you posted this on the wrong thread?
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    • were
    • By were 13th Mar 17, 6:42 PM
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    Doam, thanks but not the wrong thread. Lieja want to pay £75 more for a laptop just because it can burn CDs for her car radio. This radio support bluetooth, sd cards and usb, and you can buy 128Gig usb for cheap which in some is a lot of music . Your post has made me realise I can no longer subtract Thanks though.
    Last edited by were; 13-03-2017 at 6:58 PM.
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