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    • another casualty
    • By another casualty 9th Mar 17, 9:53 PM
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    Potentially buying a flat that could need re wiring ..
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    • 9th Mar 17, 9:53 PM
    Potentially buying a flat that could need re wiring .. 9th Mar 17 at 9:53 PM
    Okay . Some of you may have seen my other post about boiler being located under the window in the small bedroom of a 2 bed flat .

    Now , the estate agent may be trying to pull the wool over my eyes and gloss over things . I was going to go tomorrow and view the flat and check that faulty electrics have been fixed .
    However, on the report the wires are coloured red and black .
    That seems to me that the flat will have to be re wired .
    I will be taking a local electrician when I can get one .

    The flat is nice , in the perfect location for me & I got it for ( their solicitor says) £20k off asking price because of electrics .

    The flat is a house conversion split into 4 flats .
    The conversion was done approx 2000.
    After recwiring , I'd have to get a plasterer in to clean up the mess.

    How much does recwiring cost in Dorset ? £4000?
    Do I have to get freeholders permission ? I'd be a leaseholder .

    One. Poster on my Othet thread advised me to walk away .
    I'm not sure , as price is good and it's where I wanna be.

    Your thoughts ?
    Thanks
    Last edited by another casualty; 09-03-2017 at 9:55 PM.
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    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 9th Mar 17, 9:57 PM
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    Black and red doesn't necessarily need rewiring. You just need a trusty electrician to run a full check on the electrics.

    I'd ask them to confirm it's safe by providing a certificate, rather than ask them to look for a rewire, if you see what I mean. You don't want to feed them the job but you do want to know where problems are.

    It would always be prudent to have the electrics checked in any property when you're purchasing it.
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    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 9th Mar 17, 10:14 PM
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    I'd ask them to confirm it's safe by providing a certificate...
    Originally posted by Doozergirl
    I don't mean to be pernickety but a certificate cannot be provided. A certificate is only for installation work which has been carried out. An Electrical Installation Condition Report is what is required. This does not actually certify anything - it merely provides a report on the condition of the installation within the remit of the agreed limitations upon that inspection and testing.

    It would always be prudent to have the electrics checked in any property when you're purchasing it.
    Originally posted by Doozergirl
    Agreed. I would also ensure that the contractor is an NICEIC Approved Contractor.
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    • By another casualty 9th Mar 17, 10:51 PM
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    Thanks folks
    I'm doing sensible things for s change . The Dodgy position of the gas boiler has been checked , and passed.
    Now I'm getting electrician in to check electrics .

    That's the thing with older properties. You always have to keep your eye out for things .
    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 10th Mar 17, 12:07 AM
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    • 10th Mar 17, 12:07 AM
    Black and red doesn't necessarily need rewiring.
    Originally posted by Doozergirl
    Brown/Blue wiring was introduced in 2004, and Red/Black was permitted up until 2006. If the earth wire is solid green as apposed to green/yellow, then this would date the installation to pre 1977.

    In all likely hood, the flats were rewired when the conversion took place, so probably doesn't require a rewire.

    One thing to look for though - Check to see if the consumer unit uses circuit breakers (MCBs) or fuses - If it is fuses, they can be very expensive to replace when they blow and you don't really want a fuse for a shower circuit.
    Last edited by FreeBear; 10-03-2017 at 12:11 AM.
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    • By another casualty 10th Mar 17, 1:11 AM
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    Thanks again
    Consumer unit is plastic
    It is tnc-s

    Your thoughts ?
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    • By dsdhall 10th Mar 17, 1:28 AM
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    Thanks again
    Consumer unit is plastic
    Originally posted by another casualty
    Plastic consumer units were normal on installations right up until, er, last year.

    It is tnc-s
    Originally posted by another casualty
    One of the common standard earthing methods.
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    • By another casualty 10th Mar 17, 1:41 AM
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    Thanks . Maybe not as bad .
    I hope it's not fuses and fuse wire . I'll find that out later on today.
    Can't see anything on docs .
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    • By another casualty 10th Mar 17, 9:04 AM
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    • 10th Mar 17, 9:04 AM
    After a horrendous night of little / no sleep, my mobile is ringing while being charged On the other sided of the room . Nearly broke my neck.
    Talk about getting,out of bed the wrong side..

    So, it's the electrician I left an email with last night .

    The conclusion is : because the wires are covered in p v c the flat does not need re wiring .

    Thanks
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 10th Mar 17, 5:00 PM
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    If it is fuses, they can be very expensive to replace when they blow and you don't really want a fuse for a shower circuit.
    Originally posted by FreeBear
    Cartridge fuses or fuse wire are certainly not expensive to replace. Also, why would you not want a fuse for a shower circuit? So long as it is RCD protected there is absolutely no problem with fuses providing the overcurrent protection.
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 10th Mar 17, 5:02 PM
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    The conclusion is : because the wires are covered in p v c the flat does not need re wiring .
    Originally posted by another casualty
    Forgive me for stating this, but it doesn't sound like you had an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR) commissioned. The installation would need to be looked into in a lot more detail, including detailed inspections and also supplemented by electrical testing to ascertain the condition of the wiring. Certainly you wouldn't just assume that it is fine because it's PVC - it may or may not be OK.
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    • By another casualty 10th Mar 17, 6:23 PM
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    Forgive me for stating this, but it doesn't sound like you had an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR) commissioned. The installation would need to be looked into in a lot more detail, including detailed inspections and also supplemented by electrical testing to ascertain the condition of the wiring. Certainly you wouldn't just assume that it is fine because it's PVC - it may or may not be OK.
    Originally posted by Risteard
    Thanks risteard
    I'd better explain things more fully.
    The seller had a list of electric faults ,and got an electrician in.
    Obviously , when she put the flat up for sale she had to get her act together and she got the same electrician back in on Tuesday 07 march.
    I'll describe things like this , from the certificate I have :
    ' minor domestic electrical installation works cerificate ':
    'Rectified fault on lighting circuit ( bathroom ,hall,bedrooms),replaced
    down lights for LED fire rated fittings and transferred to RCD protected side of consumer unit .'

    Notes: 'The work this certificate covers corrects code2 defects highlighted in the electrical installation condition report(EICR certificate no: (01403418) carried out on the 25/10 16.
    The electrical installation is satisfactory and safe for continued use.'

    The flat is a good price , because of electrical,issues and various other issues which now have been rectified. The seller has supplied lots of paraphernalia regarding the completion of jobs etc



    Your thoughts ?
    • TheCyclingProgrammer
    • By TheCyclingProgrammer 10th Mar 17, 6:44 PM
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    Can you ask the seller for a copy of that EICR?
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    • By another casualty 10th Mar 17, 6:47 PM
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    Can you ask the seller for a copy of that EICR?
    Originally posted by TheCyclingProgrammer
    I have the certificate that I mentioned earlier with me now.
    Is that the one ?
    • Wassa123
    • By Wassa123 11th Mar 17, 2:17 PM
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    How old is this flat?

    My house was built in ~03/04 and the red/black coloured wires were used. Only a few months later did change to brown/blue so effectively the wiring isn't up to wiring standards.

    !!!!!! me if i'm hiring someone to rewire it all just for a different colour!
    • firefox1956
    • By firefox1956 11th Mar 17, 2:22 PM
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    OP
    Get it bought instead of faffing about !!
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    • By another casualty 11th Mar 17, 2:25 PM
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    OP
    Get it bought instead of faffing about !!
    Originally posted by firefox1956
    I have !
    Thanks . There were issues here and there, as the flat is old.
    You're right . I pulled my finger out, and I think completion will be end
    of month
    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 11th Mar 17, 4:02 PM
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    My house was built in ~03/04 and the red/black coloured wires were used. Only a few months later did change to brown/blue so effectively the wiring isn't up to wiring standards.
    Originally posted by Wassa123
    The old red/black was still used up until around 2006, so what ever you had back then was compliant with the regs in force at that time. As long as it is safe now (even if it doesn't comply with latest regs), there is no need to rewire.

    I pulled my finger out, and I think completion will be end of month
    Originally posted by another casualty
    <gulp>

    A flat warming party coming up ?
    Last edited by FreeBear; 11-03-2017 at 4:04 PM.
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    • By another casualty 11th Mar 17, 4:27 PM
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    The old red/black was still used up until around 2006, so what ever you had back then was compliant with the regs in force at that time. As long as it is safe now (even if it doesn't comply with latest regs), there is no need to rewire.



    <gulp>

    A flat warming party coming up ?
    Originally posted by FreeBear
    Thank you free bear ( and cats) yes paaarty
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    • By frugalmacdugal 12th Mar 17, 6:15 AM
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    Hi,

    Thank you free bear ( and cats) yes paaarty
    Originally posted by another casualty
    och, thought it was going to be free beer,
    Y'all take care now.
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