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    • anamenottaken
    • By anamenottaken 9th Mar 17, 9:52 AM
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    Night Working in the NHS - Health Assessments
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    Night Working in the NHS - Health Assessments 9th Mar 17 at 9:52 AM
    Anyone here know whether the NHS offers health assessments to its staff who regularly (or permanently) work night shifts?

    I thought this was a requirement for all employers to offer but am hearing that it does not happen.
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    • Andy L
    • By Andy L 9th Mar 17, 10:36 AM
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    It's a requirement, but the assessment can just be a tick box questionnaire rather than a medical

    https://www.gov.uk/night-working-hours/health-assessments
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    It's a requirement, but the assessment can just be a tick box questionnaire rather than a medical

    https://www.gov.uk/night-working-hours/health-assessments
    Originally posted by Andy L

    Even when it is just a tick box questionnaire it is supposed to be looked at by a qualified medical person (whatever that means) and the employer is supposed to be keeping records of making the offer and regularly repeating the offer even when staff decline it.

    I am hearing it is not even offered - or night staff are so tired they don't realise it has been offered.

    I've asked at my place of work (I'm not a night worker myself but concerned that the organisation should behave in line with the law!) but been roundly told I don't know what I'm talking about.
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    I've asked at my place of work (I'm not a night worker myself but concerned that the organisation should behave in line with the law!) but been roundly told I don't know what I'm talking about.
    Originally posted by anamenottaken

    Are you saying that your NHS employing trust doesn't offer this when it should? I'd ask your union.
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    • By GlasweJen 9th Mar 17, 1:55 PM
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    I know I had one because theoretically I'm on call for something like 8 nights a year. It was a paper questionnaire in the new employee paperwork along with PVG forms and the like and it said at the bottom that it would be reviewed by the occupational health team, it also asked if I would allow my employer access to my medical records if anything flagged on the questionnaire.
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    Anyone here know whether the NHS offers health assessments to its staff who regularly (or permanently) work night shifts?

    I thought this was a requirement for all employers to offer but am hearing that it does not happen.
    Originally posted by anamenottaken
    We were talking about this on nights last week , not one person i work with has ever been offered a health check ive worked there 34 years and never had one, others around the same and newer starters have not been offered it, We spoke to the ward matron who had never heard of it so we looked at the policy and its supposed to be offered before starting any night work so they have a baseline to work from oh well 34 years too late,!!: im struggling alot at the moment because since e-rostering we do a mix of early lates and nights all mixed up in the same week it takes its toll on your health.
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    Are you saying that your NHS employing trust doesn't offer this when it should? I'd ask your union.
    Originally posted by Manxman in exile
    No. I don't now work in the NHS but in an organisation which employs former NHS staff, including the leadership who seem to have the view that if they don't have experience of these health assessments being offered then clearly I am wrong suggesting that the law requires them to do so.

    I shall leave it for a short while to give them a chance to think of checking for themselves, perhaps ask their preferred HR consultant and let them come up with the idea themselves.
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    We were talking about this on nights last week , not one person i work with has ever been offered a health check ive worked there 34 years and never had one, others around the same and newer starters have not been offered it, We spoke to the ward matron who had never heard of it so we looked at the policy and its supposed to be offered before starting any night work so they have a baseline to work from oh well 34 years too late,!!: im struggling alot at the moment because since e-rostering we do a mix of early lates and nights all mixed up in the same week it takes its toll on your health.
    Originally posted by Art Deco
    At least you have a policy on it!
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    I know I had one because theoretically I'm on call for something like 8 nights a year. It was a paper questionnaire in the new employee paperwork along with PVG forms and the like and it said at the bottom that it would be reviewed by the occupational health team, it also asked if I would allow my employer access to my medical records if anything flagged on the questionnaire.
    Originally posted by GlasweJen
    That's really interesting as I think that goes beyond what is required by law as you are not regularly engaged in night working.
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    • By Art Deco 9th Mar 17, 10:12 PM
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    At least you have a policy on it!
    Originally posted by anamenottaken
    Yes we have a policy on just about everything, but its finding time to get on the computers at work to find them Ive just clicked on the link and it is before starting night work , think i might bring it up again tomorrow and ask why we werent offered it.
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    • By GlasweJen 10th Mar 17, 6:21 PM
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    That's really interesting as I think that goes beyond what is required by law as you are not regularly engaged in night working.
    Originally posted by anamenottaken
    Judging by the pack of paperwork it's given to everyone who starts, I can't remember if I got one in my first new start pack but if it hadn't asked for medical record disclosure I would have filled it in and returned it without thinking about it.
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    • Greylocks
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    No assessements over here either - despite 20 years of night work in NHS.
    And also despite recommending in writing there should be assessments and referencing it to HSE documents.
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