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    • cashbackproblems
    • By cashbackproblems 6th Mar 17, 8:42 PM
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    Offer accepted changing gas warm air to radiators?
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    • 6th Mar 17, 8:42 PM
    Offer accepted changing gas warm air to radiators? 6th Mar 17 at 8:42 PM
    Hi all

    I have just had an offer accepted of 330k on a 2 bed flat in south east, it was listed for 350k so not a bad deal considering how much surrounding flats go for

    The flat has warm air gas heating which i really dont like so offered slightly less and needs redecorating (nothing major). The vendor said he got a quote to change to combi boiler/radiators 6 months back and quoted 5-6k..my offer was on the condition there are no nasty surprises re cost of changing and i hope to get british gas to quote me this saturday. Is 6k a realistic quote??

    Also the windows in the block along one of the stairs are abit mouldy is it something the management company will replace? Othrrwise the block is old but looks well maintained.

    Also when u hire decorators to do painting, changing doors and floors, do they buy the materials flooring etc for u as i dont drive? Where is best to buy flooring/skirting/doors homebase/ikea etc or online?

    Thanks
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    • Keezing
    • By Keezing 6th Mar 17, 8:53 PM
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    Personally I think that quote is a little bit on the high side, but others may correct me. If you go with British Gas you will get a mediocre installer at twice the price. See if you can find a recommended local gas safe heating engineer.

    Decent Combi Boiler - £1400
    6 Radiators - £800
    Pipes/Fittings etc - £150
    3 days Gas Safe Heating Engineer - £750
    Total: £3100

    If you want designer radiators £4k total maybe. Hard to get to £6k unless you use British Gas.

    You'll probably need to notify building control as it's a new gas boiler install (I assume you do have mains gas going into the flat?), but I'm not an expert. Make sure you ask the installer about this.
    Last edited by Keezing; 06-03-2017 at 8:56 PM.
    • tom9980
    • By tom9980 6th Mar 17, 9:20 PM
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    You will be wasting your time getting British gas to even quote, get local recommendations and get it installed during the quiet, warm summer months.
    “In order to change, we must be sick and tired of being sick and tired.”
    • ComicGeek
    • By ComicGeek 6th Mar 17, 10:11 PM
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    • 6th Mar 17, 10:11 PM
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    • 6th Mar 17, 10:11 PM
    i hope to get british gas to quote me this saturday.
    Originally posted by cashbackproblems

    British Gas??

    If someone tried to negotiate with me based on a British Gas quotation there's no way that I would take them seriously. But a lot of people still wrongly use them as the gold plated benchmark of UK engineering despite all of the evidence to the contrary - trying to convince my retired neighbours to stop paying their huge monthly subscriptions for absolutely nothing is nigh on impossible!

    Get a couple of local installers to quote instead - personally, I think for a full system install in the South-East you will be looking at about £5k, as there's a lot of pipework to install, potentially including hot and cold water pipework depending on what you will be replacing.

    And how are they going to install the pipework around the flat? Are there ceiling/floor voids? Surface fixed pipework? Boxings for pipework? All this increases time and costs.
    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 6th Mar 17, 10:49 PM
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    I suggest you live with the warm air for one winter before you change it (unless you have actual experience of it from elsewhere). I find it much preferable to the ridiculous, clunky and space robbing idea of circulating warm water round a house.
    • Silvine
    • By Silvine 6th Mar 17, 11:02 PM
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    • 6th Mar 17, 11:02 PM
    Just literally did this in my 3 bed house last week. Cost approx £3300, completed by Contractor found on checkatrade.
    • TBagpuss
    • By TBagpuss 7th Mar 17, 9:25 AM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 9:25 AM
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    • 7th Mar 17, 9:25 AM
    As others have said, Brituish Gas tend to be very expensive so iof they wquote you £6K it's likely that you can get a good job done by an independent fitter for less than that. Cost will vary a bit depending on whaere you want the boiler and pipes.

    i would agree that it may be worth waiting a little to see how you feel about the curent heating system before you change it.

    In terms of workers and materials - most can and will supply materials and may well be able to do so for less than you would pay buying direct. Where you buy from depends on what you want.

    When I have new skirting boards fitted my builder just showed me pictures of the diferent styles, I picked on andthey did the rest. Same with the decorators. I got tester pots and chose the colours I wanted, they then got the paint mixed - I think it was 'Dulux Trade' .

    Obviously if you prefer to buy your own then you can do that, and if you are having new doors or a fittd kitchen you may want to. You'd need to speak with the tradespeople concerned as to whether they are willing to buy/collect your chosen style. if not, there are lots of 'man with a van' services. (And IKEA will deliver, for a price)
    • obay
    • By obay 7th Mar 17, 9:29 AM
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    We got a new combi bolier from BG, we got quoted £2750 for all the work to be carried out, we went with it and put it on £42/mo finance....

    We had 1 new rad, this install included a complete cleanse of the system, new tempostat as well.
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    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 7th Mar 17, 10:20 AM
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    I suggest you live with the warm air for one winter before you change it (unless you have actual experience of it from elsewhere). I find it much preferable to the ridiculous, clunky and space robbing idea of circulating warm water round a house.
    Originally posted by AnotherJoe
    I guess it depends on personal circumstances. Mrs DoaM is asthmatic so when we were first looking at houses, any with ducted air heating were out of the question - it really affected her.
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    • rtho782
    • By rtho782 7th Mar 17, 12:17 PM
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    Consider a multi split air source heat pump.

    Means you get aircon too, and just as cheap (or cheaper) to run than gas.
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    • r2015
    • By r2015 7th Mar 17, 12:27 PM
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    I changed my warm air heating to radiators and it cost just over £6000.


    I am now using 5-6,000 kWh less gas a year.


    2 years ago I used 18,000 kWh of gas in the year with the warm air, it has been up to 23,000 kWh, this year I used 13,000 kWh of gas.
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    • tom9980
    • By tom9980 7th Mar 17, 12:56 PM
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    We got a new combi bolier from BG, we got quoted £2750 for all the work to be carried out, we went with it and put it on £42/mo finance....

    We had 1 new rad, this install included a complete cleanse of the system, new tempostat as well.
    Originally posted by obay
    Combi boilers cost £800-1200
    New Rad £30-50
    Thermostats are £50-100
    Power Flush £300-500
    +Labour for a day

    While you were not robbed blind, i would have expected a local guy to price the job at £2k
    “In order to change, we must be sick and tired of being sick and tired.”
    • AlexMac
    • By AlexMac 7th Mar 17, 2:17 PM
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    You have several good replies about the CH, so as regards your other two points:
    ... the windows in the block along one of the stairs are abit mouldy is it something the management company will replace? Othrrwise the block is old but looks well maintained.
    Originally posted by cashbackproblems
    A bit of mould (if you mean the black stuff which thrives in the dirty damp internal bits of frames) is absolutely minor. As any repair costs will be immediately recharged back to you by the freeholder (as is no doubt spelled out in your lease), your fellow leaseholder neighbours won't be happy if you ask for expensive fixes to trivial problems. If the freeholder or managing agent isn't cleaning the window frames, get a pair of marigolds and some bleach. But be safe in case the freeholder sues for blood on the floor if you fall!

    Also when u hire decorators to do painting, changing doors and floors, do they buy the materials flooring etc for u as i dont drive? Where is best to buy flooring/skirting/doors homebase/ikea etc or online?
    Thanks
    Originally posted by cashbackproblems
    Any decent trader will quote inclusive of materials and to clean up and cart away any debris. They'll have trade cards for a discount , which they can get even at places which are open to the public like B&Q. Put another way, if someone says they want you to buy materials, they saound a bit amateur and will probably want to exploit your (rather obvious) inexperience by charging a day rate; get a fixed price including materials.

    I am perfectly happy with B&Q laminate flooring (with or without my B&Q "Tradepoint" card- as often they do promotions on flooring) although they are not so good on doors; be clear waht yu ant; there is an amazingly diverse range of doors, from horrid cheap pressed hardboard ones with fake embossed graining and simulated victorian six-panels, to fine rustic oak oneslike some I bought for under £100 each from a specialist. Try google images then ask your carpenter.

    In fact, if you fancy a bit of DIY- laminate is really easy to fit!
    • cashbackproblems
    • By cashbackproblems 13th Mar 17, 11:13 AM
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    thanks for all the replies I have found a few local contractors on check a trader so will be getting quotes once I have the keys, glad to hear it may not be as much as 6k. I definitely will be changing as the vents look so ugly.


    But its a leasehold flat, for a combi boiler do you not need a flue? Or is there another way around it? Currently the warm air heating is in the kitchen with no hole in the wall (being leasehold I would not be allowed to drill into the exterior). But im hoping there is another way/vent?


    When you search for decorators on checkatrader, would a decorator i.e. painter also do things like changing doors/skirting boards/floor or would they need to find someone else?


    Also I have a small glass partition from the hallway to living room, would it be costly to change this to plasterboard?


    thanks
    • AndyTails
    • By AndyTails 13th Mar 17, 2:15 PM
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    When you search for decorators on checkatrader, would a decorator i.e. painter also do things like changing doors/skirting boards/floor or would they need to find someone else?
    Originally posted by cashbackproblems

    Changing a door - carpenter.
    Changing skirting - depends on the decorator. A carpenter would do it.
    Changing a floor - Are you talking changing/fixing floorboards? - probably a carpenter. Replacing laminate flooring? - probably a decorator, though I doubt all would do it. Replacing tiled flooring? - then you'd want a tiler.


    Also I have a small glass partition from the hallway to living room, would it be costly to change this to plasterboard?
    Originally posted by cashbackproblems

    Probably not (though your opinion of "costly" might differ from mine). Probably no more than £200.


    Everything you've mentioned is within the realm of a competent DIYer (though changing a door and tiling are toward the higher ability DIYer). If you / your family / close friends aren't confident / competent, you may be able to find a local handyman who I expect would be cheaper than the specific trades.
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 13th Mar 17, 2:25 PM
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    I don't know if it's been mentioned in previous posts but you may need your freeholder's permission to change your heating system. So check your lease before you do anything.
    • bouicca21
    • By bouicca21 13th Mar 17, 3:25 PM
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    My flat was built with warm air heating which the previous owner ripped out in favour of rads. I'd second living with it for a while - in practical terms it may be ok (and such systems are common in North America where they niftily turn into air con in the summer) plus you need to live in a place to be able to identify the best places for the rads. Mine are in the wrong places ...
    • cashbackproblems
    • By cashbackproblems 13th Mar 17, 4:49 PM
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    ok so the vendor sent me the quote he received recently, but didn't go ahead with it as he decided to sell the place instead. The quote mentions placing the boiler in the bedroom which I am not happy about due to the noise/space issue. WIll there be another way around it??..i have emailed the fitter to see why the bedroom was suggested..


    To remove existing warm air boiler from site. Drain down and remove hot and cold water


    tanks and all redundant pipework from airing cupboard and remove from site


    Supply and fit Worcester Bosch 25i Greenstar combination boiler in bedroom cupboard


    Supply and fit 4 radiators complete with thermostatic radiator valves. Supply and fit


    Worcester Bosch magnetic filter and limescale filter for boiler protection


    Supply and fit new timer and room thermostat. Install new 22mm copper gas pipe to boiler.


    Install new 22mm and 15mm pipework to new heating services


    Install new hot and cold water services from boiler and connect onto existing supplies


    Test and certify work. Issue 8 year parts and labour warranty on boiler


    Labour and materials £4,800.00
    VAT £960.00
    Total £5,760.00


    • AlexMac
    • By AlexMac 13th Mar 17, 5:21 PM
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    Don't over-think or over-complicate this. Find a small general builder to do the lot or or a ,multiskilled trader with contacts to deal in decorators, flooring fitters, plasterers or carpenters as required rather than tying yourself in knots tryng to project manage what is a reallly simple set of jobs (or worse, telling 'em how to do their job!).

    And if you do choose to ignore the advice above to live with the exitsing heating for a bit...

    Rather than asking why that ( particularly expensive) Gas Safe engineer chose the bedroom as preferred site for the boiler, ask the next three companies who quote to suggest a location; most will assume a boiler goes in the kitchen.

    You might theoretically need freeholder permission for the plumber to take a 10cm flue out through an external wall, but in practice almost no-one ever bothers to ask. I've had boilers fitted in five of the leasehold flats I've owned and it never occurred to me to ask the freeholders; none of whom noticed or cared. Have a look at other flats in the block in case any of them have a flue sticking out of the wall?

    Good luck
    • cashbackproblems
    • By cashbackproblems 13th Mar 17, 7:58 PM
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    Don't over-think or over-complicate this. Find a small general builder to do the lot or or a ,multiskilled trader with contacts to deal in decorators, flooring fitters, plasterers or carpenters as required rather than tying yourself in knots tryng to project manage what is a reallly simple set of jobs (or worse, telling 'em how to do their job!).

    And if you do choose to ignore the advice above to live with the exitsing heating for a bit...

    Rather than asking why that ( particularly expensive) Gas Safe engineer chose the bedroom as preferred site for the boiler, ask the next three companies who quote to suggest a location; most will assume a boiler goes in the kitchen.

    You might theoretically need freeholder permission for the plumber to take a 10cm flue out through an external wall, but in practice almost no-one ever bothers to ask. I've had boilers fitted in five of the leasehold flats I've owned and it never occurred to me to ask the freeholders; none of whom noticed or cared. Have a look at other flats in the block in case any of them have a flue sticking out of the wall?

    Good luck
    Originally posted by AlexMac
    thanks, i will get another quote and hope there is a way to fit it in the kitchen rather than bedroom as there is a slim wall which leads to the exterior just by the kitchen window, i spoke to the guy who quoted and said they did look but the bedroom seemed the easiest to fit, the landlord wasnt living there so probably wanted the easiest option. Worse case it gets fitted to the spare bedroom with a box cover to keep noise down. I agree about bothering about freeholder permission

    i will find a small handman as you said its not really a "project" just decoration and basic diy. But i have to ignore the advice about keeping the warm air, as i really dont like the look of it!
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