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    • t45
    • By t45 3rd Mar 17, 1:24 PM
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    Preparing walls for skim plastering
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    Preparing walls for skim plastering 3rd Mar 17 at 1:24 PM
    Preparing my walls and ceiling for skim plastering - currently using wallpaper steamer but unable to scrape off some bits on ceiling, chimney wall and also a chipboard. please see pictures. The ceiling is particularly stubborn as is the chimney wall and there are bits on plasterboard/fake wall that it proving tough to remove. Im scraping night and day and it's very tiring g- does anyone know of anything else I could use to remove the stubborn bits - perhaps a solution? Thank you! Pics below
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    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 3rd Mar 17, 2:12 PM
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    Still no photo....

    X-Tex is good for getting Artex off a ceiling - It also works a treat on pain, but it does need time to soak in. For real stubborn lumps of "stuff", an electric sander with a coarse abrasive usually shifts it. Just make sure you wear a decent dust mask...


    Here's one that is dirt cheap - http://www.screwfix.com/p/energer-enb623sdr-sheet-sander-230-240v/3348g
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    • t45
    • By t45 3rd Mar 17, 2:23 PM
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    Thank you so much – this is really really helpful – having a few tech issue trying to upload my picture s- i shall keep trying – in the meantime I shall continue scraping! The sander looks great and I guess i could also use this to smooth skirting boards?
    Would a mouse sander also help smooth out the walls?
    Again, many thanks

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    • By FreeBear 3rd Mar 17, 2:48 PM
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    Would a mouse sander also help smooth out the walls?
    Originally posted by t45
    With a mouse sander, you'd be at it all week... Keep it to one side for those little jobs that need a good finish.

    As you are skimming the walls/ceiling with plaster, you don't have to worry about it being smooth or particularly flat - A few gouges, dings, and rough patches won't matter as the plaster will cover it all.
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    • t45
    • By t45 3rd Mar 17, 3:00 PM
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    With a mouse sander, you'd be at it all week... Keep it to one side for those little jobs that need a good finish.

    As you are skimming the walls/ceiling with plaster, you don't have to worry about it being smooth or particularly flat - A few gouges, dings, and rough patches won't matter as the plaster will cover it all.


    Many thanks again – still cant upload pics – yes skimmed with plaster – not by me! Think the pro will use PVA as adhesive - i’m just concerned that I haven’t taken off enough and the walls are not as smooth as they could be - it’s darn hard work with a scarper and steam machine!
    Good advise ref the mouse to keep for finish – the energiser sheet sander sounds great – what else could I just this on? Doors – big surface areas?
    The X-Tex sounds appealing after days of scraping – i guess one would just paste it on and leave it and watch the mess fall off! Then I just pop it all in the bin! Can I use X-Tex on walls too or is it really just for tough artex ceiling?
    Can I get this solution at Homebase or Screwfix?
    • t45
    • By t45 3rd Mar 17, 3:17 PM
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    ceiling - white bit
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    • By FreeBear 3rd Mar 17, 11:34 PM
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    W the energiser sheet sander sounds great – what else could I just this on? Doors – big surface areas?
    The X-Tex sounds appealing after days of scraping – i guess one would just paste it on and leave it and watch the mess fall off! Then I just pop it all in the bin! Can I use X-Tex on walls too or is it really just for tough artex ceiling?
    Can I get this solution at Homebase or Screwfix?
    Originally posted by t45
    Don't think Homebase or Screwfix stocks X-Tex... Toolstation does though - http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Painting+%26+Decorating/d150/Paint+%26+Varnish+Removers/sd2889/X-TEX+Water+Based+Textured+Coatings+Remover/p83638 - Slap it on, leave it for an hour or so, then scrape it off. The mess can be bagged and dropped in the bin. It does work on paint, but it is best left overnight to work.

    The Energer sander is great for large flat surfaces - Did a window sill recently, and have my eye on a door next. Also used it on a ceiling, but it was very, very dusty work.
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    • By t45 17th Mar 17, 10:41 AM
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    Thank you all for this advice e- just to give you all an update – in the end i just worked harder on the ceiling with my scarpers and earlex wallpaper steamer (this is a really good steamer) – it was darn hard work but i persevered and after hours and hours up on a ladder and sore hands i finally got everything off the ceiling! It was a huge challenge – the walls were perfectly prepped! As best i could and they have just been plastered – they look great – if i can work out how to upload pictures i will upload – the plasterer has done a great job!
    Ref the ENERGER SANDER from Screwfix – need to sand skirting and window sill – do you think this could be used to sand these areas? And if so is there a special type of sand paper i should use to get a nice finish - the window area is a little more important than the skirting as in view so keen to have good finish...
    Any ideas......
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    • By t45 28th Mar 17, 10:26 AM
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    Thanks Freebear --I bought this energer sander from scew fix and it's brilliant so thank you so much for recommendation - ive started sanding walls! it's a great tool....but I have a couple of questions:


    1. Can a hoover tube be attached to it to catch dust - I ended up covered in dust!
    2. The piece of sandpaper that comes with it seems to have lots it's stickiness and so doesn't stick on the bristle style place pad - is there a way in which I can attach the sand paper without the sticky pad/plate?
    3. In terms of different speeds - I assume there are different functions? ive just been using the one speed but it works well
    4. Can I use any sandpaper on this or does it have to be from screw fix and for this particular sander?
    ...much appreciated, a sander convert!
    • prosaver
    • By prosaver 28th Mar 17, 10:35 AM
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    this is how i done it in my house
    take out skirting boards and replace with new and apply bees wax.saves painting sanding.
    add a feature wallpapered chimney breast if its still rough. and plaster the rest.

    plus you could replace the door frames too..thats what i did and they dont need painting for years.
    might not be you taste tho.
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    • By FreeBear 28th Mar 17, 12:21 PM
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    1. Can a hoover tube be attached to it to catch dust - I ended up covered in dust!
    2. The piece of sandpaper that comes with it seems to have lots it's stickiness and so doesn't stick on the bristle style place pad - is there a way in which I can attach the sand paper without the sticky pad/plate?
    3. In terms of different speeds - I assume there are different functions? ive just been using the one speed but it works well
    4. Can I use any sandpaper on this or does it have to be from screw fix and for this particular sander?
    Originally posted by t45
    1) Yes, you can (and should) connect a vacuum cleaner to the tube at the back. Be warned, the dust will clog up the vacuum cleaner filters quite quickly (I use a Dyson and have spare washed filters to hand).

    2) There should be a wire 'clamp' either end of the pad - You can buy 1/3 sheets that clip under the clamps (Toolstation is cheap). Downside is they don't generally come with holes, but that isn't usually a problem.

    3) Mine is a fixed single speed. Just set it to a speed that gives good sanding rates without burning the surface you're sanding.

    4) No, you do not have to buy sanding sheets from Screwfix - They are a standard size and available from numerous sources. For real fine finish, I've been getting rolls of sanding paper and cutting them to length.
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    • casper_g
    • By casper_g 28th Mar 17, 12:30 PM
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    I hope you're wearing a dust mask, too!
    • t45
    • By t45 30th Mar 17, 11:54 AM
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    Thanks so much Freebear and Casper - yes wore dust mask - was very dusty - I was covered! I will treasure my moments sanding!
    Is it best to attach using velcro pad or manually using the spring bits?
    Should sanding take a certain shape for optimal effect or be carried out in lines, linear?
    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 30th Mar 17, 12:22 PM
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    It is personal preference as to which type of sheets you use - I use the plain clip-on ones because they are cheaper.

    As for sanding technique - For large areas, sweeping motions probably work best. Smaller areas, I tend to use a mix of circular and linear moves and avoid keeping the sander in one spot for too long.
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    • t45
    • By t45 3rd Apr 17, 9:43 AM
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    sanding papers and steel wool

    Thank you this is really useful!
    I have found the Energer sander very good for sanding walls but I tried it on my skirting boards and was not as effective – seemed a bit and not so good - so I used a combination of things for my skirting and happy with results:
    I used some paint stripper which I left on for about an hour – paint peeled off really well with scraper.
    I combined this with a coarse sandpaper, physically sanding with hands – it worked really well.
    BUT!....i still have the curved bits on my skirting to do and was wondering what you thought about using steel wool to get around the curves?
    I am trying to get the skirting back to bare wood. Has anyone any experience of using steel wool on skirting?
    I also looked in homebase and B&Q and saw different types of this wool – someone said that it is best to use as a finish to prepare the wood?
    Also, has anyone any experience of using the green sandpaper – think there is one called Liberty and it comes of a roll...and also you can get these coarse sand blocks?....anyone any experience of these?
    This has been a big learning curve for me.
    Once all paint off skirting – i will sand with 120 or fine grit, is this correct?
    NEXT...i start on my window cill and around my window (frame)– I think i shall just sand this using a medium grit paper – would this be correct? And then finish with a fine grit? Or is there such a thing as a finishing pad?
    Any ideas or experience with any of the above – the steel wool and green grit paper?
    I’m becoming quite excited about my own home improvement projects!
    Appreciate all of these ideas – really great thread this is!
    • GDB2222
    • By GDB2222 3rd Apr 17, 10:04 AM
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    Doesn't a lot of Artex contain asbestos? If so, I wouldn't want to sand it. When was the Artexing done?
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    • t45
    • By t45 3rd Apr 17, 10:12 AM
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    my walls and ceilings have no artext - it's paint - no artex
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    • By FreeBear 3rd Apr 17, 10:36 AM
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    Or is there such a thing as a finishing pad?
    Originally posted by t45
    Sanding sponges - They come in a variety of grits and shapes...
    http://www.screwfix.com/p/flexovit-sanding-sponges-fine-medium-pack-of-6/69248
    http://www.screwfix.com/p/flexovit-sanding-sponges-medium-coarse-pack-of-6/70902
    http://www.screwfix.com/p/norton-expert-dual-grit-angled-sanding-sponge-fine-medium/7241d

    When I did my skirting boards, I just whizzed over the flat areas with the sander and then used a medium/fine block on the profiled sections. For the picture rail, it will be coarse wire wool (old profile, loads of vintage paint). Between primer/base coats and the finish coat, they will get a light sanding with the fine sponge.
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