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    • dexterwolf
    • By dexterwolf 20th Feb 17, 3:06 PM
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    Does anyone know a good website building software where you can build the website and then move to another host but keep your website. Or any software that is fairly easy to use to build one so I can then Host a site elsewhere.



    The one I am using doesn't let me have the website so I have to stick with them Hosting it. I want the flexibility to be able to move if I want to.
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    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 20th Feb 17, 6:25 PM
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    The one your using doesnt let you have the website?

    Please explain? Usually once a site is made with whatever tools your hosting company use its your site.

    Everyone that visits the site gets the files to copy it. Except database stuff etc.
    Last edited by forgotmyname; 20-02-2017 at 6:28 PM.
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    • EdwardB
    • By EdwardB 20th Feb 17, 8:11 PM
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    Does anyone know a good website building software where you can build the website and then move to another host but keep your website. Or any software that is fairly easy to use to build one so I can then Host a site elsewhere.

    The one I am using doesn't let me have the website so I have to stick with them Hosting it. I want the flexibility to be able to move if I want to.
    Originally posted by dexterwolf
    What you need is Wordpress, you could consider Joomla but Wordpress left it in shadows a long time ago.

    You do not need to download it and upload to install, It is available as a one click install on most hosting platforms.

    It is totally portable, I have done many migrations myself

    It has 48,000+ plugins for everything you can imagine

    https://wordpress.org/plugins/

    It has templates which some people turn their nose up but I can recommend some mega ones.

    https://wordpress.org/themes/

    A friend of mine does this for a living, if you want I can PM his details he might set you up with a site to play with, he knows a sheetload more about it than me, has helped me a lot.
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    • dexterwolf
    • By dexterwolf 20th Feb 17, 9:04 PM
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    Thanks for that, I will check Word press out and see how I get on.
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 20th Feb 17, 9:16 PM
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    Why do so many wordpress accounts get defaced? Where is the security issue?

    Is it wordpress or the hosting site, or user not setting permissions?
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    • EdwardB
    • By EdwardB 20th Feb 17, 9:46 PM
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    Why do so many wordpress accounts get defaced? Where is the security issue?

    Is it wordpress or the hosting site, or user not setting permissions?
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    Wordpress is like windows, it needs to be kept up to date with security patches, I guess that like windows it is an easy target because there are so many out there.

    Wordfence is a fee plugin that has a paid version too for extra features.

    It logs and bans hacking attempts, can be set to send you an email, the paid version allows you to block countries, so Russia, China and a few choice Eastern European Countries will probably kill them off.

    Not because all hackers originate there but because those counties have the most open proxies and there are lists published daily.

    There are hacking tools for any site type and you can leave then on autopilot, they grab the proxies and a list of sites from RSS feeds and other sources, then away they go.

    There are scripts on the web or dark web to break most platforms.

    I actually think no site is 100% secure, LAMP is out there as an established platform that many web builders use.

    Often the failure in security is more about the network of the hosting platform, not protecting the resources/

    That is why people say TalkTalk ALLOWED itself to be hacked, a company with over 4 million customers did not do all that is necessary to protect customer data,

    Too much is blamed on hackers, we have poor IT management, Action Fraud do nothing but log the incidences, it is a complete sham.
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    • were
    • By were 13th Mar 17, 10:15 AM
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    • 13th Mar 17, 10:15 AM
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    • 13th Mar 17, 10:15 AM
    last time I looked wordpress was reported as had having 56% of the CMS market. Some templates support mobile devices off the bat.

    To be honest I do not like the large tile look of these sites, or windows even, but for mobile use with fat fingers it does help.
    Last edited by were; 13-03-2017 at 10:24 AM.
    • EdwardB
    • By EdwardB 13th Mar 17, 7:33 PM
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    The thing about Wordpress is that you can make it whatever you want, whatever look you get is down to the developer of the themes, nothing is forced.

    If a site is responsive (mobile friendly) it is because it was designed that way.

    It means you can knock up a basic site for very little money and let the customer add conrent to it without programming.

    The market share of Wordpress is huge now and that makes it more compelling, makes the techs cheaper, makes the alternative products cheaper and better quality.

    There are some sites that need coding from the ground up, but right now we are seeing some terrible web design out there, I think caused by giving developers these massive screens, when the sites run on the most common laptop screen (15") it is like viewing a site through a letter box, three or four stupid headers, content blocking crap left right and centre.

    As always these so called "designers" have no clue about human behaviour.

    They create so much white space that they fit sweet FA of what customers want to see, at the same time their fonts scale so badly that you have to zoom in and then scroll bars appear taking away even more of your visible space.

    Then if you actually try to look at products you have to zoom out because the lightbox does not even scroll and the buttons are at the bottom



    This leaves your screen zoomed out so the content looks like this



    Then when zooming back in you have a screen like this with absolutely NOTHING to entice users "above the fold"



    Those stupid Google Certified widgets and Help Widgets just content block, I would dump them.

    This is another example of poor "above the fold" design



    Absolutely nothing to tempt a user to engage with site, what is more important, these stupid statutory cookie messages or the users objectives?

    As you scroll it gets worse, you have these pinned bloated headers leaving you a narrow "letterbox" to view the scrolling content which does not fit



    These are from https://www.worldfirst.com/uk/ but they have missed out on the basic concepts of engagement; give the user something to do.

    Now compare that to their competitor https://transferwise.com/



    who also uses one of these HTML5 scrolling sites, but understands engagement "above the fold", as a user you will compare the rates, see that they are cheaper than their bank and develop trust, you do not have to scroll and you do not have to log in.

    These days you have to give people a reason to register, that is a big fail for the Worldfirst site, I heard they do their coding inhouse, so if it were me I would roll back to pre 2014 and start with visitor objectives, then see if I could connect the two.

    The old worldfirst site was actually way better, at least it had a currency conversion box. The one before that was even better, problem is that designers think it is all about the latest widgets when it is and has always been about giving the visitor what they are looking for and getting them to engage.

    These issues relate to Wordpress because when you are looking at themes you have to consider these things.

    With Wordpress the benefit of their themes is that you can modify them, add 3rd party plugins and make the site work for you, less coding and more configuration.

    Let's face it the hardest part of building a site is CONTENT, but you often do not realise that your website builder is a pile of poo until you have built it, by then you have invested your time and learning curve so you are stuck with it.

    However, if you do the same with Wordpress you are investing mostly in core Wordpress features and if a theme stops working for you then you add a new one and tweak away, all your content is still there.

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    • EdwardB
    • By EdwardB 23rd Mar 17, 7:46 AM
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    The problem I have with those sites is they are a cul de sac, if you invest your time there is no upgrade path.

    These sites NEVER rank with Google.

    They are perveived as amateur by visitors with the credit on every page

    They do not have the open source development of the product and tens of thousands of plugins and themes.

    As I said ealier. it is not until you have invested your time that you figure out these are very basic and may not meet your needs.
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    • EdwardB
    • By EdwardB 25th Mar 17, 2:37 PM
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    I disagree, I think those platforms are not that simple, do not afford the user the control they get from other platforms and by the time they have invested their time (the biggest factor in building a site) it is too late.

    I guess there are some people who can manage with such a basic platform and if that suits you then GREAT, but I could never recommend any of them.

    Also you cannot trust that page you referred to as they are a paid affiliate of the products they recommend.

    For example for wix this is their Aff ID

    ?utm_campaign=af_pXBprZ&experiment_id=wbg
    Last edited by EdwardB; 25-03-2017 at 2:40 PM.
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    • EdwardB
    • By EdwardB 25th Mar 17, 2:47 PM
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    And looking at your posts it seems they are all aff links.
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    • nadynn
    • By nadynn 25th Apr 17, 3:19 PM
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    When I was looking for a free and simple website builder, this article on Free Website Builders helped me to narrow my choices down and I opted for Wix. I’m thinking Wix may be a good way for you to go. Wix offers over 500 designs, categorized by industries. It must be pretty convenient for you!
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 25th Apr 17, 4:20 PM
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    The one your using doesnt let you have the website?

    Please explain? .
    Originally posted by forgotmyname

    Iv seen this before ..
    You use the website builder option that comes with the hosting, but then you do not have access to that file structure so you cant simply copy ot the files ..


    If you want to upload your own source files, then you have to switch off the website builder option
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 25th Apr 17, 5:53 PM
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    Another vote for Wordpress, has a one click install in most hosts, very easy to backup and restore with various plugins, then when you move host you just point at new host and when DNS has propagated you restore the backup, Or you could restore manually before re-pointing the host to new supplier.
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    • jamesdev
    • By jamesdev 25th May 17, 8:30 AM
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    I am completely agree with you. Good explanation about wordpress and it's plugins. As i also feel comfortable while using it.
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 25th May 17, 9:56 AM
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    What you need is Wordpress, you could consider Joomla but Wordpress left it in shadows a long time ago.

    You do not need to download it and upload to install, It is available as a one click install on most hosting platforms.

    It is totally portable, I have done many migrations myself

    It has 48,000+ plugins for everything you can imagine

    https://wordpress.org/plugins/

    It has templates which some people turn their nose up but I can recommend some mega ones.

    https://wordpress.org/themes/

    A friend of mine does this for a living, if you want I can PM his details he might set you up with a site to play with, he knows a sheetload more about it than me, has helped me a lot.
    Originally posted by EdwardB
    Wordpress is not a website builder it is a template store with its own backend. website builders are things link site.pro
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 25th May 17, 11:46 AM
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    Wordpress is not a website builder it is a template store with its own backend. website builders are things link site.pro
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    Semantics really. I like to think of it as a website container. The official name is a Content Management System.

    A database that holds all the content
    Themes that contain the design
    Plugins that contain functional code for just about anything

    It is not a template store, it more of a website builder, it does not have a wizard but some themes do.

    Some of the best designers I know have standardised on Wordpress, they still code where necessary, they just value the fact that their investment can be re-used on their own projects.

    Wordpress allows you to build any kind of website you want, from a blog to an ecommerce store.

    Of course you still need an eye for design, to understand your audience and the nature of visitors, so that you achieve your conversion goal.
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    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 25th May 17, 12:01 PM
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    Semantics really. I like to think of it as a website container. The official name is a Content Management System.

    A database that holds all the content
    Themes that contain the design
    Plugins that contain functional code for just about anything

    It is not a template store, it more of a website builder, it does not have a wizard but some themes do.

    Some of the best designers I know have standardised on Wordpress, they still code where necessary, they just value the fact that their investment can be re-used on their own projects.

    Wordpress allows you to build any kind of website you want, from a blog to an ecommerce store.

    Of course you still need an eye for design, to understand your audience and the nature of visitors, so that you achieve your conversion goal.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    It is not a website builder. a CMS is not a website builder, i work in the industry
    • Zola.
    • By Zola. 25th May 17, 1:01 PM
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    The thing I found with Wordpress sites are .... they nearly all look like.... Wordpress sites. Also if certain plugins fail it can knock the site offline like a domino effect. It can be painful.

    There are some nice bootstrap themes that can be converted but if you dont know much about web design, you really shouldnt be wasting your time on something you inevitably wont be overjoyed with at the end.

    A key question should be - Do I really need a CMS? If its just a basic site to advertise your business without the need for lots of news updates etc, a flat site built in a Bootstrap Theme would get the site done in no time and for cheap.

    Either way, you are always best hiring a freelance designer and getting it done properly.
    Last edited by Zola.; Today at 1:07 PM.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 25th May 17, 2:07 PM
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    Some do look similar, but it depends what you are after, this is one theme with 250 type of business site

    http://themes.muffingroup.com/be/splash/

    For me it always starts with the budget, then the content, both quantity and type.

    However, not using a CMS has considerable disadvantages

    There is nothing cheaper than free but you are investing your time, copying and pasting all that content at a later date will be a pain.

    Also changing a theme is like redecorating your home, what is modern today can look very dated in a few years.

    Being able to change the look and feel of a website without coding is great, not to under estimate the configuring and tweaking takes a lot of the time.

    I definitely think people need professional help but not necessarily by a designer, seriously when I look at some sites I think the designer should be punished!

    I think you need someone who will listen to your goals for the site and be honest with you.

    I would not use Wordpress for everything, but for quite a lot.

    I would never recommend those website builders that come with the hosting, it is akin to using some random program to do what Excel can do. Fine if you need the likes of SPSS but for the basic sites they create, yeeeuk.
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