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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 20th Feb 17, 10:59 AM
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    Fun & Games - PIP
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    • 20th Feb 17, 10:59 AM
    Fun & Games - PIP 20th Feb 17 at 10:59 AM
    Just had a letter from the DWP telling me that my DLA award is now suspended because I have not returned the PIP2.
    The form was sent to them on the 9th Feb - it was due back by the 12th. I paid £7.20 for Special Delivery as well and have a printed copy of when and who signed for it at 5.32am on the 10th Feb
    Anyhow just put the phone down on them and they say that the form is not in their office.
    My DLA will remain suspended until such time as the form is returned by the 12th March.

    Should I just hold fire and wait and see what happens? I don't have a form to fill in nor do I have the evidence that went with the original form?

    I'm sure that they are trying to make my life hell but I wont let them. Quite honestly I don't particularly care if I get the award or if they refuse to reinstate my DLA - I'll drop in a claim for Attendance Allowance instead.
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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 11th Mar 17, 10:45 PM
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    I've said before, that Rockingbilly is a pure hypocrite. He was moaning on another thread how the welfare bill is getting too high and that PIP should only be for those in need, yet he claims DLA and gives it to his grandchildren.

    Maybe it's a good thing he was turned down for PIP as he clearly doesn't need it.
    Originally posted by CTcelt1988
    I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about.
    Since when does PIP hinge on whether you need the extra money or not?
    Yes I along with many others agree that not just the welfare costs in particular, but DLA in particular. I have made my point that what DLA ended up like was nothing like what the original intention for it was.
    Yes I do think that far too much money is handed out - Tax Credits in particular. Up until recently it was a question of 'how few hours do I need to work to maximise the amount I can get from the State'.
    Yes I also agree that PIP should be narrower in it's eligibility when compared to how DLA finished off. There is only a limited amount of money that could be spent. Maybe what is being saved could be better used to fund the NHS or Social Care. When looking at 'need' with PIP in mind, the 'need' factor has nothing to do with the money but more to do with the government accepting that those that are severely disabled should be recognised as such and be treated differently due to their vulnerability.
    I claimed DLA because I was entitled to claim it. The DWP considered my application and agreed and accepted that I was disabled. The consideration that was given was in the form of an automatic right to a Blue Badge and free car tax. That was all that was of interest to me and of course the government accepting my disabilities.
    Likewise with PIP, I claimed because I was invited. If the government eventually agree that I am disabled then I am happy. The financial aspect really has no bearing on what I made the claim for. It is a point of principle, not a point of trying to get more money.
    But to say that I am not, against all of the medical opinion that I sent them is, to me, a downright injustice.
    • CTcelt1988
    • By CTcelt1988 11th Mar 17, 11:00 PM
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    Actually Rockingbilly, it should depend on whether you need the money or not.

    If you don't, why go go through with a demeaning assessment just so you can give your money away to
    your grandchildren when you don't need it yourself?

    There's people out there who genuinely need pip but are being refused. It !!!!es me of when people like you clearly don't need it.

    You contradict yourself in your post by saying less people should get it, yet you yourself won't use the money for your own benefit if you got PIP.

    Do you not realise that if people didn't need the money, it would instead go to people who genuinely need it?
    Last edited by CTcelt1988; 11-03-2017 at 11:07 PM.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 12th Mar 17, 12:07 AM
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    Likewise with PIP, I claimed because I was invited. If the government eventually agree that I am disabled then I am happy. The financial aspect really has no bearing on what I made the claim for. It is a point of principle, not a point of trying to get more money.
    But to say that I am not, against all of the medical opinion that I sent them is, to me, a downright injustice.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    PIP doesn't measure if you are as such disabled... but disabled in certain respects as you know... within the terms of the activities and their descriptors..blah blah. You understand this. I do feel you are hypocritical in a sense... on the same board you complain that people who have been found to be entitled to PIP based on various descriptors should not be in particular circumstances of psychological distress. Then you argue you should get PIP despite failing to convince anyone thus far. You are also hypocritical in complaining that the disability budget is excessive while freely admitting you don't need such money but are happy to take it and give it away to presumably non disabled people. I'm sorry but I've lost any sympathies. You exhibit a keen grasp of the processes of these claims yet when things go wrong for you it is almost as if you were a different character. Hence my expression of confusion in determining your self capabilities in initial posting to you. I think when it comes to stating fact you could not be called Frank... I suspect you studied your PIP2 form in a manner closer to the hints given than the claims made and if so then the advice alters. It's important to be factually accurate in order to get more sound advice.
    Last edited by Muttleythefrog; 12-03-2017 at 12:13 AM.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
    • antrobus
    • By antrobus 12th Mar 17, 1:11 AM
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    ... You are also hypocritical in complaining that the disability budget is excessive while freely admitting you don't need such money but are happy to take it and give it away to presumably non disabled people. I'm sorry but I've lost any sympathies.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog
    Perhaps they are getting what they want?

    .... If people had their own way the amount of money that is being paid out to DLA/PIP recipients or even benefits in general would only go one way - skywards!
    And the likes of me and thousands of others would see their tax bills rise year on year.
    Even at 67, I probably pay more tax in a year than most workers on the NMW pay! I do not want to pay any more to support an ever increasing Welfare budget....

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72191453&postcount=72
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 12th Mar 17, 7:48 AM
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    In terms of the Blue Badge rockngbilly could you not get the award (if you can) and then decline the actual payments. Would not the award letter itself be adequate for the Blue Badge application. I doubt they would check (or be interested in to be honest) if you were getting the money

    That would be a nice gesture by you - and save the public purse a few pennies - which you have professed support for

    Otherwise I am with Muttley
    • tomtom256
    • By tomtom256 12th Mar 17, 7:53 AM
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    Actually Rockingbilly, it should depend on whether you need the money or not.

    If you don't, why go go through with a demeaning assessment just so you can give your money away to
    your grandchildren when you don't need it yourself?

    There's people out there who genuinely need pip but are being refused. It !!!!es me of when people like you clearly don't need it.

    You contradict yourself in your post by saying less people should get it, yet you yourself won't use the money for your own benefit if you got PIP.

    Do you not realise that if people didn't need the money, it would instead go to people who genuinely need it?
    Originally posted by CTcelt1988
    Probably for the extras it opens for you.

    Blue badge, extra premiums if on HB, Tax Credits, etc.

    Even if he did not claim it, it still would not go to where it's needed, but that's politics.

    Cross post with above, however they do check of you are in receipt of PIP/DLA via CIS and the only way to decline payments is to cancel the award, thus nulling the entitlement to an automatic blue badge.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 12th Mar 17, 9:08 AM
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    Cross post with above, however they do check of you are in receipt of PIP/DLA via CIS and the only way to decline payments is to cancel the award, thus nulling the entitlement to an automatic blue badge.
    Originally posted by tomtom256
    Aah okay. Fair enough. It was just a thought. I didn't know the ins and outs. Or he could continue to get the award for the blue badge and give the money to charity

    As an alternative, perhaps Rockingbilly could try applying for a blue badge without indicating that he is receiving the qualifying benefit (mind you sounds like he is going to have to do that anyway!) to see if he would get it. Given what he has said he would be a shoe in

    As for the extra premiums he has indicated he doesn't financially need the basic award so he certainly wouldn't need them!
    Last edited by NeilCr; 12-03-2017 at 9:19 AM.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 12th Mar 17, 2:19 PM
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    Aah okay. Fair enough. It was just a thought. I didn't know the ins and outs. Or he could continue to get the award for the blue badge and give the money to charity

    As an alternative, perhaps Rockingbilly could try applying for a blue badge without indicating that he is receiving the qualifying benefit (mind you sounds like he is going to have to do that anyway!) to see if he would get it. Given what he has said he would be a shoe in

    As for the extra premiums he has indicated he doesn't financially need the basic award so he certainly wouldn't need them!
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    To get a BB without automatically qualifying would totally depend on their local council. An assessment would most probably be needed as they have got a lot tougher with just "giving" them to people over the last couple of years.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 12th Mar 17, 2:26 PM
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    To get a BB without automatically qualifying would totally depend on their local council. An assessment would most probably be needed as they have got a lot tougher with just "giving" them to people over the last couple of years.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    I know

    But Rockingbilly is pretty sure that he would get Enhanced Mobility so I'd have thought he would have a good chance!
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 12th Mar 17, 2:40 PM
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    I know

    But Rockingbilly is pretty sure that he would get Enhanced Mobility so I'd have thought he would have a good chance!
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    Really? I could have sworn i read at some point he didn't think he'd qualify for any PIP award.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 12th Mar 17, 2:49 PM
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    Really? I could have sworn i read at some point he didn't think he'd qualify for any PIP award.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    He will have been on his medication at that point.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 12th Mar 17, 2:58 PM
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    Really? I could have sworn i read at some point he didn't think he'd qualify for any PIP award.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    He's read his paperwork now!
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 12th Mar 17, 3:04 PM
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    He's read his paperwork now!
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    couldn't resist sorry.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 3:15 PM
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    Actually Rockingbilly, it should depend on whether you need the money or not.
    [COLOR="Red"]But the Regulations don't specify that at all. All they say is that if you meet enough descriptors to get enough points you get the award. The award is for a fixed amount whether that be too little for your extra costs or too much. Personally I don't have any extra costs over and above what I would pay out whether I was disabled or not. I would be extremely surprised to find that I am not the only claimant in that position. [/COLOR

    If you don't, why go go through with a demeaning assessment just so you can give your money away to your grandchildren when you don't need it yourself?
    You could also say why bother claiming ANY benefit if the money is not needed. However there were two Prime Ministers (one Labour and another a Conservative) that claimed DLA for their children - should they have not claimed it?

    There's people out there who genuinely need pip but are being refused. It !!!!es me of when people like you clearly don't need it.
    If they are refused the benefit AND need the money then they should appeal. I too will appeal only because I believe that they have made a bad decision.

    You contradict yourself in your post by saying less people should get it, yet you yourself won't use the money for your own benefit if you got PIP.
    I was comparing DLA to PIP. Come on you have to admit that DLA was abused to a ridiculous extent. When I claimed it was a self assessed claim with the only input coming from my GP who had no idea what my difficulties were and sent a report to the DWP based entirely on what I told him they were.The costs were getting out of control.

    Do you not realise that if people didn't need the money, it would instead go to people who genuinely need it?
    And how do you come to that conclusion? Do you honestly believe that if companies paid more tax the government would increase the PIP awards?
    Originally posted by CTcelt1988
    It appears that you have a warped opinion as to how the system works. The amount paid is the same as it was for DLA So how did they come up with the level of awards. I believe it is not based on anything - it was a figure that the government thought would appease the public then they deducted 10% for good measure. There is no scientific calculation involved.
    What I do not agree with is a situation were people who get such an award go on to get more money because of that award when claiming a means tested benefit. I still don't understand why there are these extra disability premiums.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 12th Mar 17, 3:20 PM
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    It appears that you have a warped opinion as to how the system works. The amount paid is the same as it was for DLA So how did they come up with the level of awards. I believe it is not based on anything - it was a figure that the government thought would appease the public then they deducted 10% for good measure. There is no scientific calculation involved.
    What I do not agree with is a situation were people who get such an award go on to get more money because of that award when claiming a means tested benefit. I still don't understand why there are these extra disability premiums.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Now who's opinion is warped?? You're moaning and having a go at those that claim disability premiums when you were claiming DLA BUT was giving it to your kids?? Something isn't quite right here or is it me just reading it wrong?
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 3:30 PM
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    Really? I could have sworn i read at some point he didn't think he'd qualify for any PIP award.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    Yes Poppy that was my initial thought at the start. The descriptors are so narrow that I just couldn't see where I would get any points from. Then I was told that I should not read them as they are but look at them from a different angle.

    Question: can I walk more than 20 metres - yes - fact.
    But could I walk that distance without being in pain - no
    Would I have to stop part way -yes
    Could I do it repeatedly - no
    Would it take longer than twice the average time - yes

    So the fact is that I could walk more than 20 metres if you disregard how I do it

    Like wise with care. Can I bathe - yes - fact, if you ignore how I do it and who has to help me do it.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 3:35 PM
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    Now who's opinion is warped?? You're moaning and having a go at those that claim disability premiums when you were claiming DLA BUT was giving it to your kids?? Something isn't quite right here or is it me just reading it wrong?
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    OK explain to me then why do people who claim a means tested benefit receive additional income because they are also in receipt of DLA/PIP? To me that is making two payments for the same disability.

    I researched once that if a couple both get DLA they would also get another £100 or so extra for those disabilities.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 3:37 PM
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    I know

    But Rockingbilly is pretty sure that he would get Enhanced Mobility so I'd have thought he would have a good chance!
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    But what about the road tax which is worth up to £500 a year?
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 12th Mar 17, 3:39 PM
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    But what about the road tax which is worth up to £500 a year?
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    But you don't need the money

    You keep saying this.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 12th Mar 17, 3:46 PM
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    OK explain to me then why do people who claim a means tested benefit receive additional income because they are also in receipt of DLA/PIP? To me that is making two payments for the same disability.

    I researched once that if a couple both get DLA they would also get another £100 or so extra for those disabilities.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    I use all of my extras to fund my disability including my PIP. As others do i'm sure. What did you use yours for, oh yes you didn't you gave it away to your kids because like you said "you didn't need the money" I rest my case....
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