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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 20th Feb 17, 11:59 AM
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    Fun & Games - PIP
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    • 20th Feb 17, 11:59 AM
    Fun & Games - PIP 20th Feb 17 at 11:59 AM
    Just had a letter from the DWP telling me that my DLA award is now suspended because I have not returned the PIP2.
    The form was sent to them on the 9th Feb - it was due back by the 12th. I paid £7.20 for Special Delivery as well and have a printed copy of when and who signed for it at 5.32am on the 10th Feb
    Anyhow just put the phone down on them and they say that the form is not in their office.
    My DLA will remain suspended until such time as the form is returned by the 12th March.

    Should I just hold fire and wait and see what happens? I don't have a form to fill in nor do I have the evidence that went with the original form?

    I'm sure that they are trying to make my life hell but I wont let them. Quite honestly I don't particularly care if I get the award or if they refuse to reinstate my DLA - I'll drop in a claim for Attendance Allowance instead.
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    • w06
    • By w06 10th Mar 17, 8:41 PM
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    As Neil has said you don't need anybody at DWP to do anything. You need to decide which of the descriptors you think that your disabilities align with, unless I'm mistaken you yourself have previously assessed yourself to score zero points too, and then you need to outline why you disagree with the letter already sent to you by the DWP.

    You have everything you need to ask for the mandatory reconsideration, if you want to ask for one you just need to do that.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 10th Mar 17, 10:12 PM
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    Well at the end of the day whether they chose to cause delays or not, it is entirely down to the DWP to get their fingers out as without the documentation I can't prepare or even discuss with Welfare Rights anything if I have no copies of the claim form or the evidence I sent in. They are also going to hold things up as well if they take too long in sending the copied ESA & DLA files that were requested in early January when the PIP claim started.

    Yes the refusal letter says that a whole host of things the claim form said they say that I don't have any issues with them.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    I agree with the above advice you're getting. Let's make this simple and I'll give my direct advice.

    I presume you've requested copies of the evidence they've used.. if not then do so first thing Monday stressing the urgency and requirement for that to include copy of your 'How your disability affects you' form as you didn't keep a copy. Also request copies of your evidence as it seems you sent originals in... a deeply unfortunate event if true. Never send in original evidence to them unless specifically requested and also have copy of anything you send to them. The decision letter you have received sounds like it is as good as you will get in explaining the decision - it documents the descriptors they've chosen and why. You need to challenge those conclusions if you disagree with them when asking for reconsideration. Also you keep raising that you gave permissions for them to look at other claims for evidence... ESA is probably irrelevant and I suspect it likely they have not really used any documents from your ESA or DLA claims... so don't be expecting them to supply copies of such stuff as they likely never used. It seems most likely what you have supplied in applying for PIP has hung you.

    If you can arrange for a welfare rights or similar consultation within next 2 weeks try to do that otherwise forget it for now otherwise you'll run risk of running out of time.

    Look over the 12 activities and determine which descriptors you think should apply to you. If you consider you would score a total of notably less than 8 points for both Daily Living and Mobility I would seriously consider quitting any further attempts to get PIP - if you think you don't qualify then convincing the DWP or a tribunal is surely going to be tough.

    Hound the DWP for your evidence copies until either they arrive or you approach running out of time. If that time approaches (i.e. your month is running out) call them and indicate you are making a mandatory reconsideration but your written submission will only be able to follow once you have copies of the evidence used in your claim and can respond to it. Insist they lodge a mandatory reconsideration but to hold off carrying it out until you later submit a written document to detail the specific reasons why.

    Make written reconsideration request with or without support from Welfare Rights or the like, addressing the activities relevant to you and which descriptors apply and why... detail any supporting evidence and correct any errors in existing evidence that is unhelpful. Indicate what award of PIP you should get following summation of the descriptor points you argue apply.

    Then wait for decision... if you are unable to get timely support from WR or the like then perhaps try to arrange something on the expectation you will be making appeal in due course. Unfortunately it is hard to know how long the MR could take... for me over 2 months is probably at the longer end of the spectrum.

    Make a record of all you do. But I really think you need to take control of these matters... do not sit in expectation DWP or WR or the like will come to your rescue. But for goodness sake figure out if in theory you should get PIP... otherwise we could all be wasting our time offering advice that is substantially inappropriate or poor.

    Others may advise slightly different tactics.... but this is how I would approach things given my approximation of your circumstances.
    Last edited by Muttleythefrog; 10-03-2017 at 10:49 PM.
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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 10th Mar 17, 11:50 PM
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    As Neil has said you don't need anybody at DWP to do anything. You need to decide which of the descriptors you think that your disabilities align with, unless I'm mistaken you yourself have previously assessed yourself to score zero points too, and then you need to outline why you disagree with the letter already sent to you by the DWP.

    You have everything you need to ask for the mandatory reconsideration, if you want to ask for one you just need to do that.
    Originally posted by w06
    I actually did try to do that at the start. The descriptors seem very closely focused. But I'll give it a go again.
    I've transcribed part of the letter here which does seem to prove that the PIP2 that was filled in by the Jobcentre was not up to the mark needed.

    "The questionnaire indicates a low level of disability overall, the information is consistent, medically reasonable and there is nothing to suggest under-reporting "

    Now the way I am looking at it is that I know what is wrong with me, I have professionals that have not only confirmed that in writing but gone one step further and have identified how these difficulties are affecting my life - the physical fact of poor mobility, the ability to take in new information, the ability to understand even any basic new task etc etc etc .
    but the claim form has not done me any favours with how it has all been put together (which is exactly why I needed the help to fill it in in the first place).
    OK I will try and identify what descriptors fit exactly my difficulties and send the letter to the DWP asking for a MR. Would the DWP be a bit suspicious if when I get the copy PIP2 I try to pull apart what was written and substitute it to fit the descriptors more?
    • bspm
    • By bspm 10th Mar 17, 11:55 PM
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    I actually did try to do that at the start. The descriptors seem very closely focused. But I'll give it a go again.
    I've transcribed part of the letter here which does seem to prove that the PIP2 that was filled in by the Jobcentre was not up to the mark needed.

    "The questionnaire indicates a low level of disability overall, the information is consistent, medically reasonable and there is nothing to suggest under-reporting "

    Now the way I am looking at it is that I know what is wrong with me, I have professionals that have not only confirmed that in writing but gone one step further and have identified how these difficulties are affecting my life - the physical fact of poor mobility, the ability to take in new information, the ability to understand even any basic new task etc etc etc .
    but the claim form has not done me any favours with how it has all been put together (which is exactly why I needed the help to fill it in in the first place).
    OK I will try and identify what descriptors fit exactly my difficulties and send the letter to the DWP asking for a MR. Would the DWP be a bit suspicious if when I get the copy PIP2 I try to pull apart what was written and substitute it to fit the descriptors more?
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Oh my goodness me

    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 11th Mar 17, 12:03 AM
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    I agree with the above advice you're getting. Let's make this simple and I'll give my direct advice.

    I presume you've requested copies of the evidence they've used.. if not then do so first thing Monday stressing the urgency and requirement for that to include copy of your 'How your disability affects you' form as you didn't keep a copy. Also request copies of your evidence as it seems you sent originals in... a deeply unfortunate event if true. Never send in original evidence to them unless specifically requested and also have copy of anything you send to them. The decision letter you have received sounds like it is as good as you will get in explaining the decision - it documents the descriptors they've chosen and why. You need to challenge those conclusions if you disagree with them when asking for reconsideration. Also you keep raising that you gave permissions for them to look at other claims for evidence... ESA is probably irrelevant and I suspect it likely they have not really used any documents from your ESA or DLA claims... so don't be expecting them to supply copies of such stuff as they likely never used. It seems most likely what you have supplied in applying for PIP has hung you.

    If you can arrange for a welfare rights or similar consultation within next 2 weeks try to do that otherwise forget it for now otherwise you'll run risk of running out of time.

    Look over the 12 activities and determine which descriptors you think should apply to you. If you consider you would score a total of notably less than 8 points for both Daily Living and Mobility I would seriously consider quitting any further attempts to get PIP - if you think you don't qualify then convincing the DWP or a tribunal is surely going to be tough.

    Hound the DWP for your evidence copies until either they arrive or you approach running out of time. If that time approaches (i.e. your month is running out) call them and indicate you are making a mandatory reconsideration but your written submission will only be able to follow once you have copies of the evidence used in your claim and can respond to it. Insist they lodge a mandatory reconsideration but to hold off carrying it out until you later submit a written document to detail the specific reasons why.

    Make written reconsideration request with or without support from Welfare Rights or the like, addressing the activities relevant to you and which descriptors apply and why... detail any supporting evidence and correct any errors in existing evidence that is unhelpful. Indicate what award of PIP you should get following summation of the descriptor points you argue apply.

    Then wait for decision... if you are unable to get timely support from WR or the like then perhaps try to arrange something on the expectation you will be making appeal in due course. Unfortunately it is hard to know how long the MR could take... for me over 2 months is probably at the longer end of the spectrum.

    Make a record of all you do. But I really think you need to take control of these matters... do not sit in expectation DWP or WR or the like will come to your rescue. But for goodness sake figure out if in theory you should get PIP... otherwise we could all be wasting our time offering advice that is substantially inappropriate or poor.

    Others may advise slightly different tactics.... but this is how I would approach things given my approximation of your circumstances.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog
    Yes I have asked the DWP for all of that, some of it as far back as the first couple of weeks in January.
    Am I right in thinking that with what appears to be a poorly constructed claim form even though the evidence is good it is not only going to be like pushing water uphill but also it will look like I am trying to manipulate what was put on the PIP2 to suit it better to give me more of a chance? Like for example ' I have some really good days when I don't have much difficulty walking. Other days are extremely poor' What should have been written, "I am never in a position to walk more than 10 metres without having to stop because of the severe damage to my lower spine (which is clearly explained in great detail in the attached reports from the Pain Clinic and my Consultant in the Spinal Injuries dept of the hospital). Although on occasion I can walk for longer, but no more than 50 metres, but that all depends on how much medication I have taken and when. Walking on those days for longer then makes it impossible to make the return journey. I can sometimes push myself but I suffer for it afterwards"
    OK I will go through the descriptors, push the DWP for the info and try to put together a letter for the MR.

    Thanks once again for the advice. Without someone showing me the way I feel completely lost.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 11th Mar 17, 12:05 AM
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    Oh my goodness me

    Originally posted by bspm
    What is so funny??? I don't find the position I am in very amusing.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 11th Mar 17, 12:58 AM
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    I actually did try to do that at the start. The descriptors seem very closely focused. But I'll give it a go again.
    I've transcribed part of the letter here which does seem to prove that the PIP2 that was filled in by the Jobcentre was not up to the mark needed.

    "The questionnaire indicates a low level of disability overall, the information is consistent, medically reasonable and there is nothing to suggest under-reporting "

    Now the way I am looking at it is that I know what is wrong with me, I have professionals that have not only confirmed that in writing but gone one step further and have identified how these difficulties are affecting my life - the physical fact of poor mobility, the ability to take in new information, the ability to understand even any basic new task etc etc etc .
    but the claim form has not done me any favours with how it has all been put together (which is exactly why I needed the help to fill it in in the first place).
    OK I will try and identify what descriptors fit exactly my difficulties and send the letter to the DWP asking for a MR. Would the DWP be a bit suspicious if when I get the copy PIP2 I try to pull apart what was written and substitute it to fit the descriptors more?
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Suspicious who knows... but they've every right to challenge things you now claim to be true if you've previously said differently. If you're adding to information then perhaps not. But if you start attacking your own evidence then you're going to probably have some difficulties... I imagine you'd have to give compelling reasons why you've submitted inaccurate details of your disabilities.

    Remember in terms of the descriptors.... you should not consider yourself able to perform a task if you cannot do so safely, reliably, repeatedly and in a reasonable time period.

    I do think you face an uphill battle.. not an impossible one... but I think first you have to establish you think you qualify for PIP.
    Last edited by Muttleythefrog; 11-03-2017 at 1:17 AM.
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    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 11th Mar 17, 6:50 AM
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    I think the PIP2 form is a red herring. You have 30 days from the date of the letter (not the date you received it) to get the MR in so you could be a a week in, already. If you hang around, prevaricating as you do, waiting for a copy of a form which may never come then you are losing valuable time. In any case I don't think the PIP2 is necessary here.

    Concentrate on what they have said about how your condition and how it effects you match (or don't match) the descriptors. That's how we deal with MRs and we do a lot of them. If there is a copy of the form that is fine but quite often clients don't have them

    In your other thread I gave you links to information on MRs and a pro forma that helps. In you case you missed it here they are again

    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/appeals/mandatory-reconsideration/

    https://www.leicester.gov.uk/media/178163/mandatory-reconsideration-request.pdf

    For goodness sake do something - or decide ( as Muttley says amongst a lot of other sensible stuff) that you don't qualify. Quite frankly the past is the past and your focus should be on getting the MR in - not grumbling on about what happened in January whatever

    You've had a lot of positive advice here - put up or shut up

    And, as was said earlier, the majority of MRs fail (certainly ones with nil points) so the great likelihood is that you will end up at appeal. So while you need to make the MR as good as possible the key thing is to get it in - as it is a part of a process you have to go through to get to a tribunal

    Oh and as an ETA. Let's be not putting all the blame on the DWP guy who helped you with the form. I know from experience that form completion is only as good as the information you are getting from the client. Much of the skill in dealing with clients for PIP, ESA, DLA etc is being able to coax out quite delicate and vital snippets that add to the overall picture - and then getting them down on the form. Experience helps with that - plus the time to build up a rapport with the person you are helping.

    Quite honestly, if you come across in person as you do on paper I'm guessing you aren't the easiest individual to get this sort of information out of. He can only put down what you tell him - and, in the end, you know, it was you who signed the form!
    Last edited by NeilCr; 11-03-2017 at 7:35 AM.
    • Tommo1980
    • By Tommo1980 11th Mar 17, 8:01 AM
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    Personally I don't think you give a flying fig about whether you get an award on not.

    Like good old Mr Meldrew you just need something to moan about to make life worth living. Once this little drama has played out you will be looking for the next thing.
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 11th Mar 17, 9:11 AM
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    Rockingbilly

    What I really don't understand is that in previous posts you use your own income to fund the kind of car you like to drive as Motability don't as it goes above there threshold and You say again in previous posts that you don't need the money dla/pip provides as you give it to your grand children a bit like the post saying you have to put your Motability scooter on the back seats then saying you don't have a scooter,so I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or are you an out and out storey teller,but I will say one thing is that I would not give myself all the so called grief your claiming to have about trying to claim a disability benefit when in fact you don't really need it do you and more to the point don't even qualify for it.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 11th Mar 17, 10:14 AM
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    Suspicious who knows... but they've every right to challenge things you now claim to be true if you've previously said differently. If you're adding to information then perhaps not. But if you start attacking your own evidence then you're going to probably have some difficulties... I imagine you'd have to give compelling reasons why you've submitted inaccurate details of your disabilities.

    Remember in terms of the descriptors.... you should not consider yourself able to perform a task if you cannot do so safely, reliably, repeatedly and in a reasonable time period.

    I do think you face an uphill battle.. not an impossible one... but I think first you have to establish you think you qualify for PIP.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog

    Thanks, I only mention that as I have a rather nasty feeling, given the quality of the evidence sent to the DWP, that I am going to have to 'attack my own initial evidence' as per the PIP2.
    Unless I am wrong, and I hope that I am, the Jobcentre guy may well have put HIS interpretation down on the form based on what I said to him. In other words the content of the PIP2 may well be contradictory to the documentary evidence. that was not disclosed to him
    The accuracy of what is on the PIP2 is down to how they (the JC) filled it out. Yes I signed it in good faith and under pressure but what the complete contents are I have no idea.

    I have had a look at the descriptors this morning and using what you say about not fixating on the strict wording, I calculate that there should be enough points to award me 'enhanced' for both care and mobility. For example bathing, I have an electric bath riser supplied by Social Services that allows me to drop into the water and rise again. I still need help to get onto the chair and off. I need help to wash my hair, back and below my waist along with needing help to dry those parts as well.
    I have a raised toilet seat and frame also supplied by Social Services. Whilst this helps me to clean myself, I still need help to get off the toilet.
    In fact Social Services, after a review of my difficulties and a financial assessment in Nov 2016, suggested that I should have carers come in a couple of times a day for which they would pay for. I refused that offer as I saw it as the last straw of losing what independence I have left.
    Anyhow I will get letters posted on Monday to the DWP setting out exactly what you have previously suggested and will take it from there.
    Thanks once again
    Last edited by rockingbilly; 11-03-2017 at 10:18 AM.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 11th Mar 17, 10:46 AM
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    Thanks, I only mention that as I have a rather nasty feeling, given the quality of the evidence sent to the DWP, that I am going to have to 'attack my own initial evidence' as per the PIP2.
    Unless I am wrong, and I hope that I am, the Jobcentre guy may well have put HIS interpretation down on the form based on what I said to him. In other words the content of the PIP2 may well be contradictory to the documentary evidence. that was not disclosed to him
    The accuracy of what is on the PIP2 is down to how they (the JC) filled it out. Yes I signed it in good faith and under pressure but what the complete contents are I have no idea.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Nope.

    In my experience DWP staff act as scribes. They ask the questions and complete the form using your answers. They aren't there to discuss the ins and outs of every question and probe as I mentioned above

    And yes it is your responsibility. You signed the form - you took it away with you. You could have had a look at it (indeed in some of your earlier posts you have said that it didn't look right and that you were"working on it".). You could have discussed it with your wife and kids - you could have amended it

    It's another red herring.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 11th Mar 17, 11:04 AM
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    I have had a look at the descriptors this morning and using what you say about not fixating on the strict wording, I calculate that there should be enough points to award me 'enhanced' for both care and mobility. For example bathing, I have an electric bath riser supplied by Social Services that allows me to drop into the water and rise again. I still need help to get onto the chair and off. I need help to wash my hair, back and below my waist along with needing help to dry those parts as well.
    I have a raised toilet seat and frame also supplied by Social Services. Whilst this helps me to clean myself, I still need help to get off the toilet.
    In fact Social Services, after a review of my difficulties and a financial assessment in Nov 2016, suggested that I should have carers come in a couple of times a day for which they would pay for. I refused that offer as I saw it as the last straw of losing what independence I have left.
    Anyhow I will get letters posted on Monday to the DWP setting out exactly what you have previously suggested and will take it from there.
    Thanks once again
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    When I saw you say you have something electric and then it is soon after followed by words about dropping in the bath my alarm bells rang..lol. I wouldn't rush your written Mandatory Reconsideration if you're starting this weekend... at least in the sense you don't need it done by Monday but you do need to start progressing as others advise. Make your case regarding at least one activity per day perhaps... since some probably won't be applicable you might be able to send off in 7-10 days. To prevent any more disasters I suggest you get the post office to send your MR (and any supporting evidence) via a service that at least gets a signature from recipient... and keep the receipt! It'll be interesting to see how all this plays out... the DWP consider from your application that you do not have significant disabilities but you determine you should receive the maximum PIP award. In my mind I wonder if your disabilities are supportive in claiming you have been reckless with your claim submissions thus far. At a tribunal with people seeing you face to face you just may be able to explain incompetence in application as a result of the very problems you have leading to your claim in the first place. It's incestuous but it may have legs (sounds like I'm describing a reptile from Venus). Perhaps not... but I do wonder.
    Last edited by Muttleythefrog; 11-03-2017 at 11:30 AM.
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    • Tommo1980
    • By Tommo1980 11th Mar 17, 12:44 PM
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    There seems to be a bout of verbal diarrhoea doing the rounds!
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 11th Mar 17, 1:35 PM
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    Rockingbilly

    What I really don't understand is that in previous posts you use your own income to fund the kind of car you like to drive as Motability don't as it goes above there threshold and You say again in previous posts that you don't need the money dla/pip provides as you give it to your grand children a bit like the post saying you have to put your Motability scooter on the back seats then saying you don't have a scooter,so I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or are you an out and out storey teller,but I will say one thing is that I would not give myself all the so called grief your claiming to have about trying to claim a disability benefit when in fact you don't really need it do you and more to the point don't even qualify for it.
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    Well you are right in one aspect, the money is not the reason I am claiming PIP. The three most important reasons are: automatic Blue Badge, no road tax to pay and on principle, I have disabilities that entitle me to make a claim.
    There is nothing that states that you should only make a claim if you have extra financial needs created by the disabilities. In fact people spend the award on other things like holidays, cars and in my case, by giving it to my children.

    I don't own and have never owned a mobility scooter - they are too dangerous. Where have you gathered that I do own one?
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 11th Mar 17, 3:09 PM
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    I don't own and have never owned a mobility scooter - they are too dangerous. Where have you gathered that I do own one?
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    This what you posted.........



    # 112 rockingbilly Old 27-01-2017, 11:17 AM
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    The scooter when dismantled will still not fit in the boot space, hence why it has to go on the rear seat - it is not a hatchback but a saloon car that is fairly low.
    Last edited by bigbulldog; 11-03-2017 at 3:11 PM.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 11th Mar 17, 3:17 PM
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    This what you posted.........



    # 112 rockingbilly Old 27-01-2017, 11:17 AM
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    The scooter when dismantled will still not fit in the boot space, hence why it has to go on the rear seat - it is not a hatchback but a saloon car that is fairly low.
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    Perhaps he meant one of these
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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 11th Mar 17, 8:34 PM
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    This what you posted.........



    # 112 rockingbilly Old 27-01-2017, 11:17 AM
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    The scooter when dismantled will still not fit in the boot space, hence why it has to go on the rear seat - it is not a hatchback but a saloon car that is fairly low.
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    I still can't remember posting that. Yes we thought about getting a folding scooter for my wife but certainly have never bought one.
    If that is what I posted I don't know, maybe the medication or something. I can't even find the post you refer to on my log on this site.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 11th Mar 17, 8:38 PM
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    I still can't remember posting that. Yes we thought about getting a folding scooter for my wife but certainly have never bought one.
    If that is what I posted I don't know, maybe the medication or something. I can't even find the post you refer to on my log on this site.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=71998559&highlight=scooter#post71 998559

    Maybe you were talking in general terms.. but I'll try some of that medication if you don't mind
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    • CTcelt1988
    • By CTcelt1988 11th Mar 17, 10:40 PM
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    I've said before, that Rockingbilly is a pure hypocrite. He was moaning on another thread how the welfare bill is getting too high and that PIP should only be for those in need, yet he claims DLA and gives it to his grandchildren.

    Maybe it's a good thing he was turned down for PIP as he clearly doesn't need it.
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