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    • positiveR
    • By positiveR 8th Feb 17, 4:14 PM
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    Premier Park - next step?
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    • 8th Feb 17, 4:14 PM
    Premier Park - next step? 8th Feb 17 at 4:14 PM
    Help please. Copied the template on these pages to "our friends" at Premier Park Ltd, did it online (so got a screenshot) and today they emailed this response....where do I go from here please:

    We write to acknowledge receipt of your recent online appeal, on behalf of the driver, appealing against the issuing of a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) to the vehicle.

    We note your comments and must refer you to the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, Schedule 4 - Recovery of unpaid Parking Charges. This is available to view online at:
    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4

    We must therefore request that the details of the driver of the vehicle at the time of the contravention are supplied; this must include their full name and serviceable UK postal address. If you are unwilling or unable to provide these details the registered keeper of this vehicle will remain liable for this PCN. This information should be provided by 15th February 2017. Please note, Premier Park Limited will not reply to any correspondence until after the above date, if the requested information is not provided.

    If we do not receive this information by the date given, the registered keeper of the vehicle at the date of event will be held liable.

    If you would like to view our photographic evidence, please visit www.pcnpayments.com

    Please respond by return or by filling in the Transfer of Liability form on the reverse of the PCN and posting it to Premier Park, PO Box 624, Exeter, EX1 9JG.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 26th Feb 17, 12:33 AM
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    I did mention it in the signage pointer but if I take it out and add this under its own heading, (1st point as most important and specific) do you think this is ok to send? Thank you for your time
    Originally posted by positiveR
    Yes, have this as point #1 on its own (below) and then save your appeal as a PDF then upload it under OTHER on the POPLA website:


    1. No terms at the disabled bays except to display a Blue Badge.

    The disabled bays require a blue badge but at those actual bays, there is no notice of this (as their photos of the car show). It seems from my research that the only notice of terms is at the ticket machine which, perfectly reasonably, the driver did not have cause to go to as they only knew that they must display their Blue Badge. Disabled drivers cannot be expected to trawl a car park for terms that are not displayed to create a contract with a disabled motorist and it is reasonable for such a motorist to conclude - even if they saw a P&D machine in the distance, which this driver did not - that these did not apply to the disabled bays.

    No other terms were stated at the disabled spaces except to show a Blue Badge, so no contract was accepted and the PCN was not properly issued. Further, not displaying the terms at the disabled bays is contrary to the BPA Code of Practice:

    http://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS_Code_of_Practice_October_2015_update_V6..pdf

    18.10 So that disabled motorists can decide whether they want to
    use the site, there should be at least one sign containing the
    terms and conditions for parking that can be viewed without
    needing to leave the vehicle. Ideally this sign should be close
    to any parking bays set aside for disabled motorists.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • positiveR
    • By positiveR 26th Feb 17, 1:22 AM
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    Done, thank you
    • devonlad
    • By devonlad 1st Mar 17, 2:13 PM
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    sorry positiver, i posted my appeal on here instead of my thread. have removed. good luck with PP.
    The word about the scammers is spreading like marmite here in the westcountry.
    We workers all love it and the ppc hate it
    • positiveR
    • By positiveR 20th Mar 17, 10:33 PM
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    Quick update....not heard anything from POPLA but have just received a small rainforest worth of paper from Premier Park with a copy of the "evidence" they have submitted to POPLA. Not bothered to read it yet as not heard back from POPLA.
    • RobinofLoxley
    • By RobinofLoxley 20th Mar 17, 11:33 PM
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    You need to read every page of PP's evidence carefully and put together a rebuttal to send to POPLA for adding to your case file. You need to pick holes wherever you can in their evidence and point out any errors or discrepancies to the assessor, though you aren't supposed to go over anything you said in your original appeal. You have just 7 days to get your rebuttal in.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 20th Mar 17, 11:38 PM
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    Quick update....not heard anything from POPLA but have just received a small rainforest worth of paper from Premier Park with a copy of the "evidence" they have submitted to POPLA. Not bothered to read it yet as not heard back from POPLA.
    Originally posted by positiveR
    As above, this is rebuttal stage (covered umpteen hundred times all over the forum in other POPLA cases) and you only have seven days.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • positiveR
    • By positiveR 21st Mar 17, 12:44 PM
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    So do I need to do this now, or when I get a reply from POPLA? Because, please correct me if I'm wrong, even if I lose the POPLA verdict, they can still take a running jump for "their money"???
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 21st Mar 17, 2:29 PM
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    Now...rebuttal of evidence, like in all other POPLA threads. Do you want to win? Focus the Assessor's mind by pointing out the flaws.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • positiveR
    • By positiveR 21st Mar 17, 8:21 PM
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    OK I do appreciate all your help but I am sitting here in a Travelodge before an important interview tomorrow, and was actually away when the paperwork arrived - it was dated 14th March, I only opened it on Sunday and am now away again so I'm out of time anyway. As I said, even if I lose, I don't have to pay do I?
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 22nd Mar 17, 5:23 AM
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    As I said, even if I lose, I don't have to pay do I?
    You only have to pay it if a judge tells you you must.

    http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/Premier_Park.html

    Best get it killed off at POPLA, then there's no risk of having an appointment with a judge.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • positiveR
    • By positiveR 22nd Mar 17, 9:21 PM
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    Well just got to wait and see now, I'll update when I hear from POPLA.
    • positiveR
    • By positiveR 7th Jun 17, 11:35 PM
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    And still heard nothing from POPLA- do they contact you either way or is "no news, good news"?
    • Redx
    • By Redx 7th Jun 17, 11:38 PM
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    you should have heard within 3 to 6 weeks , so I suggest you contact them tomorrow and quote the popla reference and ask where the decision is
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 7th Jun 17, 11:43 PM
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    Check your Junk Mail folder, although if it's anything like mine, it auto-deletes after about 10 days.

    If nothing there, do as Redx advises.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • positiveR
    • By positiveR 8th Jun 17, 1:41 PM
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    No nothing in any email folders so will contact them; although in a way kind of want to keep under the radar BUT if I actively chase them then that might go in my favour???
    • Redx
    • By Redx 8th Jun 17, 4:23 PM
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    there is little point in leaving it as its probably been decided weeks ago

    we can only advise you what to do , you are asking us about something only POPLA can tell you , so ask them , phone them , email them , contact them (stop faffing around)
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • positiveR
    • By positiveR 8th Jun 17, 10:51 PM
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    It wasn't a question of "faffing about" - I actually did put it out my mind until clearing my desk and finding the NTK. I did everything by the book, met all the deadlines etc, it was up to them to get back to me.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 8th Jun 17, 10:53 PM
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    Redx
    which they may well have done but until you ask them you wont know

    you could have rung them up today , but you havent !!

    remember , you asked us , so dont shoot the messenger

    you should have just done it , no need to ask us at all
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • positiveR
    • By positiveR 9th Jun 17, 12:57 PM
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    No they didn't get back to me, else I wouldn't have asked on here in the first place. I'm not 'shooting the messenger", but I do disagree that I should be chasing this
    • Redx
    • By Redx 9th Jun 17, 2:43 PM
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    Redx
    No they didn't get back to me, else I wouldn't have asked on here in the first place. I'm not 'shooting the messenger", but I do disagree that I should be chasing this
    Originally posted by positiveR
    fair enough , you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine

    mine is that you are faffing around when a simple phone call or email could resolve it one way or the other , even though you should not need to chase it up

    I think you will find that most people on here will agree with me on this point which is why you have had no other replies and EXPERIENCED people have thanked my replies
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
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