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    • garysmith101
    • By garysmith101 31st Jan 17, 10:41 AM
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    Appeal? A S Parking PCN/NTK
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    • 31st Jan 17, 10:41 AM
    Appeal? A S Parking PCN/NTK 31st Jan 17 at 10:41 AM
    Hi There,

    I have a similar issue with the same company in the below thread:
    forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5122002

    This thread is from a few years ago and now closed but I would be interested to hear if their appeal was successful or what happened!

    My car broke down near the petrol station at Chiverton cross just before xmas so I thought I would safely roll into one of the Starbucks parking spaces rather than leave it on the station's forecourt (without realising you are not allowed to park there out of hours).

    I then got my brother pick me up and take me to my Dad's house so i could pick up his jump leads etc so i could get my car started.

    I came back to find a PCN attached to my windscreen as "I was parked outside of trading hours". I decided not to pay the discounted price of £60 and yesterday received a NTK asking for £100 - the NTK actually states my period of parking was 20:26:29 to 20:26:57 - only 26 seconds!!!

    I have been having a look around online and my first thought was to just ignore it as saw a lot of articles suggesting this company "A S parking" won't take it as far as court! But after reading a few of the threads on here and the seeing the one mentioned above i'm now thinking appealing (without acknowledging being the driver) and a complaint letter to Starbucks may be the best option?

    I have read a load of the newbie stuff and presume i should use the IPC appeal template and then complain to Starbucks? Only issue is i don't have any sort of proof of what happened.

    I was going to attach a copy of the NTK but i'm not able to add attachments. Any suggestions or recommendations on what I should do?

    Cheers
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 31st Jan 17, 10:52 AM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 10:52 AM
    do as you said

    appeal to A.S. Parking using the IPC template and add a note that the vehicle had broken down

    DO NOT reveal who was driving , its a secret (so edit post #1)

    complain to the retailer (as keeper) stating the vehicle had broken down and you were arranging recovery

    you cannot add attachments here, its not a file hosting site , its a free site

    host pics on a web hosting site , like tinypic or photobucket and add a dead weblink in your reply, changing http to hxxp (yes its that simple)

    redact the pictures so all personal info , references and reg plate are obscured though

    ignore any thread over 15 months old , due to the BEAVIS case (which does not apply here)
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 31st Jan 17, 10:58 AM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 10:58 AM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 10:58 AM
    Complain to restaurant as above, tell them what happened, and that they must contact their agents, the parking company and tell them to cancel, as well as cease processing your data
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 31st Jan 17, 12:20 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 12:20 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 12:20 PM
    I have been having a look around online and my first thought was to just ignore it as saw a lot of articles suggesting this company "A S parking" won't take it as far as court!
    Originally posted by garysmith101
    They make a pig's ear of it but they do try:

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/as-parking-youve-been-gladstoned.html

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/as-parking-gladstoned-again.html

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/as-parking-ang-gladstones-scam-exposed.html

    Complain to the landowner and send a challenge to AS Parking to show the PCN is not being ignored (looks better in court later). Follow the NEWBIES thread advice and do not state who was driving. The challenge comes from the registered keeper as per the sticky thread advice.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • garysmith101
    • By garysmith101 31st Jan 17, 1:20 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 1:20 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 1:20 PM
    Thanks guys,

    So I have spoken to the manager of the Starbucks where the car was parked. He seemed quite helpful and asked me to email him over a picture of the original parking ticket which he will forward on to A S parking and ask them to cancel it. Although he did say he they still can still say no and he was not 100% confident they would do anything about it. Sounds like he has had to deal with things like this quite a bit!

    So I guess that's a start and at least I will have something from Starbucks on my side if this does go further,

    Do you think it's still worth writing my appeal whilst I wait for a response on this?

    Cheers
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 31st Jan 17, 2:03 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 2:03 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 2:03 PM
    Yes if you have a NTK which only offers 21 days to 'appeal' then don't miss that deadline to at least get a challenge in, mention (WITHOUT SAYING WHO WAS DRIVING) that the car was broken down and that Starbucks are supporting the cancellation of the charge.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 31st Jan 17, 2:35 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 2:35 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 2:35 PM
    Thanks guys,

    So I have spoken to the manager of the Starbucks where the car was parked. He seemed quite helpful and asked me to email him over a picture of the original parking ticket which he will forward on to A S parking and ask them to cancel it. Although he did say he they still can still say no and he was not 100% confident they would do anything about it. Sounds like he has had to deal with things like this quite a bit!

    So I guess that's a start and at least I will have something from Starbucks on my side if this does go further,

    Do you think it's still worth writing my appeal whilst I wait for a response on this?

    Cheers
    Originally posted by garysmith101
    It's a copy and paste using the template from the NEWBIES thread as it is already written for you. There is no need to write your own as you may inadvertently reveal who was driving if you do.
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    • garysmith101
    • By garysmith101 31st Jan 17, 2:51 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 2:51 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 2:51 PM
    Ok thanks,

    The NTK actually states the 21 days to appeal has now elapsed and I can only appeal under exceptional circumstances!

    So just to confirm, this is the one i should be using (does the fact i have already had the NTK change anything??) and mention on it about the email from Starbucks?
    (They are a member of the IPC, well they have their icon at the bottom of their letter)

    "Dear {name of IPC member - only IPC members for this version!!!}

    Re PCN number:

    I am the keeper of the vehicle and am aware of your purported 'parking charge'. The driver will not be identified. I require the following information so that I can make an informed decision:

    1. Who is the party that contracted with your company?
    2. Is your charge based on damages for breach of contract? Answer yes or no.
    3. Please provide photos of the signs that you say were on site and which you contend formed a contract with the driver.
    4. Please provide all photographs taken of this vehicle.
    5. Please provide proof that the timing of any camera used was synchronised with all other cameras and/or systems & machines.

    Do not send debt collector letters and do not add any costs which would be a thinly-veiled attempt at 'double recovery'. I will not respond to debt collectors and to involve a third party would be a failure to mitigate your costs as well as deliberate and knowing misuse of my data.

    Should you obtain the registered keeper's data from the DVLA without reasonable cause (e.g. if you do not fully comply with the IPC Code of Practice in terms of signage at this site, for example) please take this as formal notice that I reserve the right to sue your company and the landowner/principal, for a sum not less than £250 for any Data Protection Act breach.

    For the avoidance of doubt, I do not give you consent to process data relating to me or this vehicle, whether you have already obtained it or not. I deny liability for any sum at all and you must consider this letter a Section 10 Notice under the DPA. You are required to respond within 21 days.

    Yours faithfully,






    ************************************************** ***************************************** "

    Thanks for your help guys
    • Redx
    • By Redx 31st Jan 17, 3:03 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 3:03 PM
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    • 31st Jan 17, 3:03 PM
    if its a postal notice (NTK) then just appeal as KEEPER anyway

    they will probably reject it anyway, but YOU are creating a paper trail here, showing any future court that you tried to deal with it (whereas they dont like it if you ignore these things and it gets to court before you take it seriously)

    so appeal as KEEPER , regardless

    and DEFINITELY add the info about starbucks supporting the cancellation of the charge , without stupidly revealing who was driving
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 31st Jan 17, 3:04 PM
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    Yes and add:

    (WITHOUT SAYING WHO WAS DRIVING) that the car was broken down and that Starbucks are supporting the cancellation of the charge.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • garysmith101
    • By garysmith101 15th Feb 17, 10:47 AM
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    Ok I replied to the previously mentioned NTK using the template from the other thread and A S S Parking have replied as per the image below:

    imgur.com/a/l7JH0

    Any suggestions on what i do next?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th Feb 17, 10:53 AM
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    Nothing, ignore all their kicking and screaming - do not reply - and if Starbucks can't cancel, find out who can (overall landowner).
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • garysmith101
    • By garysmith101 10th Mar 17, 1:36 PM
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    I have now received a third letter from them:

    imgur.com/a/9YImT

    Should i carry on ignoring it or any other suggestions?

    For the record I no longer own the car this ticket relates to or live at the address they have for me!
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Mar 17, 12:35 AM
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    imgur.com/a/9YImT

    Ignore that, but start reading all Gladstones defence cases in readiness, because you have so much in defence explained in your first post above. Well worth defending at claim stage, so inform yourself in advance rather than panicking if and when a small claims court form arrives in a few weeks.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 11th Mar 17, 7:53 AM
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    I have now received a third letter from them:

    imgur.com/a/9YImT

    Should i carry on ignoring it or any other suggestions?

    For the record I no longer own the car this ticket relates to or live at the address they have for me!
    Originally posted by garysmith101
    Do you have total and immediate access to any mail going to your previous address? You need to beware of court proceedings being issued there (especially as there are very tight deadlines to deal with them), because if you don't get them forwarded to you, it's likely there'll be a default judgment against you, wrecking your credit-worthiness.

    AS Parking have 6 years to pursue you and are 'court frisky' at the moment.

    http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/Athens_Security_Services.html
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 11-03-2017 at 8:02 AM.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

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    • garysmith101
    • By garysmith101 13th Mar 17, 10:04 AM
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    Thanks guys,

    Yeah I have access to my previous address so will still receive the mail.

    I will read up on the defence claims mentioned. Will the fact that I didn't appeal when i first received the ticket work against me? I have no idea how all this claim court stuff works so will start reading up on it
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Mar 17, 1:13 PM
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    Will the fact that I didn't appeal when i first received the ticket work against me?
    Not at all in terms of appeal and even if this was a small claim, you'd state you considered it a scam; demanding £100 for 26 seconds!
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • garysmith101
    • By garysmith101 28th Mar 17, 10:37 AM
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    So after expecting a claims court form, yesterday I received a debt recovery plus letter which was seemingly more interested in making sure they had the new address for me more than anything else (still got my post code wrong though!).

    After reading the many threads about debt recovery plus on here I presume my best bet is to just ignore this letter and wait for the letters from them to pile up?

    imgur.com/a/XXok1
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 28th Mar 17, 1:59 PM
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    Yup, ignore.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

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