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    • the_wheels_have_fallen_of
    • By the_wheels_have_fallen_of 23rd Jan 17, 9:58 PM
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    ECP Appeal Rejected after following MSE Advice
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    • 23rd Jan 17, 9:58 PM
    ECP Appeal Rejected after following MSE Advice 23rd Jan 17 at 9:58 PM
    Hello Fellow PCN fighters !!

    I received a PCN from Euro Car Parks in December 2016. I appealed on their website as per advice in the newbie section and did not disclose the registered keeper.

    They have written back to me to say that my appeal has been rejected (hard copy letter) and that by law I have to disclose the registered keeper and am to pay their reduced £50 fine.

    I have looked through various threads here and is it correct that my next recourse is to go to POPLA ?

    Thanks !
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Mar 17, 10:43 PM
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    Yes and showing ISPA the inconsistencies in the other decisions, especially the one from the same week, same car park, same contract.

    I don't expect ISPA to do anything as they are winding down but they are still there this month so add to the complaints files.
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    • the_wheels_have_fallen_of
    • By the_wheels_have_fallen_of 13th Mar 17, 11:23 PM
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    Yes and showing ISPA the inconsistencies in the other decisions, especially the one from the same week, same car park, same contract.

    I don't expect ISPA to do anything as they are winding down but they are still there this month so add to the complaints files.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Will do - will post planned complaint to the ISPA for review here tomorrow night.... Ill tackle DVLA, Warrington Borough Council etc another night; It looks like theres loads of info on the stickies for DPA complaints etc that I can use ...
    • the_wheels_have_fallen_of
    • By the_wheels_have_fallen_of 14th Mar 17, 10:37 AM
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    Proposed Complaint to ISPA
    Comments please if poss !

    Dear ISPA

    I am writing to you to complain about my recent experiences with POPLA and to report some serious procedural errors and inconsistences with decisions that POPLA adjudicators have made within the last 12 months regarding Church Farm Car Park, Stockton Heath, Warrington which is ran by Euro Car Parks, specifically on landowner authority – same contract, same car park – in fact, one of my pieces of evidence around inconsistencies was regarding a rebuttal to ECP evidence which was submitted on the same day as I submitted and yet was allowed on Landowner authority – yet my appeal – on Landowner authority was rejected.


    Its is clear that POPLA have performed poorly in this case and have not been effective in considering ALL points that I raised and have been biased only to those raised by the car park operator, Euro Car Parks.


    The POPLA assessor has made a fundamental procedural error in not allowing my appeal on landowner authority when it is easily demonstrated that Euro Car Parks have no standing authority to form contracts with drivers in this particular car park.


    I have enclosed the relevant artefacts appertaining to this case as follows:


    1. Original complaint to ECP
    2. Original complaint to POPLA
    3. ECP Evidence Pack
    4. Rebuttal to ECP Evidence Pack
    5. POPLA Decision
    6. Complaint to Mr Gallagher, Lead Adjudicator - POPLA

    This can be referenced, as per my research of successful POPLA appeals in the public domain during the last year (POPLA references 2410986482, 2410337543 and 2413376910)


    Additionally, having researched information in the public domain regarding planning permission sought by Euro Car Parks in 2011 with Warrington Council, it is clear that Euro Car Parks do not have any landowner authority to form contracts with drivers at Church Farm, Stockton Heath nor to pursue charges. I quote from Euro Car Parks’ original planning application:


    The site is the car park for Church Farm Retail Park which has a number of retail shops and
    restaurants around the car park. The site is managed by Burley Development Group. The
    ANPR will be used to monitor any entry and exit to the site. This information will be used to
    see the flow of traffic within the car park and allow retailers to identify busy shopping periods.
    It will also be used as a security measure to monitor vehicle registrations.”



    Notwithstanding the legal issues here surrounding landowner authority, I wish to also complain about POPLA’s ignorance of other inaccuracies in the evidence pack that was provided by ECP.


    The evidence pack that was provided was clearly a cut and shut, cut and paste job that was fraught with incaccuracies; the POPLA assessor did not consider this point at all in his case review and it is clear due to the poor pack that was provided by ECP that this was a template that has been generically applied and has been cut and pasted from other evidence packs.


    There are also inaccuracies in the parking hours/terms and conditions of parking – again which the POPLA assessor chose to ignore. Namely ECP state in their evidence pack that terms and conditions of parking are maximum 2 hours from 0600 – 2159, yet further on in the document refers to the parking conditions are 1.5 hours. More inaccuracies that cannot be relied upon – which is correct ?!


    ECP also states that an official appeal representation was received by xxxx (Appellant) on 13 November 2016 – bizarrely, this is 10 days before the alleged parking offence was committed on 23 November 2016!


    Additionally, as well as writing to complain to Mr Gallagher, Lead Adjudicator at POPLA, I have now also complained to the DVLA as Euro Car Parks have no landowner or legal authority to pursue charges at this car park and a Breach of the Data Protection Act has occurred which I have complained to the DVLA for breach of Kadoe Contract.


    I have also complained to the Landowner, Burley Developments, that Euro Car Parks have no standing to issue or pursue charges at this car park and I have also reported Euro Car Parks to Warrington Borough Council as Euro Car Parks are in breach of planning permission.


    I look forward to hearing your considered response, bearing in mind the overwhelming evidence that I have provided that my Appeal to POPLA should have been upheld.
    • Loadsofchildren123
    • By Loadsofchildren123 14th Mar 17, 2:15 PM
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    Comments please if poss !

    Dear ISPA

    I am writing to you to complain about my recent experiences with POPLA and to report xsomex a number of serious procedural errors and inconsistences xwithx in a number of decisions that POPLA adjudicators have made within the last 12 months regarding Church Farm Car Park, Stockton Heath, Warrington. The car park is run xwhich is ranx by Euro Car Parks, specifically on landowner authority – all of the appeals considered in the last 12 months therefore concern the same contract, and the same car park. [start a new sentence here as it's getting confusing]iIn fact, one of my pieces of evidence xaroundx concerning inconsistencies was regarding a rebuttal to ECP evidence xwhich wasx submitted by another appellant on the same day as xIx my appeal was submitted - that appeal xand yetx was allowed on Landowner authority xx. Yyet my appeal – relying on the same issue of Landowner authority - was rejected.

    [if you are able to specify the other appeals which were successful on landowner authority, including the one you mention above, give the details so it is easy for Popla to look at them when considering your complaint - you mention these below, I think it is better to include them up here]

    Its is clear that POPLA have performed poorly in this case and have not been effective in considering ALL points that I raised and have been biased only to those raised by the car park operator, Euro Car Parks. The issue of landowner authority has been applied in an entirely inconsistent manner by POPLA - in some cases you have accepted that there is no such authority, in other cases you have rejected the same argument.


    The POPLA assessor has made a fundamental procedural error in not allowing my appeal on landowner authority when it is easily demonstrated that Euro Car Parks have no standing authority to form contracts with drivers in this particular car park (a matter which POPLA has accepted in many other appeals concerning the same car park, the same landowner, the same parking company and the same alleged contract).


    I have enclosed the relevant xartefactsx documents appertaining to this case as follows:


    1. Original complaint to ECP
    2. Original complaint to POPLA
    3. ECP Evidence Pack
    4. Rebuttal to ECP Evidence Pack
    5. POPLA Decision
    6. Complaint to Mr Gallagher, Lead Adjudicator - POPLA

    This can be referenced, as per my research of successful POPLA appeals in the public domain during the last year (POPLA references 2410986482, 2410337543 and 2413376910)


    Additionally, having researched information in the public domain regarding planning permission sought by Euro Car Parks in 2011 with Warrington Council, it is clear that Euro Car Parks do not have any landowner authority to form contracts with drivers at Church Farm, Stockton Heath nor to pursue charges. I quote from Euro Car Parks’ original planning application:

    The site is the car park for Church Farm Retail Park which has a number of retail shops and
    restaurants around the car park. The site is managed by Burley Development Group. The
    ANPR will be used to monitor any entry and exit to the site. This information will be used to
    see the flow of traffic within the car park and allow retailers to identify busy shopping periods.
    It will also be used as a security measure to monitor vehicle registrations.”



    It is clear, therefore, that planning consent was applied for (and therefore granted) only in relation to monitoring vehicles in order to ease the flow of traffic and to identify busy periods, and for security - it was not applied for so that cars could be ticketed and drivers penalised.


    Notwithstanding the legal issues here surrounding landowner authority, I wish to also complain about POPLA’s ignorance of other inaccuracies in the evidence pack that was provided by ECP.


    The evidence pack that was provided was clearly a cut and shut, cut and paste job that was fraught with incaccuracies; the POPLA assessor did not consider this point at all in his case review and it is clear due to the poor pack that was provided by ECP that this was a template that has been generically applied and has been cut and pasted from other evidence packs.


    There are also inaccuracies in the parking hours/terms and conditions of parking – again which the POPLA assessor chose to ignore for no justifiable reason. Namely ECP state in their evidence pack that terms and conditions of parking are maximum 2 hours from 0600 – 2159, yet further on in the document refers to the parking conditions are 1.5 hours. More inaccuracies that cannot be relied upon – which is correct ?!

    ECP also states that an official appeal representation was received by xxxx (Appellant) on 13 November 2016 – bizarrely, this is 10 days before the alleged parking offence was committed on 23 November 2016!

    Additionally, as well as writing to complain to Mr Gallagher, Lead Adjudicator at POPLA, I have now also complained to the DVLA as Euro Car Parks have no landowner or legal authority to pursue charges at this car park and a Breach of the Data Protection Act has occurred which I have complained to the DVLA for breach of Kadoe Contract.

    I have also complained to the Landowner, Burley Developments, that Euro Car Parks have no standing to issue or pursue charges at this car park and I have also reported Euro Car Parks to Warrington Borough Council as Euro Car Parks are in breach of planning permission.

    I look forward to hearing your considered response, bearing in mind the overwhelming evidence that I have provided that my Appeal to POPLA should have been upheld.
    Originally posted by the_wheels_have_fallen_of


    I've suggested a few changes, hope they help
    • Loadsofchildren123
    • By Loadsofchildren123 14th Mar 17, 2:16 PM
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    PS a fellow forum user showed me how to strikeout wording in a quoted post, but I was in a hurry so haven't done that, but I've put x's around words I think should be deleted.
    • the_wheels_have_fallen_of
    • By the_wheels_have_fallen_of 14th Mar 17, 2:19 PM
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    PS a fellow forum user showed me how to strikeout wording in a quoted post, but I was in a hurry so haven't done that, but I've put x's around words I think should be deleted.
    Originally posted by Loadsofchildren123
    Amazing @loadsofchildren !! Thanks so much for your advice on this !! I will update it and post it here for reference and final checking, in case I have made any glaringly obvious mistakes !
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    • By DoaM 14th Mar 17, 3:19 PM
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    [ s ][ /s ] tags (without the spaces).
    Diary of a madman
    Walk the line again today
    Entries of confusion
    Dear diary, I'm here to stay
    • the_wheels_have_fallen_of
    • By the_wheels_have_fallen_of 14th Mar 17, 8:59 PM
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    2nd ISPA Draft Complaint
    Amazing @loadsofchildren !! Thanks so much for your advice on this !! I will update it and post it here for reference and final checking, in case I have made any glaringly obvious mistakes !
    Originally posted by the_wheels_have_fallen_of
    Dear Regulars (eg Coupon-mad, loadsofchildren, fruitcake, redX etc) please now see 2nd ISPA attempt after taking advice from @loadsofchildren123:

    I am writing to you to complain about my recent experiences with POPLA and to report a number of serious procedural errors and inconsistences in a number of decisions that POPLA adjudicators have made within the last 12 months regarding Church Farm Car Park, Stockton Heath, Warrington, specifically on landowner authority. The car park is run by Euro Car Parks,– all of the appeals considered in the last 12 months therefore concern the same contract, and the same car park.

    In fact, one of my pieces of evidence concerning inconsistencies was regarding a rebuttal to ECP evidence submitted by another appellant on the same day as my appeal was submitted - that appeal was allowed on Landowner authority. Yet my appeal – relying on the same issue of Landowner authority - was rejected.


    This can be referenced, as per my research of successful POPLA appeals in the public domain during the last year (POPLA references 2410986482, 2410337543 and 2413376910). These three appeals were all successful on landowner authority.

    It is clear that POPLA have performed poorly in this case and have not been effective in considering ALL points that I raised and have been biased only to those raised by the car park operator, Euro Car Parks. The issue of landowner authority has been applied in an entirely inconsistent manner by POPLA - in some cases you have accepted that there is no such authority, in other cases you have rejected the same argument.

    The POPLA assessor has made a fundamental procedural error in not allowing my appeal on landowner authority when it is easily demonstrated that Euro Car Parks have no standing authority to form contracts with drivers in this particular car park (a matter which POPLA has accepted in many other appeals concerning the same car park, the same landowner, the same parking company and the same alleged contract).

    I have enclosed the relevant documents appertaining to this case as follows:

    1. Original complaint to ECP
    2. Original complaint to POPLA
    3. ECP Evidence Pack
    4. Rebuttal to ECP Evidence Pack
    5. POPLA Decision
    6. Complaint to Mr Gallagher, Lead Adjudicator - POPLA

    Additionally, having researched information in the public domain regarding planning permission sought by Euro Car Parks in 2011 with Warrington Council, it is clear that Euro Car Parks do not have any landowner authority to form contracts with drivers at Church Farm, Stockton Heath nor to pursue charges. I quote from Euro Car Parks’ original planning application:

    The site is the car park for Church Farm Retail Park which has a number of retail shops and restaurants around the car park. The site is managed by Burley Development Group. The ANPR will be used to monitor any entry and exit to the site. This information will be used to see the flow of traffic within the car park and allow retailers to identify busy shopping periods.It will also be used as a security measure to monitor vehicle registrations.”

    It is clear, therefore, that planning consent was applied for (and therefore granted) only in relation to monitoring vehicles in order to ease the flow of traffic and to identify busy periods, and for security - it was not applied for so that cars could be ticketed and drivers penalised.


    Notwithstanding the legal issues here surrounding landowner authority, I wish to also complain about POPLA’s ignorance of other inaccuracies in the evidence pack that was provided by ECP.

    The evidence pack that was provided was clearly a cut and shut, cut and paste job that was fraught with incaccuracies; the POPLA assessor did not consider this point at all in his case review and it is clear due to the poor pack that was provided by ECP that this was a template that has been generically applied and has been cut and pasted from other evidence packs.

    There are also inaccuracies in the parking hours/terms and conditions of parking – again which the POPLA assessor chose to ignore for no justifiable reason.
    Namely, ECP state in their evidence pack that terms and conditions of parking are maximum 2 hours from 0600 – 2159, yet further on in the document refers to the parking conditions are 1.5 hours. More inaccuracies that cannot be relied upon – which is correct ?!ECP also states that an official appeal representation was received by xxxx (Appellant) on 13 November 2016 – bizarrely, this is 10 days before the alleged parking offence was committed on 23 November 2016!

    Additionally, as well as writing to complain to Mr Gallagher, Lead Adjudicator at POPLA, I have now also complained to the DVLA as Euro Car Parks have no landowner or legal authority to pursue charges at this car park and a Breach of the Data Protection Act has occurred which I have complained to the ICO and DVLA for breach of KADOE Contract.

    I have also complained to the Landowner, Burley Developments, that Euro Car Parks have no standing to issue or pursue charges at this car park and I have also reported Euro Car Parks to Warrington Borough Council as Euro Car Parks are in breach of their terms of planning permission.

    I look forward to hearing your considered response, bearing in mind the overwhelming evidence that I have provided that my Appeal to POPLA should have been upheld.


    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th Mar 17, 2:12 PM
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    Yes get it sent seeing as ISPA are clearing their desks as we speak!
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • the_wheels_have_fallen_of
    • By the_wheels_have_fallen_of 15th Mar 17, 4:14 PM
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    I sent it this morning @Coupon-Mad - looks like I might have missed the boat... this is the response I got back .... Ive written back asking does that mean that they wont hear any more complaints ....

    Thank you for your communication. I regret to advise you that due to the withdrawal of our funding ISPA is in the process of closing down. Further information is given at http://www.ispa.co.uk/news/article/29/ispa-closure


    Douglas Campbell OBE FCA CertMgmt(Open)

    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th Mar 17, 10:16 PM
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    Never mind, it was just another one for the pile. They can't overturn decisions. Keep the pressure on POPLA when you get that 'whilst we understand your disappointment' reply from the 'POPLA Team' who reckon their Assessor did no wrong.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • the_wheels_have_fallen_of
    • By the_wheels_have_fallen_of 15th Mar 17, 10:20 PM
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    Never mind, it was just another one for the pile. They can't overturn decisions. Keep the pressure on POPLA when you get that 'whilst we understand your disappointment' reply from the 'POPLA Team' who reckon their Assessor did no wrong.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Yes C-M and thanks for all your support - just couldnt have got this far without your help and the other regulars. Ill let you know how the POPLA complaint goes - hopefully not with a "whilst we understand your dispappointment" guff of a response ....
    • Loadsofchildren123
    • By Loadsofchildren123 16th Mar 17, 9:31 AM
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    Is POPLA subject to the Freedom of Information Act?
    If it is, make a FOI request for information:
    1. How many successful appeals have there been citing landowner authority in relation to that site over the last 24 months;
    2. How many unsuccessful appeals have there been citing landowner authority in relation to that site over the last 24 months;
    3. How many complaints has POPLA received in relation to their decisions in relation to the site over the last 24 months;
    Add anything else you can think of.
    Organisations hate requests like this.
    • Castle
    • By Castle 16th Mar 17, 10:29 AM
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    Castle
    Is POPLA subject to the Freedom of Information Act?
    If it is, make a FOI request for information:
    1. How many successful appeals have there been citing landowner authority in relation to that site over the last 24 months;
    2. How many unsuccessful appeals have there been citing landowner authority in relation to that site over the last 24 months;
    3. How many complaints has POPLA received in relation to their decisions in relation to the site over the last 24 months;
    Add anything else you can think of.
    Organisations hate requests like this.
    Originally posted by Loadsofchildren123
    POPLA is not subject to the Freedom of Information Act.
    • Loadsofchildren123
    • By Loadsofchildren123 16th Mar 17, 10:34 AM
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    Thank you Castle. That's a shame. An organisation like that really should be accountable by being subject to the FOI.
    • Castle
    • By Castle 16th Mar 17, 10:48 AM
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    Thank you Castle. That's a shame. An organisation like that really should be accountable by being subject to the FOI.
    Originally posted by Loadsofchildren123
    Well there used to be the ISPA which was supposed to provide oversight of POPLA, but the BPA have closed them down as from 31st March.
    • Loadsofchildren123
    • By Loadsofchildren123 16th Mar 17, 11:20 AM
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    Well we all know the whole industry is a shower. One would hope that with some lobbying they'd make POPLA subject to the FOI now the ISPA is gone, but we all know that the government will always have bigger priorities.
    • the_wheels_have_fallen_of
    • By the_wheels_have_fallen_of 16th Mar 17, 11:41 AM
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    Well we all know the whole industry is a shower. One would hope that with some lobbying they'd make POPLA subject to the FOI now the ISPA is gone, but we all know that the government will always have bigger priorities.
    Originally posted by Loadsofchildren123
    Thanks Castle and Loadsof .... I still feel like not giving up - I did send an appeal to ISPA but they wrote to me last night to say that they unfortunately cant accept any new complaints due to wind down etc..

    I will of course, post when I see what our friends at POPLA come back with post my secondary complaint ... the whole thing is a farce
    • the_wheels_have_fallen_of
    • By the_wheels_have_fallen_of 20th Mar 17, 8:08 PM
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    POPLA Answer to my Secondary Complaint
    Dear Parking Ticket Forum Regulars....

    I got a response to my complaint to Mr Gallagher today .... are you ready for this ???

    Dear Miss XXX

    I have been asked to look into your recent email on behalf of Mr John Gallagher.
    Having looked at your email, I note that you dispute the decision made by our assessor and have requested that we review this with a view to changing it.


    Please note POPLA is a one-stage process and our policy is that we should not change a decision because either party disputes the assessor’s decision. The only situation in which we may reconsider an appeal is if there has been a procedural error - for example – if we failed to allow a motorist to comment on an operator’s evidence pack.



    Within your letter dated 13 March 2017, you have stated that you feel our assessor made a procedural error, as you do not believe Euro Car Parks has authority to form contracts with the drivers of this particular car park.



    Furthermore, I note that you have stated that you can provide references for other decisions POPLA has made regarding this point.


    In relation to this, I would firstly advise that POPLA makes decisions on a case-by-case basis. As such, while I appreciate your offer to provide case references, that will not be necessary.


    In terms of the decision itself, I note the assessor has correctly identified that within your initial grounds of appeal, you questioned if Euro Car Parks had the appropriate authority to operate on the land in question.


    In order to decide on this point, the assessor has referenced Section 7 of the British Parking Association’s Code of Practice before stating as follows:
    “The operator has provided a copy of the landowner contract. I have reviewed this and I am satisfied that it complies with the BPA Code of Practice and the operator had authority to act on the land on the day in question.”
    Therefore, it is clear that the assessor has not made a procedural error in relation to this aspect of your appeal. The assessor has considered the evidence provided before reaching his decision.
    In addition to this point, you have also stated that you do not feel our assessor has considered your appeal or rebuttal properly.


    As such, I have looked at the issues raised within your initial appeal and rebuttal and note that they are as follows:
    1.The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact liable for the charge.
    2.Euro Car Parks have no standing or authority to form contracts with drivers in this particular car park, nor to pursue charges
    3.The ANPR system is Unreliable and Neither Synchronized nor Accurate
    4.Incorrect use of Fairlie vs Fenton 1870
    5.Lack of signage - unclear signage – no contract with driver - no adequate notice of the charge, maximum stay nor grace period.
    6.Unfair terms of contract
    7.The Charge is Punitive
    Having considered the above, I note that our assessor has referenced each ground of appeal within the “assessor summary of appellant case” field.
    Furthermore, I note within the “assessor summary of reasons” field, the assessor has addressed each of the above. As advised above, POPLA is a one-stage process and we would only look to change a decision if a procedural error has occurred.
    While I note you disagree with the conclusions reached by our assessor, it is clear that no procedural error has taken place in relation to your appeal and because of this, we would not look to change the decision.
    Kind Regards,
    Greg Byron
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    • By Umkomaas 20th Mar 17, 8:21 PM
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    Should ECP proceed to court, who would appear on behalf of POPLA to put the points they have made to the Judge when you join them in your case?

    Ask them to forward contact details of the POPLA representative who will appear in the county court (hopefully you're miles away from Warrington, if so, state your nearest CC) - would that be Greg Byron, the actual POPLA Assessor who made the adjudication or John Gallagher himself? A bit of bluff, but as your request for a reassessment fell on stony ground, no harm in ruffling a few of their feathers with a tricky question to put them on the spot.
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 20-03-2017 at 8:24 PM.
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