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    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 21st Jan 17, 4:23 PM
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    Compulsory Smart Meters.
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    • 21st Jan 17, 4:23 PM
    Compulsory Smart Meters. 21st Jan 17 at 4:23 PM
    On behalf of mum!

    She came home to a letter, from Eon, saying she had to have a smart meter fitted.

    Des she have to?

    Also how big are they as this seems to be her biggest concern.

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    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 17th May 17, 1:26 PM
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    AFAIAW the energy companies never abandoned standing charges but simply absorbed them into a higher first tier unit price which meant all but the absolute lowest consumption consumer still paid the standing charge.
    Originally posted by molerat
    Yes, maybe it would have been more accurate to have added a 'separate' in that sentence.
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 17th May 17, 1:30 PM
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    Bloke from TOTO came around yesterday saying they'd fit a Smart meter for free etc
    Originally posted by slinga
    For reasons given elsewhere in this thread and forum... if possible you would be better off declining their offer and wait for Smets2 meters to be available. You have a choice, and need to consider whether there is any benefit to you personally of having a smart meter.
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
    • slinga
    • By slinga 17th May 17, 4:12 PM
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    For reasons given elsewhere in this thread and forum... if possible you would be better off declining their offer and wait for Smets2 meters to be available. You have a choice, and need to consider whether there is any benefit to you personally of having a smart meter.
    Originally posted by EachPenny
    Oh there is a benefit, for reasons I won't go into but where do I find the fitting requirements.
    It's your money. Except if it's the governments.
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 17th May 17, 6:12 PM
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    Oh there is a benefit, for reasons I won't go into but where do I find the fitting requirements.
    Originally posted by slinga
    You don't need to know anything about the requirements, the energy company will sort everything out for you and you'll have a nice fully working smart meter without having to worry about a thing. Possibly.

    I think I might just have seen a flying pig, but it is raining too hard to see outside clearly.

    Slightly more seriously, if they can fit a meter they will worry about all the details. You don't have to provide a socket near the meter and it won't have any impact on your phone line. If they cannot fit a smart meter there is very little you can do about it. If that means not being able to user your supplier of choice then you may just have to accept it. From what I understand, you won't know whether a smart meter will work in your home until someone actually tries to fit one.
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
    • slinga
    • By slinga 17th May 17, 9:35 PM
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    From what I understand, you won't know whether a smart meter will work in your home until someone actually tries to fit one.
    Originally posted by EachPenny
    So nobody on here who has had a Smart meter fitted and knows exactly what is required and how they exactly work.
    It's your money. Except if it's the governments.
    • mac.d
    • By mac.d 17th May 17, 10:16 PM
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    My gas and elec meters are under the stairs well away from any phone line or elec sockets.

    I can't find any details of fitting requirements on line either.

    Is an elec socket required in close proximity? I know there is obviously an elec supply through the meter itself.

    And I think I understand that the meter readings are sent to the supplier directly from the meters through something like a phone signal and do not require access to a phone line.
    Originally posted by slinga
    The meters don't need any electric sockets nor a phone line, and there is no standard 'fitting requirement' for smart meters. As long as you don't have a non-standard wiring/meter set-up, and they can get a mobile phone signal for the meter, they will install them.
    • slinga
    • By slinga 18th May 17, 8:27 AM
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    The meters don't need any electric sockets nor a phone line, and there is no standard 'fitting requirement' for smart meters. As long as you don't have a non-standard wiring/meter set-up, and they can get a mobile phone signal for the meter, they will install them.
    Originally posted by mac.d
    Thanks.
    Any size limitations because it's very cramped under my stairs.
    It's your money. Except if it's the governments.
    • lstar337
    • By lstar337 18th May 17, 10:28 AM
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    If my job was writing the Conservative party manifesto then rather than the pointless and counterproductive price cap I would have promised to introduce a national power company offering basic tariffs (as a safety net) in competition with the private sector. This would have been a far more popular initiative with some voters, whilst ensuring those that benefit from privatised competition can still do so. It would also have created a new nationally owned asset ready for privatisation in a few year's time... but that's another story
    Originally posted by EachPenny
    It's in the Labour manifesto, so maybe you should switch side.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 18th May 17, 10:37 AM
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    They could but only foolish are going to vote for the unelectable, whole election was called because it was a free lunch, virtually guaranteed to extend ConGov for 5 more years.
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 18th May 17, 12:24 PM
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    It's in the Labour manifesto, so maybe you should switch side.
    Originally posted by lstar337
    Damn! That's another idea they have stolen off me Although what I saw in the news only mentioned the grid rather than the supply side, so excuse my failure to keep up to date.

    The only side I'm on would be the Monster Raving Loonies... I would happily stand for them on a ticket of free gas and electric for everybody, except for anyone earning over £100k a year.
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
    • lstar337
    • By lstar337 18th May 17, 12:56 PM
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    They could but only foolish are going to vote for the unelectable, whole election was called because it was a free lunch, virtually guaranteed to extend ConGov for 5 more years.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    Been reading the biased press have we?
    • lstar337
    • By lstar337 18th May 17, 12:58 PM
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    Damn! That's another idea they have stolen off me Although what I saw in the news only mentioned the grid rather than the supply side, so excuse my failure to keep up to date.
    Originally posted by EachPenny
    There's a lot in the Labour manifesto that isn't mentioned news, unless it's to bash it of course.
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 18th May 17, 1:35 PM
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    There's a lot in the Labour manifesto that isn't mentioned news, unless it's to bash it of course.
    Originally posted by lstar337
    Ah, but does it qualify as 'news' - if its just a reprint of the 1983 edition?

    Sorry, couldn't resist. I don't think any of the parties currently offer anything that voters can really get excited about. This election may go down in history as the most boring protracted one ever... which is hardly surprising a year on from the Brexit vote.
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 18th May 17, 5:01 PM
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    Ah, but does it qualify as 'news' - if its just a reprint of the 1983 edition?
    Originally posted by EachPenny
    Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto was right wing compared to this 2017 effort. Foot, like Corbyn, was/is patently sincere, but led Labour to their lowest share of the Vote since World War One.

    At least Foot resigned, I wonder if Corbyn will do the same?
    Last edited by Cardew; 18-05-2017 at 5:55 PM.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 18th May 17, 6:55 PM
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    It is only for the ConGov to lose and it would not be the first time that happened.
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
    • PhiltheBear
    • By PhiltheBear 25th Sep 17, 6:39 PM
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    The meters don't need any electric sockets nor a phone line, and there is no standard 'fitting requirement' for smart meters. As long as you don't have a non-standard wiring/meter set-up, and they can get a mobile phone signal for the meter, they will install them.
    Originally posted by mac.d
    The electricity/gas meters (not, as I understand it, water meters) work on a 'mesh' grid system. That means that your meter will talk to your neighbour's meter which will talk to his neighbour's and on and on. Eventually your meter information will reach your supplier. They will do this wirelessly and that means that ALL of those meters will be transmitting and receiving radio waves 24 hours a day. There are over 5000 available studies showing that such radio activity can be dangerous including, but not limited to, causing cancer. They do not emit mobile phone signals - they have their own wavebands.

    Some people are made ill by being near radio activity of this sort - feeling sick, migraine, etc. Once the meter is fitted you cannot get it removed. You <can> ask for the transmission of your data to be taken monthly, rather than every half hour BUT there is no guidance as to whether or not your meter will still form part of the transmitting 'mesh'.

    Irrespective of the ability of the supplier to get a LOT of data about me via a smart meter (there's a long list of data that can be sent or received, it's not just your usage) there are also questions about the obvious easy ability to hack these signals. It is well within the bounds of possibility (read that as probability) that a hacker could turn off huge swathes of meters remotely. Now, imagine they turn off your gas meter - and then turn it back on - while you left the oven on while you are in the garden. BOOM! The suppliers say they won't do it - but they have the ability to. And a hacker doesn't have even the tiny amount of limited scruples that the utility companies do.
    • MothballsWallet
    • By MothballsWallet 25th Sep 17, 7:14 PM
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    Even if the meters have a remote kill switch, it would be a legal nightmare for them to use it. The compensation claims from a hack would put them out of business.

    The advantage for them is that they can tell when you are using energy and charge different amounts at different times (as it costs them different amounts at different times). However I think this is going to be a billing disaster.

    You will still have a meter inspector visit your property.
    Originally posted by phillw
    Especially for some suppliers *cough* npower *cough*
    Always ask yourself one question: What would Gibbs do?
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    • Freepost
    • By Freepost 21st Oct 17, 8:30 AM
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    Buying a new house, do I have to have a smart meter? There is no gas or electricity supply at the house yet and i would prefer not to have a smart meter.
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 21st Oct 17, 8:39 AM
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    Buying a new house, do I have to have a smart meter? There is no gas or electricity supply at the house yet and i would prefer not to have a smart meter.
    Originally posted by Freepost
    That is up to the Developer who will have entered into a meter installation contract. If after moving in you find that a smart meter has been installed, then you can ask for the communications module to be disabled. The meter will then just be a dumb meter.
    • Freepost
    • By Freepost 21st Oct 17, 4:58 PM
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    Thanks but that doesn't answer my question, there is no developer ... only a builder and as far as he is concern I can have what I want I've only got to tell him which supplier I want to go with and they will install the meters. Now, like anybody else I will be attracted to the cheapest supplier but I imagine most energy suppliers will want to install a smart meter but I don't particularly want one, so back to the question "With a new build do I have to have a smart meter installed or can I insist on a conventional meter?"
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