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    • m33r4
    • By m33r4 4th Dec 16, 5:23 PM
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    Letter asking for historic HM Court debt over 8 years after court hearing
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    • 4th Dec 16, 5:23 PM
    Letter asking for historic HM Court debt over 8 years after court hearing 4th Dec 16 at 5:23 PM
    Not sure if this is the right place to post - please move it to the right thread otherwise please mods.
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    Yesterday I received a letter from HM Courts & Tribunals Service, signed by HISTORIC DEBT ENFORCEMENT TEAM, informing me that "There is still an outstanding balance on the above account which was imposed at THE MAGISTRATES COURT on 09.01.2008." The sum is for £240.

    Attached to this letter is a pink "How to pay your fine" double-sided page containing details of a Payment Line, Allpay Card, Direct Debit. I recall receiving a summons to Derby Magistrates court in 2008 for non payment of a bill. I attended Court and was informed it was non payment of TV Licence or SKY (not quite sure). I informed the magistrate that the bill in question was from my previous address in Wembley during the time I was living there and married to my ex-husband. He was the owner of the house and paid all the bills and all utilities were on his name. I was not working, not earning and a full time mum to 3 kids. I informed her I was not responsible for the bills but my ex-husband was. I believe I gave the court his business address. The magistrate noted it all and informed me I was not liable for this bill. I believed that was the end of the case. I never heard back from them since attending court.

    Now over 8 years later, I get the letter I mentioned above (scanned images of all I received are below). What's going on? Is this a scam?



    Last edited by m33r4; 04-12-2016 at 5:36 PM. Reason: To add scanned images of letters, envelope
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    • Rich7111
    • By Rich7111 4th Dec 16, 7:19 PM
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    Personally I'd pay it, it's £240, then deal with it, otherwise, you could be arrested. If you can't afford it in one go, call them explain and offer a monthly payment, you may have to attend courts to arrange this, but then deal with the ifs and buts after.
    • sourcrates
    • By sourcrates 4th Dec 16, 8:44 PM
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    You will not get arrested !!!!!

    Send a letter back stating what you've told us, or ring the number they have provided and explain yourself.

    Looks like a simple clerical error.
    Last edited by sourcrates; 02-07-2017 at 12:55 PM.
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    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 4th Dec 16, 8:47 PM
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    You will not get arrested !!!!! FGS

    Send a letter back stating what you've told us.

    If more than 6 years have passed since judgement the creditor would need to go back to court to enforce there rights.

    Looks like a simple clerical error.
    Originally posted by sourcrates
    No: this is from a magistrate's court, not a country court, so the rules about debts becoming statute-barred do not apply.
    • Ben8282
    • By Ben8282 4th Dec 16, 8:49 PM
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    If this is MAGISTRATES COURT it is a criminal not a civil case. It is nothing to do with non-payment of sky or bills. Non-payment of tv licence is of course criminal. The other possibility is that you have been convicted of some criminal offence or other and have failed to pay the fine.
    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 4th Dec 16, 8:54 PM
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    Since the letter is from a magistrate's court the 'problem' would have concerned a TV license, not Sky.

    When TV licensing find someone using an unlicensed TV, that person (in fact anyone whose name they can get) is held responsible. So when the matter went to court and you gave your explanation that your husband was liable, the magistrate should have told you that your name was on the summons and so you would have to pay.

    It follows that either your memory is wrong, or the magistrate had some reason for not following the rules. The eight-year delay does suggest that something unusual happened, so best if you check back with the court.

    As for possible consequences if you ignore it: the most probable is that you might be summoned to appear in court again to explain yourself, and if you failed to turn up then a warrant for your arrest could indeed be issued. Further hearings could clarify what is going on and would enable you to give details of your financial situation and agree a payment plan, although additional costs might be added on. And once a court has ordered you to pay and you fail to do so, a process begins that in principle could lead to prison, although that is highly unlikely.
    • rkc86
    • By rkc86 25th Mar 17, 2:58 PM
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    • 25th Mar 17, 2:58 PM
    Sorry to hijack this thread as I couldn't locate a similar post.

    My father received one similar and we thought it was a scam, however we received a second letter asking to pay the amount owed. The funny thing is that the date of birth stated on the letter is not of my father but of my my mothers! So what's going on? lol. Do I ignore it or ring to explain what's going on?
    • Shakin Steve
    • By Shakin Steve 25th Mar 17, 4:21 PM
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    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hm-courts-tribunals-service-advice-to-debtors-on-unpaid-historic-fines
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    • john2054
    • By john2054 30th Mar 17, 11:41 AM
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    Just pay the debt. It could negatively affect your report, if you don't.
    • 27cool
    • By 27cool 30th Mar 17, 5:46 PM
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    To be fair. Historic Debt Team does sound exactly the sort of name that a dodgy DRA might try to use. But in this case obviously it is not. As the link in post#8 seems pretty genuine.
    • MIKELC
    • By MIKELC 1st Jul 17, 3:54 PM
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    Hi, I've received a similar letter today so will speak to them on Monday but does this mean I have a CCJ? Thanks
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 1st Jul 17, 4:02 PM
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    The Magistrates Court have nothing to do with the civil court and it is the civil courts, the County Court system that are the ones who register CCJs. So no for whatever that £240 you owe is for you won't from them.
    • MIKELC
    • By MIKELC 1st Jul 17, 4:07 PM
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    Thank you... one less thing for me to worry about until Monday now at least. Thank you again
    • Ben8282
    • By Ben8282 2nd Jul 17, 4:09 AM
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    Not sure if this is the right place to post - please move it to the right thread otherwise please mods.
    ________________________________________

    Yesterday I received a letter from HM Courts & Tribunals Service, signed by HISTORIC DEBT ENFORCEMENT TEAM, informing me that "There is still an outstanding balance on the above account which was imposed at THE MAGISTRATES COURT on 09.01.2008." The sum is for £240.

    Attached to this letter is a pink "How to pay your fine" double-sided page containing details of a Payment Line, Allpay Card, Direct Debit. I recall receiving a summons to Derby Magistrates court in 2008 for non payment of a bill. I attended Court and was informed it was non payment of TV Licence or SKY (not quite sure). I informed the magistrate that the bill in question was from my previous address in Wembley during the time I was living there and married to my ex-husband. He was the owner of the house and paid all the bills and all utilities were on his name. I was not working, not earning and a full time mum to 3 kids. I informed her I was not responsible for the bills but my ex-husband was. I believe I gave the court his business address. The magistrate noted it all and informed me I was not liable for this bill. I believed that was the end of the case. I never heard back from them since attending court.

    Now over 8 years later, I get the letter I mentioned above (scanned images of all I received are below). What's going on? Is this a scam?



    Originally posted by m33r4

    If this is from the MAGISTRATES court then it is in respect of a FINE following CRIMINAL CONVICTION.
    This has nothing to do with sky tv, utility bills, county court judgements, unpaid consumer debt or the statute of limitations.
    You MUST PAY FINES FOR CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS OR YOU WILL BE SENT TO PRISON,
    Last edited by Ben8282; 02-07-2017 at 4:13 AM.
    • jessex1990
    • By jessex1990 2nd Jul 17, 11:16 AM
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    You would be liable for it as an adult living at the address, who watches television broadcasts on the date alleged regardless of who is in charge of paying the bills. Is it possible the magistrate said that they would only ask you to pay it if they were unable to get payment from your ex-husband which after 8 years they have given up trying to free tit out of him.
    Last edited by jessex1990; 02-07-2017 at 11:20 AM.
    • sourcrates
    • By sourcrates 2nd Jul 17, 12:56 PM
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    Guys, this thread is 6 months old, and the OP has not been back to update us, however, if you read the original post correctly, you will see, this matter related to her ex partner, and not the OP.

    It appears the Historic Debts Team have targeted the wrong person here, thats why i advised they contact the historic debts team and explain they have the wrong person, and hopefully, thats what they did.
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    • amygeorgina
    • By amygeorgina 6th Jul 17, 9:36 PM
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    Had one similar WTF?!
    So I know this thread is old but I feel like I can generally trust the advice from people on this site.

    Get home this evening and husband has had one similar, except this isn't 'historical' it's just, Fine Due asking for £350. Had one letter from TV Licencing last week telling us we'd missed a payment and we had until 18th July to pay it, fine. Then this drops through the door, and putting 2+2 together, he's assuming it must be for that.

    But, WTF?! It doesn't even tell us what the debt is for. It's literally one double sided sheet of paper, doesn't say what for, or even have anyone's name/signature at the bottom.

    So confused, and now bricking ourselves. We're struggling to live as it is with two children, childcare, rent (in SW London) despite having good jobs. ARGH!!! Stress central!!
    • tykesi
    • By tykesi 7th Jul 17, 8:57 AM
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    If this is from the MAGISTRATES court then it is in respect of a FINE following CRIMINAL CONVICTION.
    This has nothing to do with sky tv, utility bills, county court judgements, unpaid consumer debt or the statute of limitations.
    You MUST PAY FINES FOR CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS OR YOU WILL BE SENT TO PRISON,
    Originally posted by Ben8282
    Why are you re-replying to a thread you've already replied on over seven months ago?
    £2017 in 2017 - £3238.42
    • StopIt
    • By StopIt 7th Jul 17, 9:37 AM
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    So I know this thread is old but I feel like I can generally trust the advice from people on this site.

    Get home this evening and husband has had one similar, except this isn't 'historical' it's just, Fine Due asking for £350. Had one letter from TV Licencing last week telling us we'd missed a payment and we had until 18th July to pay it, fine. Then this drops through the door, and putting 2+2 together, he's assuming it must be for that.

    But, WTF?! It doesn't even tell us what the debt is for. It's literally one double sided sheet of paper, doesn't say what for, or even have anyone's name/signature at the bottom.

    So confused, and now bricking ourselves. We're struggling to live as it is with two children, childcare, rent (in SW London) despite having good jobs. ARGH!!! Stress central!!
    Originally posted by amygeorgina

    Calm down a bit and look at the letter again.


    You'll have a reference of some sort, along with the letterhead stating who/which court it was issued by.


    Call the court in question with the reference, they'll tell you what it's for.


    It may be for the TVL but as it gave you until 18th July to pay, it's either issued way before it should be, or could be something else.
    • jack7979
    • By jack7979 19th Jul 17, 6:46 PM
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    Mine just says 'the magistrates court', doesnt give the name of the court.
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