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    • MadHatter752
    • By MadHatter752 3rd Dec 16, 4:10 PM
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    VCS/BW Legal - Court tomorrow!!
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    • 3rd Dec 16, 4:10 PM
    VCS/BW Legal - Court tomorrow!! 3rd Dec 16 at 4:10 PM
    Hello

    After a week of reading through threads on this forum (including the newbie sticky) to find an answer to my predicament I am finally at my wits end and having to start my own thread... sorry to anyone annoyed by this but the wealth of information is baffling and I cannot waste anymore time reading things I don't understand and getting more confused! So THANK YOU to everyone who reads and helps.

    So... in October 2014 a ticket was put on the car i am the registered keeper of in a free train station car park, informing the driver that they were "parked beyond the bay markings". The PCN was issued by Vehicle Control Services Ltd.

    Debt Recovery Plus Ltd appear to have become involved and I have received numerous letters from them. Upon receipts of letters from DRP I read lots of threads on this forum which I thought advised me to ignore. I have therefore not appealed or had any contact with VCS or DRP.

    On 21st November, I received a letter from bw Legal entitled a "Letter of Claim" which I understand is another name for Letter before Action, asking me to pay the payment or detail grounds for dispute by 7th December, hence why I am getting a bit panicky... my time is running out to reply to this.

    They mention what I gather is all the usual stuff re County Court Proceedings could be issued, Parking Eye vs Beavis, CCJs.

    I know I have to reply to this letter as it is from the Solicitors and I have drafted the below. Is this sufficient for now? Is there anything else I can use to get them to stop hassling me. Also, some are saying send registered post, others saying email... what is the recommendation please?

    Thank you!!!







    Ref: VCS/******************



    Dear BWLegal,



    Further to your letter dated 21 November, I am writing to confirm that I amthe registered keeper of the vehicle in question, however I deny any debt toVCS Ltd.

    Your letter dated 21 November, refers to a letter dated 21 November whichyou have not received a response from. Pleasenote, this is the first letter I have received from yourselves.

    In order to respond fully to yourclaims, I should be grateful if you could issue a letter that fully meets therequirements of the Practice Direction for pre-action conduct andprotocols.

    I am disappointed in your breaches of the Solicitors Code of Conduct inrelation to your attempt to use a third party’s lack of legal knowledge to yourown advantage.

    I also note your misrepresentation of the consequences of an adversejudgement. You are in breach of Chapter 11 of the Solicitors Code of Conduct,specifically (Indicative Behaviours) IB 11.7 and 11.8.

    I shall be making contact with the Solicitors Regulatory Authority inrelation to your threats of court proceeding, CCJs and your mention of ParkingEye Limited vs Beavis (2015) UKSC. I findyour letter very intimidating and unprofessional.


    Furthermore, as a member of the Credit Services Association and thereforesignatory to their codes of practice, BWLegal is inbreach of several of these codes. As the debt is disputed continuedcorrespondence from yourselves will be seen as a further breach of that COP.


    Yours Faithfully"





    Cc: SRA
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 5th Jul 17, 1:27 AM
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    Well done to you, after all this time - you DID it! We knew you could.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • MadHatter752
    • By MadHatter752 5th Jul 17, 3:45 PM
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    The day of the hearing.
    Well I said I would write up an account of what happened in court… hopefully it will help others in my position.

    It is very long and probably irrelevant( a bit like my WS as you’ll see ) but I've tried to group it into what happened, how I felt leading up to the hearing and then what happened at the hearing. I would suggest reading with a glass of red of an evening.


    First and foremost I cannot thank enough all the people that have helped me on and off the forum… your help has truly been invaluable and without it I would have paid up a long time ago. Special thanks to Ladsofchildren123 for the help with my WS and SA… you have been absolutely amazing. Also to Parking Prankster for his fabulous blog and case page… extracts from which I was armed with on the day.

    The second thing I’d say to anyone going to court… don't leave everything to the last minute!! Monday night was probably the most frantic night of my life. I used a whole pack of A4 paper printing off three copies of everything… putting each bundle together so if you are facing court get things ready as early as you can… it's the last thing you need when you are stressed the night before. As it turns out I didn't need the copies… but you can't know that before the hearing so best to go prepared.

    Before the hearing

    So Tuesday morning my hearing was at 11am… I got to the Court about 10:15/10:20 and signed myself in at the desk. The Usher’s name was Peter and he was friendly..
    I think I expected to be treated like a criminal but he didn't do that. I asked if anyone had arrived for the other side and he said no. I positioned myself on the chair nearest to his desk so I would hear people’s names as they signed in but it didn't work for me… I couldn't quite hear.

    I didn't find the waiting room very intimidating at all…it was like a hospital waiting room with a mixture of society in there. Some were dressed very smartly, some track suits so not so smart so I was glad I had worn trousers and a smart jacket.

    I got up again and asked the Usher, Peter, if my Skeleton Argument had been received. He had the file on his desk so he checked and it was there. I sat back down again and went through some notes I had written… I was feeling nervous about raising the issue of Rights of Audience so was rereading my notes, what to say to bring it up, what to find out from their Rep when they showed and LoC123 was clarifying RoA for me in private messages on MSE so I was reading through them.

    The worst bit was watching people walk in and eyeing them up to see if they’d be the one I was up against. Some Rep’s came past with files in their hands containing not very little and I was expecting it to be one of these.

    I waited until 10:45 and then thought I’d better check again if their Rep had turned up. I wanted to use the BMPA Check The Rep service and so would need to be sending them a message. So I asked the Usher if anyone had arrived and he said yes and pointed to a lady near me… I must admit I hadn't really seen her sitting there. I asked the Usher if I was allowed to talk to her and he said yes.

    I sat back down… checked the info I needed to find out and tried to work out if I had the courage to approach her. I just thought to myself… “so much work has been done on this case…. I really need to win this”, so I went over to her…. Introduced myself and asked for her name. It was a bit like getting blood out of a stone… I think she was suspicious of me and I could hardly hear her answers… I had to bend right down and stick my ear in front of her face to hear but I managed to establish her name was Angela Jackson from Elms Legal. ( I’m not 100% sure that is her name now but that's what I thought at the time). I thought “yes… Elms Legal” and remembered IamEmanresu’s comment on my thread that anything Elms Legal is third hand and might be in with a chance.

    When she looked at me quizzically for asking the questions I just smiled and said… “I just wanted to know who I was up against” and shrugged it off. She asked me if there was anything I wanted to discuss before we went in and I politely said no that we could wait until we were in there.

    I text BMPA Check The Rep service my case number, her name and firm Elms Legal. In hindsight I needed to check her qualifications. As it turned out Check The Rep didn't text me back until I was nearly home and had won and they advised me they had found two Angela Jacksons, both London based, but asked me if she had a practice certificate. Obviously I hadn't found this out so if you do use this service I’d say you need to be a bit more prepared to extract info out of the Rep. Had I done this the service may have been more use to me but I guess they were looking for a needle in a haystack!!

    I would also say their Rep had one of those briefcases on wheels… I don't know whether this is used to try and intimidate me… it did a little… I thought she must be used to coming to Court which gave her an advantage and she also looked the part.

    At the Hearing

    Before long we were called in and, as I didn't know what to do, I followed the Rep’s lead. For instance, I didn't know if we had to wait to be told to sit down by the Judge so I only sat down after the Rep did just in case.

    As others have said… it is just a room with a big table and a desk at one end, behind which sat Deputy District Judge Neil Fawcett. I sat on the table one side and “Angela” sat on the other side. There were two microphones on the table to record what we said.

    Judge Fawcett began by explaining to me how these things normally work, I.e. Who goes first, what happened when's. Then the Judge stated what the claim was… I.e. Unpaid parking charge and talked about the particulars… more for the benefit of the recording I think rather than us.

    Straight away he wasn't impressed the VCS/BW Legal’s Witness hadn’t turned up… Ian Callaghan. Of course this was no surprise to me that he hadn't turned up… they had told me he wasn't going to be there but I was surprised by Judge Fawcett’s objection to this… he really wasn't happy and I felt like this set the tone for the entire hearing. He mentioned that it disadvantaged their case..( I think the word he used was disadvantaged) and he made the point to me that this meant I didn't have a witness to question, whereas the Claimants Rep would have chance to question me.

    I nervously interjected here as I wanted to raise Rights of Audience and I knew I had to get in there before the Rep started summarising her case. I said that it had been brought to my attention that parking charge companies had been sending people to court who did not have Rights of Audience, who were nothing to do with the case. He straight away dismissed this and said he was satisfied she did have and that it is only an issue over £100. Their Rep then piped up that she does have Rights of Audience… did the Judge want to see the papers… she motioned towards her bag… he said no. She then swore that she does have RoA. I just left it.

    Then the Judge said that this case hung on whether there was a breach of contract. He said contracts are only made with people, not with vehicles.

    The Judge mentioned briefly my WS which he said was disproportionate and largely irrelevant and shot down the byelaws argument… which was what we thought preparing it was my strongest argument. Cue a bit more nervousness from me.

    Judge handed over to their Rep to summarise her case. She did this quickly, they weren't using POFA etc. I felt like she fumbled a little bit… like she didn't have a full grasp of the case… but maybe it's just her style of speaking. She didn't come across as very confident to me anyway. She referred the Judge to the MCOL Claim Form and the signage pics in the Claimant’s WS. There was a a bit of too-ing and fro-ing between the form and the pictures while the Judge tried to get his head around the picture and what they signs said. I think the Judge was trying to establish the contract.

    She also agreed with the Judge that my WS was unfocused and that it was private land and byelaws didn't apply.

    She said things I wanted to object to but I kept quiet and thought I would get my chance to put them straight… I made notes of the things she said which I wanted to challenge. As it turns out I didn't get chance to challenge them but I didn't know that at the time. Maybe someone with more experience can say whether I should have challenged them at the time… “shouting objection” 😂 or something similar but I thought the courteous thing would be to let her finish.

    Then the Judge got stuck into trying to understand their charges… where the extra £70 came from. Again lots of too-ing and fro-ing between the MCOL claim form and the pics of the signs where it mentioned “additional costs and interest”. The Judge didn't seem very happy with it but the Rep bumbled her way through it.

    Then she was given the opportunity to question me about my WS and the Judge asked her if she took it all at fact. She kept trying to bring in Legal arguments but the Judge wasn't interested… he just wanted to know if she accepted the WS as fact and she had to concede in the end that she did.

    She wanted clarification on how many people drove the car at the time… I referred her to my WS and both her and the Judge wrote down there was two drivers. I was asked who the second driver was and had to state my husband. She asked me whether I had asked my husband if he was driving and had we discussed who was driving. I said yes… thinking to myself “this has taken over my whole life of course we’ve talked about it you idiot”.

    She started talking about the law of probabilities and how it was probable that I was driving, that they could assume I was.

    The Judge mentioned something about European Law. But he said that was a speeding ticket… I'm sure he said so that was a criminal case.

    She then mentioned Beavis… felt like she was sucking up to the Judge… she said how she was sure he was familiar with the case.

    The Judge didn't really make any comment.

    I think the Judge was pretty astounded that this claim had gone this far. The Claimant said I’d been given amble opportunity to name the driver. I am sure the Judge mentioned how I am not required to name the driver. I said the Claim had gone this far because the Claimant hadn't provided me with the information I needed to establish the driver and how all I had received apart from the debt letters was the court form and the WS. The Rep for the Claimant then made the lame excuse that it was all on the MCOL claim form and because it's online they've only got a certain number of characters blah blah.

    Obviously their Witness wasn't there so I couldn't ask him any questions and we couldn't verify whether his WS was factual (which of course I knew it wasn't).

    Then before I knew it the Judge said the Claimant was dismissed and it was all down to the fact they couldn't prove who the driver was.

    I asked if I could claim costs. He had my cost schedule in front of him. He wasn't satisfied that the Claimant had acted unreasonably and I politely disagreed and mentioned all the work that had gone into this… I wish I'd had more to say about why it was unreasonable but he’d dismissed it so quick I wasn't prepared. He asked the Rep if she wanted to say anything and she said that I had acted unreasonably by not naming the driver.

    He said he could award me mileage and parking for the day. I felt like he wanted to give me more… he even got his law book type thing out to check but after a few minutes he closed it and said he couldn't do anything further.

    Then we packed up our things and left.

    I couldn't believe it. It probably lasted 40 minutes in total and I hardly said anything at all which I was actually disappointed in. It wasn't nearly as bad as I felt and once we were in front of the Judge I felt all fired up and ready to go.

    I must say the Judge dealt with me very fairly and kindly in terms of how he spoke to me and explained things. I didn't find him intimidating at all and I think that helped me calm down a bit.

    I’ve tried to remember as much as I can from the hearing and write it all down just in case it can help someone else in any way at all. The order of things being said might be slightly out but that was the general gist. It really felt like it was over so quick that I don't think I felt like I took much of it in.

    Well that's it guys… happy to take any questions….

    Thanks again. So relieved this is over. Like a giant weight being lifted off me!!
    • MadHatter752
    • By MadHatter752 5th Jul 17, 3:56 PM
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    And maybe I should also mention that it has come to my attention following a FOI request that the land is private... not covered by byelaws. There are two car parks at this location... one is covered by byelaws, one isn't... the one my vehicle received the PCN in was apparently the one on private land, not covered by byelaws. This info wasn't freely available before the hearing though and the FOI report wasn't mentioned at the hearing.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 5th Jul 17, 9:50 PM
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    The read fascinating, the report fantastic, the result fabulous, the PPC facked!

    Great outcome. Well done you and particular thanks to LoC who is proving to be, with Lamilad, a recent star addition to the small panel of forum regulars.

    Are you considering a claim for breach of the DPA?
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 5th Jul 17, 10:25 PM
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    A very gripping report. it's J.K. Rowling stuff

    "I would also say their Rep had one of those briefcases on wheels"
    Might have been in expectation, some overnight clothes and a TOOTHBRUSH (Bring your toothbrush as one judge said)

    And there is the answer yet again .... they do not know who the driver was .....

    Seems the judge was not interested in what the rep had to say... no surprises

    Brilliant report, thank you
    Last edited by beamerguy; 05-07-2017 at 10:32 PM.
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

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    • MadHatter752
    • By MadHatter752 5th Jul 17, 10:26 PM
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    Thanks Umkomaas... you are right... LOC123 cannot be thanked enough.

    Not considering a claim for breach of DPA at all... I never want to set foot in a court room again if I can help it and I want my life back!!
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 5th Jul 17, 10:34 PM
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    Thanks Umkomaas... you are right... LOC123 cannot be thanked enough.

    Not considering a claim for breach of DPA at all... I never want to set foot in a court room again if I can help it and I want my life back!!
    Originally posted by MadHatter752
    Totally understandable.

    But do feel free to drop by from time to time and give others, following in your footsteps, the benefit of your experience. Don't forget, that of the regulars (as far as I'm aware), only Lamilad has been on your side of the courtroom, notwithstanding LoC's professional experience, albeit in a somewhat different capacity to that of a Defendant.
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 05-07-2017 at 10:41 PM.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • claretmad62
    • By claretmad62 5th Jul 17, 10:38 PM
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    Yes great report back Madhatter....was a tad worried for you on Monday night. But you did it...so well done.
    cm62
    • MadHatter752
    • By MadHatter752 6th Jul 17, 6:00 AM
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    Totally understandable.

    But do feel free to drop by from time to time and give others, following in your footsteps, the benefit of your experience. Don't forget, that of the regulars (as far as I'm aware), only Lamilad has been on your side of the courtroom, notwithstanding LoC's professional experience, albeit in a somewhat different capacity to that of a Defendant.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    yes I will be trying to hang around and help others. That's the plan..
    I read lots of posts but don't feel that I can help but I am sure one day I will be able to somehow.
    • MadHatter752
    • By MadHatter752 6th Jul 17, 6:01 AM
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    Yes great report back Madhatter....was a tad worried for you on Monday night. But you did it...so well done.
    Originally posted by claretmad62
    I was a tad worried to me too but thank you. You did help calm me down a little bit. We were all in this together. The more wins the better
    • Loadsofchildren123
    • By Loadsofchildren123 6th Jul 17, 2:44 PM
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    [QUOTE=MadHatter752;72794748]
    I would also say their Rep had one of those briefcases on wheels… I don't know whether this is used to try and intimidate me… it did a little… I thought she must be used to coming to Court which gave her an advantage and she also looked the part. All lawyers use these - most just use small cabin-baggage suitcases- it's so much easier than carrying files of papers and juggling them with a handbag/coat (I liked the idea that she just had her pjs and a toothbrush in there though!)

    At the Hearing

    She said things I wanted to object to but I kept quiet and thought I would get my chance to put them straight… I made notes of the things she said which I wanted to challenge. As it turns out I didn't get chance to challenge them but I didn't know that at the time. Maybe someone with more experience can say whether I should have challenged them at the time… “shouting objection” 😂 or something similar but I thought the courteous thing would be to let her finish. No, you were right first time. They go first, without interruption, and you go second and make your own points and respond to theirs. So as they are speaking, you make notes of extra things you want to say. You should have been given your "turn" - however the DJ had obviously made up his mind that they hadn't proved their case and so there was no point putting you to the trouble/stress of making out your defence. If he was undecided he would most certainly have given you the floor.

    Then she was given the opportunity to question me about my WS and the Judge asked her if she took it all at fact. She kept trying to bring in Legal arguments but the Judge wasn't interested… he just wanted to know if she accepted the WS as fact and she had to concede in the end that she did. Another indication he'd already made up his mind and wanted to prevent her from challenging it.
    [QUOTE]


    Great report, I've commented on a couple of things you said.


    Good recommendations for others on the RoA points. The missing info was whether she was barrister/solicitor/legal exec and whether she was "regulated" by the Bar Council, CiLEX or the SRA. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have had RoA, but this is often the response from judges and you moved on and weren't phased by his rejection of it.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 6th Jul 17, 2:46 PM
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    /quote ...
    Diary of a madman
    Walk the line again today
    Entries of confusion
    Dear diary, I'm here to stay
    • unhappychappie
    • By unhappychappie 6th Jul 17, 3:02 PM
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    Would you do it all again .?
    Hi firstly congratulations on your win, I have a question for you now it's all over if you could go back to the day you got the pcn would you just pay it.? Reason I'm asking is I have a pcn from vcs and I read your thread with great interest and wonder if it's worth all the hassle and stress. I've read loads on here probably way too much for this early stage of my case but I really don't think I have the intelligence to go through writing all the stuff you had to do. And the whole process of hitting the deadlines for the court case. I know it's important to fight these company's I did fight a previous vcs ticket at an airport with the help of this forum but that was when vcs was part of popla if you search my name and I won. I just think all cases will now end up in court and it's one to many hoops to jump through. I value your honest opinion.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 6th Jul 17, 3:26 PM
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    @unhappychappie - is your current PCN also an airport stopping case?
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • unhappychappie
    • By unhappychappie 6th Jul 17, 3:31 PM
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    No private carpark but no signs on entrance I have photos but don't want to post here yet as I know vcs read these forums landowner is in on the scam I've learned so no point appealing to him.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 6th Jul 17, 4:01 PM
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    No private carpark but no signs on entrance I have photos but don't want to post here yet as I know vcs read these forums landowner is in on the scam I've learned so no point appealing to him.
    Originally posted by unhappychappie
    Come back with a new thread if you decide you need some help. Thanks for clarifying.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Loadsofchildren123
    • By Loadsofchildren123 6th Jul 17, 9:03 PM
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    For what it's worth - on the case I had I felt like all the effort I had to put in was out of proportion to the original charge and part of me felt I should have paid for an easy life.
    HOWEVER, that perpetuates the scam and finances them to sue people when they very often (usually) have no case. So from that perspective it goes against the grain.
    There is no right answer.
    • unhappychappie
    • By unhappychappie 6th Jul 17, 10:53 PM
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    I'm not scared of going to court there all only human like me I'm more worried about all the hoops you have to jump through to get there and handing them an easy win because I didn't do something correctly or missed a deadline. If it was just a case of going to court saying why I shouldn't have to pay and vcs saying why I should it wouldn't be as daunting. Like most I just want a fair appeal process and the only way to get that with an ipc company is in a court.
    • MadHatter752
    • By MadHatter752 7th Jul 17, 8:39 AM
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    Hi firstly congratulations on your win, I have a question for you now it's all over if you could go back to the day you got the pcn would you just pay it.? Reason I'm asking is I have a pcn from vcs and I read your thread with great interest and wonder if it's worth all the hassle and stress. I've read loads on here probably way too much for this early stage of my case but I really don't think I have the intelligence to go through writing all the stuff you had to do. And the whole process of hitting the deadlines for the court case. I know it's important to fight these company's I did fight a previous vcs ticket at an airport with the help of this forum but that was when vcs was part of popla if you search my name and I won. I just think all cases will now end up in court and it's one to many hoops to jump through. I value your honest opinion.
    Originally posted by unhappychappie
    I have been thinking about this a lot, even before you asked the question and my honest opinion is i don't know whether I would do it again. As LOC123 says the amount of work you do is soooo disproportionate to the amount of the PCN... it is certainly easier to just pay it and never hear about it again but I'm not sure I could ever bring myself to pay them, to fund what they do, because it goes against every cell in my body... I cannot abide the injustice of it. I fought it, not just for myself but for everyone who doesn't know they can, who didn't find the forum and didn't get the help I got.

    However, as Umkomaas says in his signature... you have to be in it for the long haul. There often isn't a quick solution. However, the more of us that have been through it, the more "templates" you can crib things off for your own defence/witness statement/skeleton argument. The information on the forum is overwhelming at times when you have no idea what you're doing but we can't say the help isn't there. Sometimes it just takes a bit of searching for. And If anyone ever wants my documents in Word format I will be more than happy to send them.

    I was petrified of going to Court, which I didn't need to be but as you're not you have that in your favour.

    In terms of deadlines.... I don't think you need to be worried about handing them an easy win by missing deadlines. You just need to keep your dates clear in your mind and if you have your own thread on here, people will help if you're not sure.

    As for whether all cases for VCS will end up in court from now on... someone with more experience might be able to comment on this... but the more people that beat them... surely the less people they will take to court... well that's how a reasonable company would work surely
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 7th Jul 17, 9:40 AM
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    As for whether all cases for VCS will end up in court from now on... someone with more experience might be able to comment on this... but the more people that beat them... surely the less people they will take to court... well that's how a reasonable company would work surely
    Originally posted by MadHatter752
    Rest assured that VCS will continue and the courts will continue
    to whoop them.
    VCS / EXCEL can only be looked upon as lemmings

    Their main problem is without doubt, the use of BWLegal who continue as cash terrorists with no understanding of what they are doing.
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