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    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 9th Nov 16, 5:00 PM
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    Vegan Living & Ethical Buying
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    • 9th Nov 16, 5:00 PM
    Vegan Living & Ethical Buying 9th Nov 16 at 5:00 PM
    Hi,

    I'm not sure if there is a thread which covers this already but I am a vegan who tries to consume as ethically as possible and wondered if there is anyone else out there trying to do the same thing in as much of a money saving way as possible!??

    I have recently had an increase in income and have therefore decided that from this day forward I will no longer purchase anything from any organisation that doesn't produce their goods ethically. It means that I will no longer use supermarkets; will either buy fresh products from a local organic box scheme or local organic producers; toiletries, household products and dry/tinned goods will be from a wholesale cooperative or a local health food shop.

    Tomorrow I will look at a greener energy provider- I can't afford solar panels at the moment but I can look at renewable electricity suppliers. I already bank with an ethical bank and am basing all my choices on ratings via the ethical consumer website.

    I know that this isn't going to be easy, not using any mainstream shops is going to take a lot of planning but I think its worth doing and hope that I'm not alone!!
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    • savvy
    • By savvy 27th Jun 17, 5:57 PM
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    I don't think that anyone is preaching. Far as I can tell, this thread is for people who are following, or trying to follow a vegan lifestyle etc, not for having an argument about which is better, which is worse as a diet.
    Originally posted by bugslet
    Very well said bugslet!

    NigeWick - would really appreciate if you didn't try to 'preach' about a non vegan lifestyle in this thread, nobody is interested in arguing with you, thank you.
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    • drinkupretty
    • By drinkupretty 5th Jul 17, 5:49 PM
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    Has anyone seen "What the Health" on netflix yet? Though it is based on the American food standards, it is very eye opening!
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    • K9sandFelines
    • By K9sandFelines 10th Jul 17, 7:02 PM
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    Has anyone seen "What the Health" on netflix yet? Though it is based on the American food standards, it is very eye opening!
    Originally posted by drinkupretty
    I have half watched it but need to go back when I am paying more attention
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    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 29th Jul 17, 1:29 PM
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    I mentioned Permaculture as the way to harvest our meat. Grass fed beef is perfectly I respect a person's choice to be vegetarian or vegan but don't try and preach that it is THE answer to the world's problems when it clearly is not. We need diversity and not vast monoculture fields of grains grown using enormous unsustainable amounts of energy, poisons and chemical fertilisers.
    Originally posted by NigeWick
    The only person preaching on here is you NigeWick - and I have already asked you not to get into 'arguments' on this thread - it's about being vegan and buying ethically so your constant conversations regarding the mass production of foodstuffs is not relevant - that's not the idea of this thread; it's about buying and living as ethically as possible which obviously does not mean buying mass produced anything which you would know if you had taken the time to read the initial post. I'm not here to right the wrongs of the world, I'm here to share what I am doing and gain ideas from like-minded people.

    Right, that over and done with, lets get on to what I am doing!

    I have been really fortunate that one of my friends has started growing a great amount of veg veganically! It's been really useful and I have had an almost constant supply of tomatoes, courgettes, beans and beetroot! I am really pleased and she is pretty happy too as she really overdid the sowing this year!!

    I have been steadily working my way through my storecupboards but still don't need to do my big shop from Suma yet! It's really surprising how much food I have in - I know that some of it has been because I have bought things in bulk but I really don't want to be purchasing anything else until I have worked my way through the stuff I already have.

    I am cooking couscous today with roasted veg (all free and veganic) - I have roasted it with a little oil and homemade raspberry balsamic and I have added some apricots, dates and raisins to the couscous along with a touch of cinnamon. I also had some apples which I have cooked in maple syrup and peach liqueur for follow-ons

    Not much else to report really - just plodding on day to day and enjoying not going to the shops!!

    Hope you are all well
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    • Alan_Brown
    • By Alan_Brown 31st Jul 17, 3:20 PM
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    Please explain how having huge monocrop fields fed with chemicals and doused in poison can "save the environment" and keep our biodiversity.
    Originally posted by NigeWick

    In the US, 70% of the grain grown is fed to animals. The world’s cattle alone consume a quantity of food equal to the caloric needs of 8.7 billion people—more than the entire human population on Earth. Your 'huge monocrop' is actually used to feed animals, not humans.


    Unlike farm animals that are often fed the same feed month-in, month-out, humans require a far more diverse diet of root crops legumes, grains, fruits, berries, seeds, etc. maintaining a healthy biodiversity.


    If we stopped producing so much feed for animals, we would have more arable land available for human crops and so could use much less intensive farming methods and therefore use less chemicals.


    Getting back on topic, I have ordered my first pair of vegan 'leather' work shoes. I'm interested to see how they fair compared with leather shoes.
    Last edited by Alan_Brown; 31-07-2017 at 3:22 PM.
    • Ben84
    • By Ben84 1st Aug 17, 7:08 PM
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    If we stopped producing so much feed for animals, we would have more arable land available for human crops and so could use much less intensive farming methods and therefore use less chemicals.
    Originally posted by Alan_Brown
    Yes, when you eat animals you're effectively consuming all of the food they have eaten in their entire lives. Dairy and eggs also suffer from poor conversion of animal feed in to food for humans. The more plant foods people eat instead of animal products, the less land and resources are used.

    Getting back on topic, I have ordered my first pair of vegan 'leather' work shoes. I'm interested to see how they fair compared with leather shoes.
    Originally posted by Alan_Brown
    I prefer faux leather shoes. I find they resist dirt far better than real leather. Haven't had any issues with durability.

    that's not the idea of this thread; it's about buying and living as ethically as possible which obviously does not mean buying mass produced anything
    Originally posted by squirrelgirl
    I actually think mass production is inherently green. Sure, it can potentially be part of a production and supply chain with issues, such as where the raw materials come from and the durability/life span of the products, but the mass production aspect is not the problem - often it's a positive thing. Mass production is about efficiency, saving resources and meeting people's needs with less material and energy consumption. I think it can be an easy target because it does highlight just how much we consume when we see big factories with conveyors of products rushing along, but if they're making the products we need with less resources per item - which is the goal of mass production, it's aligned with green ideas, not wasteful ideas. Some products with an environmental focus are mass produced. Ecover cleaning products, for example. Solar panels and wind turbine parts too, and LED lighting products. For products with less environmental aims, it is at least reducing their impact.
    Last edited by Ben84; 01-08-2017 at 7:16 PM.
    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 2nd Sep 17, 4:18 PM
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    I actually think mass production is inherently green. Sure, it can potentially be part of a production and supply chain with issues, such as where the raw materials come from and the durability/life span of the products, but the mass production aspect is not the problem - often it's a positive thing. Mass production is about efficiency, saving resources and meeting people's needs with less material and energy consumption. I think it can be an easy target because it does highlight just how much we consume when we see big factories with conveyors of products rushing along, but if they're making the products we need with less resources per item - which is the goal of mass production, it's aligned with green ideas, not wasteful ideas. Some products with an environmental focus are mass produced. Ecover cleaning products, for example. Solar panels and wind turbine parts too, and LED lighting products. For products with less environmental aims, it is at least reducing their impact.
    Originally posted by Ben84
    While I agree with the point you are making, for me it's not just about the environmental impact of a company-it's their parent company and their animal rights, human rights, supply chain etc too, so I'm not consuming mass produced products - obviously, there are some things which the information is incomplete on but I haven't found any mass producers to date that have met the standards I have set for myself. Its just personal choice.

    I've made some interesting raw foods recently - although my eating habits are erratic at best, it's been nice trying new stuff.....the 'goat' 'cheese' made with macadamia and cashews is lovely but scarily expensive to make so that's a definite 'treat' product!

    I have lots of raspberries coming through again - it's the second flush now and they are beautiful The garden is currently being cleared as I had really let it go over the past few weeks and haven't done anything at all so once that is done, I will get some spring veg put in and probably some more leaves. I still have job lots of food in store and our eating habits are sporadic at best so other than the usual toiletries and fresh items, we have no need to buy anything for a while. I have started to use much cheaper hair products which will save me a substantial sum over 12 months so I am hoping to reduce our grocery bill further

    Nothing else to report really...just keeping it going as much as I can
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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 6th Sep 17, 9:03 AM
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    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 23rd Sep 17, 3:33 PM
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    Not a lot to report really....I have been given some pickled courgettes by a friend which will be lovely with some 'cheese', olives and seitan :D - my bread machine is not enormously healthy, but I can do it in the vitamix if I need to ;)

    I'm making haggis with parsnips, potatoes, swede and peas tomorrow.... I've got the grandbaby for a while and if he's hungry he can have all but the haggis as its a bit peppery! All of it is in the freezer so no additional work or cost involved :D I am working late most of this week so I will use up the soups in the freezer and anything else I can find -I want to defrost them both over the next two weeks so that I have some space for the autumn glut of produce that my friends are bound to have!;) I'm hoping for some tomatoes but will take whatever I'm lucky enough to be given!! :D

    I will start some more leaves indoors tomorrow...I really need to sort the wine soon too:o

    Anyhoo...hope you're having a fib weekend :D
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    • debtfreeforlife
    • By debtfreeforlife 28th Sep 17, 11:01 PM
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    Just caught up on this thread with interest, squirrelgirl - glad to see that it's still working out for you! Did you get the glut of food you were hoping for?? I had my Riverford box turn up this morning so my fridge and fruit bowl are beautifully full!
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    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 4th Oct 17, 3:04 PM
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    Just caught up on this thread with interest, squirrelgirl - glad to see that it's still working out for you! Did you get the glut of food you were hoping for?? I had my Riverford box turn up this morning so my fridge and fruit bowl are beautifully full!
    Originally posted by debtfreeforlife
    Hi DFL.....I was fortunate enough to get a job lot of cooking apples and lots of green tomatoes!! I've made chutney with the tomatoes and frozen loads of the apples ready for crumbles and eves pudding in the winter!

    Not much to report...I am still bumbling along, using up stocks and trying hard to stick to the plot as far as purchasing is concerned

    Hope you are all well!!
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    • rachlikeswinter
    • By rachlikeswinter 19th Oct 17, 5:18 PM
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    Hi everyone!

    Just introducing myself as a fellow vegan and general all-round hippie type person, looking forward to finding lots of tips here
    • debtfreeforlife
    • By debtfreeforlife 21st Oct 17, 9:01 PM
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    Missed the last few posts, sorry! Great idea on freezing the apples, squirrel - any good vegan crumble recipes? I'd like to make one over Christmas.

    And welcome, rachloveswinter! Loads of lovely folks on this thread


    Not much to report from me except to say I was quite excited today - I was out for the day with friends at a playground place, and the food van did a vegan quinoa burger! I'd taken my own lunch but decided to buy the burger instead as I wanted to show my support for them offering vegan options. It was delish, too. AND they did soya milk for my tea! As it's a small place in Devon, that was a nice surprise.

    Also, does anyone read Ethical Consumer? There's a feature in this month's magazine on dairy free milks. Not made it that far in the magazine yet (it just turned up this morning) but will let you know what I think of it when I've read it.
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    • savvy
    • By savvy 22nd Oct 17, 4:09 PM
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    Hi DFL.....I was fortunate enough to get a job lot of cooking apples
    Originally posted by squirrelgirl
    Ah very lucky! I haven't been as fortunate this year, so no applesauce raring to go for vegan baking this coming year
    • savvy
    • By savvy 22nd Oct 17, 4:11 PM
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    Hi everyone!

    Just introducing myself as a fellow vegan and general all-round hippie type person, looking forward to finding lots of tips here
    Originally posted by rachlikeswinter
    Hellooooo and welcome to the thread
    As it's a small place in Devon, that was a nice surprise.
    Originally posted by debtfreeforlife
    Ahh love Devon and Cornwall!
    • rachlikeswinter
    • By rachlikeswinter 25th Oct 17, 4:18 PM
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    AND they did soya milk for my tea! As it's a small place in Devon, that was a nice surprise.
    Originally posted by debtfreeforlife
    That is so good - that quinoa burger sounds yum too! A lot of places are finally starting to offer milk alternatives - I was so shocked recently though - did you know Ikea doesn't offer anything except Cow's milk? They have an actual Vegan society certified meal on their menu and yet no soya or anything?! When I asked they told me to 'put it in the suggestion box'. I was VERY surprised. Black coffee is lame
    • debtfreeforlife
    • By debtfreeforlife 25th Oct 17, 8:39 PM
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    That is so good - that quinoa burger sounds yum too! A lot of places are finally starting to offer milk alternatives - I was so shocked recently though - did you know Ikea doesn't offer anything except Cow's milk? They have an actual Vegan society certified meal on their menu and yet no soya or anything?! When I asked they told me to 'put it in the suggestion box'. I was VERY surprised. Black coffee is lame
    Originally posted by rachlikeswinter
    What?? That's ridiculous. I can understand smaller places not having it, but Ikea seems strange. Then again my local Sainsburys cafe doesn't do it either!

    I discovered a lovely little place in my city the other day - a bulk buy eco-friendly place. They have whole bins of beans, pulses, rice, pasta, grains etc. Plus pretty much everything a vegan could want, cleaning stuff, frozen food, etc. No actual veg but I have my veg box for that. I got 2kg of oats and 1kg of dried chickpeas for £7 which will last me AGES and I think is a really reasonable price. I stocked up on dried beans from another bulk buy place a while back but it wasn't nearly as good so I am definitely going back to this one when I run out! They had a lovely cake counter with loads of vegan options too, but I managed to resist somehow.
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    • squirrelgirl
    • By squirrelgirl 11th Nov 17, 7:46 AM
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    Been off the boards for a few weeks...work has been mental!!

    Welcome aboard rachlikeswinter

    Dffl....no particular recipe for crumble - I tend to use a combo of oats, flour, sugar, whatever type of spread I have and a bit of cinnamon I do it by eye rather than quantities so I'm probably no help at all!! That burger sounds lovely....we are quite fortunate that the nearest city has a few really good options for vegan eating but the second you're out of the centre, you have no chance of anything vegan!

    I've had my first energy bill since I switched supplier last year to fully renewable....my last company fitted a smart meter and my new company can't read it (nor can I) so it's an estimated bill - it's less than I expected but as I had a couple of years off work prior to this year, it may be reasonably accurate.... I'll just have to hope for the best!

    I'm currently thinking about what to do for solstice dinner this year....any suggestions will be gratefully received I had a flyer through from waitrose the other day and they are advertising a vegan tart (think it was beetroot) along with their usual stuff...I was quite pleased with that - I'm not going to buy it but it's nice that they haven't just gone for a bog standard veggie option

    Has anyone on here brought up a vegan baby? I'm struggling at the moment to think of meals that are perfect for an eight month old baby - when I feed my grandbaby currently I'm giving him veggies, hommous or beans and I'm not sure if I should be doing anything else I only have him overnight every couple of weeks but I'm paranoid!! I would have a look on the internet but I'm worried I'll start getting obsessed with it all and start getting preachy with my dd, so any suggestions would be really helpful!

    Anyhoo, lots to get done today so I'd better get on.....hope you all have a fab weekend!!
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    • debtfreeforlife
    • By debtfreeforlife 17th Nov 17, 12:48 AM
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    Squirrel, I'm going for a Riverford not roast this year. I'll order it in my last veg box before Christmas and then freeze it until the day. I'll be travelling home for Christmas as well so it'll have to come with me! M&S are apparently doing some great vegan/veggie options this year which my mum is quite excited about so we'll try some of those as well.

    Am childfree so no help at all on the baby vegan I am afraid! If you only have them once every couple of weeks though you'll be fine with whatever you choose so long as it isn't booze...
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