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    • GingerBob
    • By GingerBob 18th Oct 16, 8:25 PM
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    BW Legal - is this a LBC?
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    • 18th Oct 16, 8:25 PM
    BW Legal - is this a LBC? 18th Oct 16 at 8:25 PM
    A friend has come to me with this, knowing that I'm a MoneySavingExpert fan:


    https://postimg.org/image/yt085d30t/

    He's already identified himself to Excel as the driver shortly after the event. My question is, before I get into the Newbies' thread detail - does this constitute a letter before court?


    Thanks,
    GB.
    Last edited by GingerBob; 19-10-2016 at 8:09 AM.
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 18th Oct 16, 8:34 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 8:34 PM
    A friend has come to me with this, knowing that I'm a MoneySavingExpert fan:



    He's already identified himself to Excel as the driver shortly after the event. My question is, before I get into the Newbies' thread detail - does this constitute a letter before court?


    Thanks,
    GB.
    Originally posted by GingerBob
    No, it is a debt collector letter pretending to be a LBC. Note that it is actually called a letter OF claim to make people think it is an LBC when it is not.
    "... may shortly be instructing" is another clue.

    They are not allowed to claim the 54 quid they have added on, and they know it.

    Complain to the SRA. There are loads of people getting these at the moment and it is important that the flood of complaints is maintained.
    Last edited by Fruitcake; 19-10-2016 at 8:38 AM.
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    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 18th Oct 16, 8:40 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 8:40 PM
    A friend has come to me with this, knowing that I'm a MoneySavingExpert fan:


    https://postimg.org/image/yt085d30t/


    He's already identified himself to Excel as the driver shortly after the event. My question is, before I get into the Newbies' thread detail - does this constitute a letter before court?


    Thanks,
    GB.
    Originally posted by GingerBob
    BWLegal scratching around .... 40% DISCOUNT ?
    My word, once this lot are involved should be a 100% discount.

    This must be pre POFA 2012 but do tell us

    The letter is a begging letter for money, they are unsure themselves.

    This is a very tame letter from BWLegal as before they made so many threats and lies, it is no wonder they were reported to the SRA 100's of times.

    The court threat is a two way thing. why might they assume they would win in court ?

    What is the date of the event that has provoked these scammers to contact your friend ?
    Last edited by beamerguy; 19-10-2016 at 8:31 AM.
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    • GingerBob
    • By GingerBob 18th Oct 16, 8:49 PM
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    Thanks. Date was 14 May 2012. Is there a template for an SRA complaint in the Newbie thread? Presumably at this point it's a case of ignore until such time/if ever, a LBC arrives? Or, is it worth advising them that the debt is denied and if they don't 'go away' the complaint letter will be going to the SRA (which it will be anyway).
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 18th Oct 16, 9:04 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 9:04 PM
    Thanks. Date was 14 May 2012. Is there a template for an SRA complaint in the Newbie thread? Presumably at this point it's a case of ignore until such time/if ever, a LBC arrives? Or, is it worth advising them that the debt is denied and if they don't 'go away' the complaint letter will be going to the SRA (which it will be anyway).
    Originally posted by GingerBob
    Pre POFA 2012.

    You say that the driver was named ?

    Doubt BWL know that otherwise they would not send begging letters

    Your friend is probably one of 1000's who this uncouth solicitor has sent letters to.
    The letter your friend received was not subject to a complaint to the SRA.

    Deny any debt and request proof, reminding them it is pre POFA 2012 AND IF THEY THINK THEIR CLAIM is valid, please provide the details of the driver.

    Then, what happens next with their reply, will probably be cause to COMPLAIN to the SRA
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    • GingerBob
    • By GingerBob 18th Oct 16, 9:14 PM
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    Pre POFA 2012.

    You say that the driver was named ? Yes, identified himself as the driver soon after receiving the first begging letter.

    Doubt BWL know that otherwise they would not send begging letters

    Your friend is probably one of 1000's who this uncouth solicitor has sent letters to.
    The letter your friend received was not subject to a complaint to the SRA.

    Deny any debt and request proof, reminding them it is pre POFA 2012 AND IF THEY THINK THEIR CLAIM is valid, please provide the details of the driver.

    Then, what happens next with their reply, will probably be cause to COMPLAIN to the SRA
    Originally posted by beamerguy

    This is one of those cases whereby the parking attendant watched him leave the car park (to go to a public toilet) but failed to notice him return a short while later and buy some food from one of the restaurants on the complex that subscribes to the PPC. Any evidence of purchase long gone. I'm thinking now that a 'robust' letter to the 'solicitors' - if that's what they are - is the next step.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 18th Oct 16, 9:18 PM
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    hang on , that "attendant" has long gone from the company , and after 4 yrs his memory would be flawed


    did the person actually appeal? , did they name themselves?
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • GingerBob
    • By GingerBob 18th Oct 16, 9:21 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 9:21 PM
    hang on , that "attendant" has long gone from the company , and after 4 yrs his memory would be flawed


    did the person actually appeal? , did they name themselves?
    Originally posted by pappa golf

    Yes, driver named himself and offered the excuse mentioned above. No formal appeal that I'm aware of. Got a rejection then ignored (on my advice) thereafter. Then over four years later they're after him again. Good point about the "attendant".
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 18th Oct 16, 9:33 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 9:33 PM
    This is one of those cases whereby the parking attendant watched him leave the car park (to go to a public toilet) but failed to notice him return a short while later and buy some food from one of the restaurants on the complex that subscribes to the PPC. Any evidence of purchase long gone. I'm thinking now that a 'robust' letter to the 'solicitors' - if that's what they are - is the next step.
    Originally posted by GingerBob
    So does the company have proof of this, come on 4 years ago,

    BWLegal ???? they came on the scene a couple of months ago, did not have a clue what they were doing, thought it was an amazing cash cow, screwed up big time, the SRA know this.

    Play letter ping pong with BWLegal, they are not that smart, they hang themselves
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    • GingerBob
    • By GingerBob 18th Oct 16, 9:44 PM
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    Is this the sort of thing they'll appreciate?


    Dear Twatface,


    I deny the debt and owe you nothing. Please return the claim to the PPC. You will recall that I temporarily left the car park in question to go for a p1ss, returning shortly thereafter and thence availing myself of a service provider who subscribed to the PPC. Your attendant will be able to confirm this in court, should you wish to pursue the matter.


    In the meantime I will be reporting you to the SRA unless I receive a satisfactory explanation from you as to why you are implying that your most recent correspondence is a LBC, and why you have added £54 to the charge.


    Yours etc.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 18th Oct 16, 9:47 PM
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    Leaving the site? Read this.

    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=16231)

    Since that case there is no knowledge of any other 'leaving the site' case getting to a county court.

    And as Simon Renshaw-Smith heads up both Excel and VCS and was ordered to appear before the judge following the Ibbotson case, I don't expect there'll be much of an appetite to chance his arm again!
    NEWBIES - wise up - DO NOT IGNORE A PARKING CHARGE NOTICE - you have been warned!

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Please note: I am NOT involved in any 'paid for' appeals service.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 18th Oct 16, 11:51 PM
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    I think the above post (and link) is very valid , remind them that both the attendant and Mr Simon Renshaw-Smith will be requested to appear in the CC , where a mention of a previous issue of "stupid attendant" syndrome will be mentioned along with reference to the prior court claim
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 19th Oct 16, 12:43 AM
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    Do not admit to leaving the site. Bad enough that he admitted being the driver, don't make it worse!

    I suggest always responding to BW Legal. The driver can just ask for a copy of the contract they contend he breached, and ask for the evidence that the client holds that he 'left the site' because to his memory, he shopped at xxxxx store and has a receipt to prove it. Don't bust a gut over it because there will be an exchange of letters for weeks and weeks, and BW Legal might try a small claim anyway (defendable - we have not seen one go further once a forum defence was submitted, AFAIK).

    You will find an SRA complaint template (geared towards certain letters from BW Legal that your friend might not have even got yet, so hold your horses) in LoveNorfolk's thread about BW Legal.
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    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

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