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    • frutosochi
    • By frutosochi 18th Oct 16, 4:43 PM
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    Gladstones Solicitors - Quick question
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    • 18th Oct 16, 4:43 PM
    Gladstones Solicitors - Quick question 18th Oct 16 at 4:43 PM
    Earlier this year I received a parking fine from County Parking Enforcement Agency Ltd for parking in my flat car park and not displaying my permit. I appealed via Email and unsurprisingly was told it couldn't be cancelled.

    I have since ignored two debt recovery letters from Debt Recovery Plus and two letters from Zenith on advice from this forum, however I have now received a letter (10 days ago) from Gladstones Solicitors informing me that if I don't pay DRPL, they may instruct Gladstones to take legal action against me.

    I've seen that I should also ignore this letter as it's not a LBC, but my concern is that I have since moved from my previous address where these letters were sent to, and I was not going to inform any of the debt recovery companies that I have moved.

    Will this be a potential issue going forward? Should I just continue to ignore?

    Many thanks.
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    • Carthesis
    • By Carthesis 18th Oct 16, 4:49 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 4:49 PM
    You'll need to update them about your new address, just in case they do try to take it to court.

    Write to DR+ and inform them that the debt is disputed. Inform them of a change in address.

    Then continue to ignore.
    • frutosochi
    • By frutosochi 18th Oct 16, 5:12 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 5:12 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 5:12 PM
    Thank you for the quick response. Is there a template anywhere that I could use for this? As honestly I have no idea where to start.

    Incidentally I'd have been tempted to just pay the fine to get it off my mind, but the varying degree of how much they ask for each time is hilarious.

    First attempt - £100, but £50 if paid within 2 weeks.
    Second attempt - £140
    Third - £119
    Fourth - £140, but willing to accept £100
    Fifth - £100, but £140 after 14 days
    Current - £160

    Are they even allowed to do this?
    • catfunt
    • By catfunt 18th Oct 16, 5:28 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 5:28 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 5:28 PM
    For goodness sake don't pay it, no-one here will recommend that.

    There is no template, but it won't take a long letter. Something like...

    "Dear bottom feeders,

    The debt is denied. Please refer this back to your client.

    Please be advised that I have now moved home, and my new address is:

    (new address)

    Any attempt to serve court papers to my old address will be regarded as unreasonable behaviour.

    Proof of posting will be obtained from the Post Office and will be kept with a copy of this letter.

    lots of love

    frutosochi"

    And get a free proof of posting from the Post Office (don't use recorded!)
    Got a Private Parking Notice??
    ** Do Not Pay
    ** Do Not Ignore a Notice to Keeper (except Scotland)
    ** Do not mention who was driving (No "Me" Myself" "I")
    ** Never, ever phone a Private Parking Company
    ** Please read the NEWBIES thread at the top of the forum
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 18th Oct 16, 5:35 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 5:35 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 5:35 PM
    Yes just send your new address but remind them you are not liable as you are only the registered keeper. Say you are only supplying your new address in case the parking firm actually believes they have a cause of action for a claim, or so that DRPlus can confirm the charge is cancelled and that they've removed your data from their records. Tell them that the driver will not be identified and the parking firm did not comply with the POFA so they have no case.

    I would finish by saying 'Please don't insult me with DRPlus' laughable template letter about 'My findings' because this is not an appeal, it is merely confirmation of my address for service of court papers or a cancellation letter.'

    BTW even if you get a Gladstone's claim, take heart from the fact we have never this year so far, seen a defended one where we've assisted, go any further than Directions Questionnaire (the stage after a defence was filed). No hearings on here, not with Gladstones cases.

    Those that do go to hearings off-MSE are often won at hearings anyway (Google 'Parking Prankster Gladstones bungle' and 'Parking Prankster been Gladstoned' and read the resulting Blogs about all the cases parking firms have taken a hit over and lost!).
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • frutosochi
    • By frutosochi 18th Oct 16, 5:43 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 5:43 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 5:43 PM
    Thanks for the replies catfunt and coupon.

    Am I still unable to claim that I'm not liable and only the registered keeper when I sent an appeal to County Parking?

    The appeal read like this (I realise it was stupid but it was before I had sought advice):


    "PCN Date - [Date]

    PCN Number - [PCN Number}

    Vehicle Reg - [Reg]

    Vehicle Make / Model - [Make Model]

    Name - [My Name]

    Address - [My Address]

    Contact No - [My Number]


    Reason for Appeal:

    I currently hold a valid parking permit for this parking spot. Unfortunately I went to work this morning and came home feeling rather unwell. Due to feeling unwell, I didn't realise that my parking permit was not displayed correctly on my dashboard, which it is now.

    Please accept my apologies for this.

    I have attached proof of the parking permit now displayed on my dashboard. Please let me know if there is anything further you require.

    Many thanks."

    I feel like there is too much emphasis on me being the driver in the original appeal for that to work.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 18th Oct 16, 5:50 PM
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    Thank you for the quick response. Is there a template anywhere that I could use for this? As honestly I have no idea where to start.

    Incidentally I'd have been tempted to just pay the fine to get it off my mind, but the varying degree of how much they ask for each time is hilarious.

    First attempt - £100, but £50 if paid within 2 weeks.
    Second attempt - £140
    Third - £119
    Fourth - £140, but willing to accept £100
    Fifth - £100, but £140 after 14 days
    Current - £160

    Are they even allowed to do this?
    Originally posted by frutosochi
    Don't pay the scammers. They are the same as begging letters from the Nigerian scammers

    The problem is that DRP already know of the Gladstones court failures as shown here many times. Would they really tell County Parking Enforcement Agency Ltd (the principal) to get Gladstones on the case so it will cost them money for another failed case.

    Any parking company who does not want to get "Gladstoned" by Gladstones should instruct them on a "no win, no fee" basis only.
    Then lets see how smart Gladstones are ?

    IS THIS ALLOWED ???

    Right now at 5.30pm on the 18th Oct 2016 .... YES, Theresa May's government allow it

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5524754
    Last edited by beamerguy; 18-10-2016 at 5:53 PM.
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    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 18th Oct 16, 7:14 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 7:14 PM
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    Thanks for the replies catfunt and coupon.

    Am I still unable to claim that I'm not liable and only the registered keeper when I sent an appeal to County Parking?

    The appeal read like this (I realise it was stupid but it was before I had sought advice):


    "PCN Date - [Date]

    PCN Number - [PCN Number}

    Vehicle Reg - [Reg]

    Vehicle Make / Model - [Make Model]

    Name - [My Name]

    Address - [My Address]

    Contact No - [My Number]


    Reason for Appeal:

    I currently hold a valid parking permit for this parking spot. Unfortunately I went to work this morning and came home feeling rather unwell. Due to feeling unwell, I didn't realise that my parking permit was not displayed correctly on my dashboard, which it is now.

    Please accept my apologies for this.

    I have attached proof of the parking permit now displayed on my dashboard. Please let me know if there is anything further you require.

    Many thanks."

    I feel like there is too much emphasis on me being the driver in the original appeal for that to work.
    Originally posted by frutosochi



    hand it to them on a plate , "THE driver" , NOT I
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • frutosochi
    • By frutosochi 18th Oct 16, 7:24 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 7:24 PM
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    • 18th Oct 16, 7:24 PM
    hand it to them on a plate , "THE driver" , NOT I
    Originally posted by pappa golf
    I know I cocked up on this. As I said it was before I had sought advice, and my head wasn't right due to feeling awful. Thanks anyway, I'll omit the part about not being responsible.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 19th Oct 16, 12:55 AM
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    Am I still unable to claim that I'm not liable and only the registered keeper when I sent an appeal to County Parking?
    No because you said who was driving- but it's not the end of the World, LOADS of people muck that up then come here and grab victory from the jaws of defeat!

    Gladstones cases are defendable even if you get a claim. Here's a thread which shows a reply to a Gladstones letter and which has (as usual) now gone to court claim stage. The person is not panicking and there is another link there to just one of LOADS of Gladstones defences on forums this Summer:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5517271

    Come back when they serve court papers and DO NOT PANIC. As I said, we have a lot of success.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 19-10-2016 at 1:02 AM.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

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