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    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 17th Oct 16, 11:04 AM
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    UKCPS the official update
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    • 17th Oct 16, 11:04 AM
    UKCPS the official update 17th Oct 16 at 11:04 AM
    Dear Mr xxxx,

    Thank you for your email.

    I can confirm that on the 13th October 2016, DVLA were made aware that UKCPS’ Accredited Operator Scheme membership had been suspended. Therefore they would be unable to access DVLA vehicle keeper data until membership is regained.

    I believe the date held on the IPC website was incorrect. I note this has now been amended to show 13/10/2016

    I hope this information helps to answer your query.

    Kind regards

    David Dunford
    Data Sharing Strategy & Compliance
    Strategy, Policy & Communications Directorate | D16 | DVLA | Swansea | SA99 1DY
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    indeed the IPC page has been amended again
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
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    • catrin 666
    • By catrin 666 21st Oct 16, 2:52 PM
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    • 21st Oct 16, 2:52 PM
    UKCPS at the pre IAS stage
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    • 21st Oct 16, 2:52 PM
    Sorry I don't know how to do a first post / new thread so forgive me with replying to this one though it seems relevant.

    I parked on 090916 in a car park which basically that day had moved from public (council) to private ownership (permit only) as building work being done.There were no signs in the car park but I believe in retrospect there was a small one outside. Now of course there are signs all over the car park... I did not get a photo on the day as I did not see the sticker until I got home !!. They claim there were signs on the day. there were several innocent drivers parking on the day I did..we were asking each other where have the machines gone and where do we pay? there were no fine signs visible.

    I am a law abiding citizen and i don't want to go to court but i sincerely believe there was no signage. I ma not the keeper my husband it. we have not had a keeper letter.

    I have not given them name (signed letter The Keeper) but did appeal in writing using MSE template. Standard letter back on 04.10 offering chance to appeal to IAS.

    Should I do so or not, given the information here that they are suspended from getting keeper details presumably for malpractice ? If so what are my chances. Or better just to ignore now?
    • catrin 666
    • By catrin 666 21st Oct 16, 2:58 PM
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    • 21st Oct 16, 2:58 PM
    UKCPS fine what to do if suspended
    • #3
    • 21st Oct 16, 2:58 PM
    Sorry i should have said it was UKCPS I parked at
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 21st Oct 16, 3:30 PM
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    • #4
    • 21st Oct 16, 3:30 PM
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    • 21st Oct 16, 3:30 PM
    OK , UKCPA were banned on the 13th October , your incident was on 09 sept , UKCPS are not allowed to contact the DVLA for 28 days after the ticket , therefor that makes it fri 7th oct and they were banned on the 13th


    so there is about a 3 day gap , if you receive any more paperwork referring to this , return
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 21st Oct 16, 5:20 PM
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    • #5
    • 21st Oct 16, 5:20 PM
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    • 21st Oct 16, 5:20 PM
    I have not given them name (signed letter The Keeper) but did appeal in writing using MSE template. Standard letter back on 04.10 offering chance to appeal to IAS.
    Good move.

    They have no name to sue or pursue! It seems they may just have missed out on getting your data...

    I parked on 090916 in a car park which basically that day had moved from public (council) to private ownership (permit only) as building work being done.There were no signs in the car park but I believe in retrospect there was a small one outside.
    I wonder if that's the sort of thing that got them suspended? They are not allowed to ticket where there are no signs up and to do so within 24 hours of the site changing from Council Pay and Display is sharp practice.

    You can ignore the letters all the time they come addressed to 'the keeper' and we do not expect they will be allowed to retrospectively get your DVLA data.

    To ensure this, I suggest you email the DVLA, tell them what happened and all about this location (where it is, the fact it was unsigned and why) and expressly forbid your data to be supplied regarding this incident on xx/xx/16. Say you know that UKCPS are suspended but you need to be certain they will not under any circumstances, be allowed to get your data after their little slap on the wrist expires.

    Say that the fact UKCPS have been ticketing when there were no signs up within the site and no warning of a change of enforcement, needs referring as a serious complaint to the IPC as well, to add to the sanction points record. Require that the DVLA raise this with the IPC themselves WITHOUT divulging your details because you cannot, due to the scandal that allows the IPC make it impossible for consumers to make complaints about AOS members without registering their name, address and whether they are a driver/keeper etc. Since UKCPS are not entitled to this information say that you DO NOT agree to be forced to supply it to the IPC purely to contact that ATA Trade Body.

    email this guy:

    david.dunford@dvla.gsi.gov.uk

    Also please join our campaign, your complaint is a serious one for the Government to hear about:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5524754&page=6

    ...and tell your MP and Mrs May, in writing by post, what UKCPS have done and complain that the IPC make it impossible for consumers to openly contact them with complaints without registering your details in full (which in this case with a suspended company is wholly inappropriate). This prevents you and other people from complaining.

    By comparison, the BPA offer an email address and do not insist on full details from a complainant. Neither are fit for purpose as they act for the rogue firms and not for consumers. Finish by pointing out that the Plain Language Commission stated: "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK" and unfortunately the IPC, with its questionable conflicts of interest and 'kangaroo court' of an 'IAS appeal service' (an insult to consumers) is considered far worse by people who have suffered by their conduct and that of their members.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 21-10-2016 at 5:27 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • catrin 666
    • By catrin 666 21st Oct 16, 5:24 PM
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    • 21st Oct 16, 5:24 PM
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    • 21st Oct 16, 5:24 PM
    First please be reassured I have read all the stickies and links .

    1,. All I have had ( addressed to Sir/madam dated 4/10 was a rejection to the first appeal to UKCPS which does not address any of the issues I raised ( template letter).It does not say 'letter to keeper.' anywhere on it . Does this constitute a letter

    2, My dead line for appeal to IAS is 24 th I have read all the newbie stuff and the advice not to appeal to IAS. IF we do appeal (or my husband does as keeper - understand that is the best way - is that correct ?) what are we losing out on? But I dont feel we can make a strong case without a photo of the lack of signage ( and subsequently they have put signage there). Is there a chance they will go away at this stage.?

    If we do not have a letter to keeper by the 56 days (i.e. About 5 November) are we in a stronger position in any subsequent wranglings ?)

    4. Why are they banned - does this make appeal to the IAS more likely to succeed ?

    thank you
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 21st Oct 16, 5:30 PM
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    • 21st Oct 16, 5:30 PM
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    • 21st Oct 16, 5:30 PM
    We don't know why they are banned but this is usually for racking up too many sanction points - the most serious breaches include conduct like ticketing when there are no signs up!

    Actually, ask David Dunford when you email him (seriously, please do! He is open with his replies and if he can say, he will - probably won't!).

    I think an IAS appeal might kill it (and should) but they do not have your name! INTERESTING. Trouble is with the IAS, you have to say your name and register before using it.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 21-10-2016 at 5:33 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • catrin 666
    • By catrin 666 21st Oct 16, 5:31 PM
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    • 21st Oct 16, 5:31 PM
    thanks coupon mad
    • #8
    • 21st Oct 16, 5:31 PM
    from Coupon Mad

    email this guy:

    david.dunford@dvla.gsi.gov.uk

    YES I WILL THANK YOU , MY LAST POST CROSSED YOURS
    • catrin 666
    • By catrin 666 21st Oct 16, 5:35 PM
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    • 21st Oct 16, 5:35 PM
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    • 21st Oct 16, 5:35 PM
    We don't know why they are banned but this is usually for racking up too many sanction points - the most serious breaches include conduct like ticketing when there are no signs up!

    Actually, ask David Dunford when you email him (seriously, please do! He is open with his replies and if he can say, he will - probably won't!).

    I think an IAS appeal might kill it (and should) but they do not have your name! INTERESTING. Trouble is with the IAS, you have to say your name and register before using it.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    BUT as you say IAS WOULD HAVE MY NAME IF I or hubby appeal to IAS because you have to put a name and email in even a dodgy email didn't work - I tried
    • catrin 666
    • By catrin 666 21st Oct 16, 5:35 PM
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    How long will their ban be for ??
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 21st Oct 16, 5:45 PM
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    How long will their ban be for ??
    Originally posted by catrin 666
    We don't know. We don't know why they were banned either. Neither the PPC or IPC will tell you if you ask. The DVLA might, but I doubt that they will unless you have compelling reasons for them to do so.
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    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 21st Oct 16, 7:13 PM
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    Sorry to say that my suspicions go much deeper than just a PPC being suspended by the IPC.

    UKCPS are of course a nasty company but, so are all the members of the IPC who no doubt joined the IPC because it was an easy ride with the kangaroo IAS who very rarely approved appeals.
    Indeed ALL IPC members should be suspended/banned due to mal practice.

    This decision is out of character with Gladstones/IPC as they have flouted many times their duty as a ATA.

    In correspondence I have seen, Lord (Tariq) Ahmed of Wimbledon, appears to think there is nothing wrong with IPC ?
    Marcus Jones MP thinks the same ?

    Shortly, we hope, the DCLG will make public their plans with the private parking industry. It seems that the DCLG has ignored many valid points given in a consultation to which many here responded to.

    No doubt Gladstones/IPC have been monitored and if the DCLG acted in a proper and professional manner it would be the IPC who are suspended as being an ATA.
    The IPC being run by Gladstones is simply not fit for purpose

    I therefore conclude that the DCLG needed to see at least some credibility from the IPC and the best way to do this was to suspend a member, could have been any member ?

    If this assumption is not true, then the IPC with their invisible assessor should come clean and explain why UKCPS has been suspended ...... but the IPC is not a credible ATA and never will be.

    I understand that Theresa May is a straight type of person and would be horrified if she discovered that her departments were against the British public that she has vowed to protect.

    Anyone writing to Mrs May should now include their reasons as to why the IPC is not suitable in this scammers industry.

    Right now it's +1 to the IPC and zero for the BPA
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    • catrin 666
    • By catrin 666 21st Oct 16, 7:29 PM
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    Well it seems important to flag more clearly on the forums that people should not knee jerk respond to a UKCPS ticket...
    Still dont know whether to go the IAS route and thereby reveal identity and without any evidence to contradict their no doubt false photos.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 21st Oct 16, 7:35 PM
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    Well it seems important to flag more clearly on the forums that people should not knee jerk respond to a UKCPS ticket...
    Still dont know whether to go the IAS route and thereby reveal identity and without any evidence to contradict their no doubt false photos.
    Originally posted by catrin 666


    you have asked for advice , advice has been given


    now do what YOU want




    close the door on the way out
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 21st Oct 16, 7:50 PM
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    Well it seems important to flag more clearly on the forums that people should not knee jerk respond to a UKCPS ticket...
    Still dont know whether to go the IAS route and thereby reveal identity and without any evidence to contradict their no doubt false photos.
    Originally posted by catrin 666
    I have never had need to use the IAS so unable to say what their web site requires.

    The main point is that you are the Keeper and not the driver.

    It would be interesting to see how they perform with a company they have suspended ?
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • catrin 666
    • By catrin 666 21st Oct 16, 8:10 PM
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    you have asked for advice , advice has been given


    now do what YOU want




    close the door on the way out
    Originally posted by pappa golf
    Hmm interesting stance

    I haven't had any advice yet on whether to go to IAS or not - just to

    a) contact DVLA ( I have immediately )
    b) Contact MP (I will)
    c) not to contact UKCPS ( I wont)

    Its the IAS Im not sure of and I have a deadline of Sunday. The experts are here.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 21st Oct 16, 8:16 PM
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    the IPC cannot and will not offer an appeal service for a company that is (in their own words) "AOS membership currently inactive" https://www.theipc.info/aos-members/u


    so do what YOU want , any company that is not in an AOS cannot get your details from the DVLA , and would be shot down in court
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 21st Oct 16, 8:20 PM
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    Hmm interesting stance

    I haven't had any advice yet on whether to go to IAS or not - just to

    a) contact DVLA ( I have immediately )
    b) Contact MP (I will)
    c) not to contact UKCPS ( I wont)

    Its the IAS Im not sure of and I have a deadline of Sunday. The experts are here.
    Originally posted by catrin 666
    In general it is said not to use the IAS as they are useless and your appeal will be declined anyway.

    But in the current situation with the PPC, it would be new waters for us.
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

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    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 21st Oct 16, 8:20 PM
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    What about their new member. Joined today....

    https://www.theipc.info/aos-members/w
    General Election coming up? Your MP worried about his/her job? Give them something to do and get them to sort out these parking cowboys. Search "Theyworkforyou" for the name of your MP.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 21st Oct 16, 8:22 PM
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    oh my god , that makes the rest look good


    although , he still does not look to be registered with companies house
    Last edited by pappa golf; 21-10-2016 at 8:25 PM.
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
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