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    • Chrisey
    • By Chrisey 16th Oct 16, 9:53 PM
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    Ukcps I'm so worried I don't understand all these links on here
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    • 16th Oct 16, 9:53 PM
    Ukcps I'm so worried I don't understand all these links on here 16th Oct 16 at 9:53 PM
    I'm so distraught, I wasn't well and parked in the range disabled bay, needed the loo as I have medical problems, I am diabetic and have fibromyalgia both make you forgetful, I'm nearly 62, memory problems, I forgot to put my blue badge up, I wasn't even aware I was in a parking site you have to pay in, anyway that day I wasn't well came from an appoint that was stressful at my clinic, I even forget my shopping at the range and had to go back in to get it, I left it on the tills, when I got home I noticed a parking charge stuck on my windscreen, 11.00. - 1105. The loos are way up the lift and at back of store, I could never have got there and back and shopped within 5 mins of receiving this charge. £100. Oh my where do I find that sort of money, I suffer with mental health problems and this is tipping me over the edge, I have written to the range they say this is to stop unauthorised use of their car parks (but I was a customer that day), I have written explaining to ukcps that I don't have to give the name of the driver but explained what happened. No reply. What can I do please help? Should I borrow £100 I'm devastated, my memory is awful I was being tested for dementia at one point but I'm ok, just all my meds making me confused and my illnesses making me forget things.
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    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 16th Oct 16, 9:57 PM
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    • #2
    • 16th Oct 16, 9:57 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 9:57 PM
    what date was the ticket issued? and I note you have not named yourself UKCPS are currently banned from DVLA access to get the keepers details


    what date was the incident?
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Chrisey
    • By Chrisey 16th Oct 16, 10:00 PM
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    • #3
    • 16th Oct 16, 10:00 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:00 PM
    what date was the ticket issued? and I note you have not named yourself UKCPS are currently banned from DVLA access to get the keepers details


    what date was the incident?
    Originally posted by pappa golf
    Hi was a week last thu no I didn't name myself
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 16th Oct 16, 10:05 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:05 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:05 PM
    ok , UKCPS are not allowed to get the keepers details until day 28 after the event and must write to you before day 56 , so they cannot get your details for another 3 weeks (legally) watch this page for updates https://www.theipc.info/aos-members/u


    they are now marked as inactive , as in not suspended , but no longer a parking company


    sit back , chill out , but reply on this thread if you get any more paper work from them
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Chrisey
    • By Chrisey 16th Oct 16, 10:13 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:13 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:13 PM
    The range were awful as well I can put their reply on here to me if you like, it's not nice... Thank you for your reply.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 16th Oct 16, 10:17 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:17 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:17 PM
    nope , it sounds about right for the range , now vote with your feet and do not use them again
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 16th Oct 16, 10:25 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:25 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:25 PM
    Wait and see what UKCPS reply with and show us that.

    As pappa golf says, they are currently 'inactive' and were temporarily marked as 'suspended' by the IPC this week:

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/ipc-suspend-ukcps.html?showComment=1476483269493

    It means they can't get DVLA data (registered keeper's name and address) so people need to ignore UKCPS PCNs if they get a windscreen PCN from that firm right now.

    But you have already written and given them your name and address, so I would expect them to send you a rejection letter. Trouble is, they wont be in a position to offer you further appeal via the IAS but if they do, then I would suggest this is a case to submit to the IAS. I think UKCPS will be unable to take part in the IAS and then the appellant should win by default but we've not tested that yet.

    Don't worry about this. We can help you at any stage, even if you get court papers this is defendable.

    A case like yours was won in the case of Excel v Greenwood on 4th October 2013, claim number 3QT60496 where the judge decided that the Operator had a legal duty to make a 'reasonable adjustment' for a genuine disabled person. Mr Greenwood had MS and a feature of that condition (like yours) was forgetfulness, so he could not be penalised for forgetting to display his Blue Badge and the charge was deemed unrecoverable, as a result.

    Any failure to make a 'reasonable adjustment' when a service provider knows about a disability, renders a contract terms unenforceable. The Equality Act 2010 says so. Don't worry and please don't pay or panic.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 16th Oct 16, 10:31 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:31 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:31 PM
    inactive must be worse than suspended , blimey this is making trev look good !


    gonna cost them a lot however gary Deegan has a few nire companies , just sat waiting to be resurrected https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/kplqzNHP_KfbgBeaL2BfAGoHXUw/appointments
    including network eye , and forcourt eye that was started in september this year , its obvious he knew what was happening
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 16th Oct 16, 10:57 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:57 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:57 PM
    deegan (ukcps) branches out http://www.forecourteye.com/3247-2/
    Last edited by pappa golf; 16-10-2016 at 11:08 PM.
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 17th Oct 16, 11:09 AM
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    Dear Mr xxxx,

    Thank you for your email.

    I can confirm that on the 13th October 2016, DVLA were made aware that UKCPS’ Accredited Operator Scheme membership had been suspended. Therefore they would be unable to access DVLA vehicle keeper data until membership is regained.

    I believe the date held on the IPC website was incorrect. I note this has now been amended to show 13/10/2016

    I hope this information helps to answer your query.

    Kind regards

    David Dunford
    Data Sharing Strategy & Compliance
    Strategy, Policy & Communications Directorate | D16 | DVLA | Swansea | SA99 1DY
    Twitter: @dvlagovuk

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    Find out more at: www.gov.uk/vehicletaxrules






    indeed the IPC page has been amended again
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • The Slithy Tove
    • By The Slithy Tove 17th Oct 16, 12:32 PM
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    inactive must be worse than suspended , blimey this is making trev look good !


    gonna cost them a lot however gary Deegan has a few nire companies , just sat waiting to be resurrected https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/kplqzNHP_KfbgBeaL2BfAGoHXUw/appointments
    including network eye , and forcourt eye that was started in september this year , its obvious he knew what was happening
    Originally posted by pappa golf
    I'm sure a whole new parking company will phoenix out of this which, of course, will not be connected in any way with UKCPS, oh no.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 17th Oct 16, 12:38 PM
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    http://www.forecourteye.com/
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Chrisey
    • By Chrisey 27th Oct 16, 8:36 PM
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    Ukcps uncaring.
    I've had another letter from them rejecting my appeal, and the range refuse to give me the cctv documentation seeing me go back in because I forgot my shopping. I'm so upset, nearly over the edge, my life has changed so much this year since Bob died, they say if I want to appeal then the £100 will apply, that's so much money to me.
    They say in the letter they have ELECTRONIC access to the DVLA database and all the specific points I told them about, I.e. Bob dying, my illnesses that cause forgetfulness are irrelevant.
    Can anyone help me I'm really struggling with this I feel like I'm being kicked when down.




    I'm so distraught, I wasn't well and parked in the range disabled bay, needed the loo as I have medical problems, I am diabetic and have fibromyalgia both make you forgetful, I'm nearly 62, memory problems, I forgot to put my blue badge up, I wasn't even aware I was in a parking site you have to pay in, anyway that day I wasn't well came from an appoint that was stressful at my clinic, I even forget my shopping at the range and had to go back in to get it, I left it on the tills, when I got home I noticed a parking charge stuck on my windscreen, 11.00. - 1105. The loos are way up the lift and at back of store, I could never have got there and back and shopped within 5 mins of receiving this charge. £100. Oh my where do I find that sort of money, I suffer with mental health problems and this is tipping me over the edge, I have written to the range they say this is to stop unauthorised use of their car parks (but I was a customer that day), I have written explaining to ukcps that I don't have to give the name of the driver but explained what happened. No reply. What can I do please help? Should I borrow £100 I'm devastated, my memory is awful I was being tested for dementia at one point but I'm ok, just all my meds making me confused and my illnesses making me forget things.
    Originally posted by Chrisey
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 27th Oct 16, 8:41 PM
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    they tell lies , as a ticket was placed on the car , they cannot apply for details until 28 days , guess what , they are banned from getting info from the DVLA!


    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=71465869&postcount=10


    without this ability , they cannot continue
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Chrisey
    • By Chrisey 27th Oct 16, 8:57 PM
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    But what happens, will I get into trouble with courts and fines and debt collectors if I don't pay?
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 27th Oct 16, 9:11 PM
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    how can a PARKING company take you to court is they are not members of an ATA , and cannot offer an adjudication service .


    there is no method of appeal with this company , you cannot go to the IPC , therefor whilst they are acting as a PARKING company they are snookered


    do not contact them , they will hound you with threatening letters and get debt collectors onto you , but stand fast DO NOT contact them !


    only and only if they are foolish enough to start court action (how?) then return.


    you need to inform the range that the parking co they have hired are no longer able to LEGALLY do their job
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 27th Oct 16, 11:20 PM
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    I have written explaining to ukcps that I don't have to give the name of the driver but explained what happened.
    Stop there. You are right, stop replying top UKCPS, you have said enough. Stop worrying about the letters. they are writing back because you gave them your address but they do not know who was driving and cannot hold a keeper liable.

    They say in the letter they have ELECTRONIC access to the DVLA database and all the specific points I told them about, I.e. Bob dying, my illnesses that cause forgetfulness are irrelevant.
    What is the date on the letter that says they 'have electronic access to data'?

    I would be minded to email that letter to the DVLA and ask them what they think of UKCPS who are banned from getting data, telling a vulnerable widow that they 'can get the keeper's data':

    david.dunford@dvla.gsi.gov.uk

    Send him a copy of that letter and explain your position (briefly) and ask if UKCPS are allowed to lie and say they have access to DVLA data when they are banned? And ask Mr Dunford, are IPC members allowed to breach the Equality Act by harassing people who meet the definition of disability? Tell him you have not dared to complain to the IPC Trade Body because of the bad publicity about them and because they do not provide an open email address, instead expecting consumer victims to register an account with ALL their details - saying who was driver/keeper and other private information - before even complaining.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 27-10-2016 at 11:25 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 28th Oct 16, 1:56 AM
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    Please please please ... listen to the help you are getting ...

    imagine if you had lots of ££$$££ you would not get better help if you went to solicitors ......

    this forum help is best you will ever get ... there is one other forum .... but the same people who help out here post there ....

    CM is most definitely on the PPC Xmas card list

    I know it is hard to place trust in an on line forum .....

    but please try

    good luck

    Ralph
    • Chrisey
    • By Chrisey 28th Oct 16, 12:03 PM
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    The date on the letter is the 25 October 2016.
    • Chrisey
    • By Chrisey 28th Oct 16, 12:28 PM
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    I've emailed watchdog and also David Dunford at the DVLA, I almost paid it last night as I'm getting confused.
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