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    • JS477
    • By JS477 16th Oct 16, 3:26 PM
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    CB ESA Tax Years
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    • 16th Oct 16, 3:26 PM
    CB ESA Tax Years 16th Oct 16 at 3:26 PM
    A friend has told the DWP cannot pay him CB ESA from March 1st 2016 because he hasn't paid enough NIC or got enough NIC credits for tax years ending 5th April 2013 and 5th April 2014. Is this correct if he stopped working in November 2014 where he was paying NIC from his salary?
    Why is homo$exual a censored word and I bet this gets reported.
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    • p00hsticks
    • By p00hsticks 16th Oct 16, 4:12 PM
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    A friend has told the DWP cannot pay him CB ESA from March 1st 2016 because he hasn't paid enough NIC or got enough NIC credits for tax years ending 5th April 2013 and 5th April 2014. Is this correct if he stopped working in November 2014 where he was paying NIC from his salary?
    Originally posted by JS477
    I'm a bit confused by your dates here. If he first submitted a claim in March 2016 the relevant tax years considered should have been 2013-14 and 2014-15.

    I believe CB ESA is only payable for a year - do you therefore perhaps mean that he was first awarded it in March 2015 (where his eligibilty would depend on his NI contributions in the years you quote) and his payments were therefore stopped a year later, in March 2016 ?
    • JS477
    • By JS477 16th Oct 16, 4:54 PM
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    I'm a bit confused by your dates here. If he first submitted a claim in March 2016 the relevant tax years considered should have been 2013-14 and 2014-15.

    I believe CB ESA is only payable for a year - do you therefore perhaps mean that he was first awarded it in March 2015 (where his eligibilty would depend on his NI contributions in the years you quote) and his payments were therefore stopped a year later, in March 2016 ?
    Originally posted by p00hsticks
    My apologies. Reading the papers again (and more carefully this time) I note that he was in the assessment phase of ESA from 3rd Feb 2015. He eventually underwent the WCA in November 2015 after filling out the ESA50 on 15/02/2016 and got 0 points; he went through the MR process, no change of decision, then went to appeal where he won and was placed in the WRAG for 1 year from 5/5/2016.

    confusingly this is what the letter dated 16th March from JCP says.

    "I have arranged to pay you arrears of the WRAG component from your 91st day 5/5/2015 to the 2/2/2016."

    His claim for CB ESA exhausted on the 2/2/2016 as it is only payable for 365 days. Presumably they take the time he spent in the assessment phase into account.

    So did they use the correct tax years when he entered the assessment phase on the 3/2/2015 if he has stopped working in November 2014?
    Why is homo$exual a censored word and I bet this gets reported.
    • Darksparkle
    • By Darksparkle 16th Oct 16, 5:00 PM
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    So he got his one year CB ESA WRAG? What's the issue then?

    12/13 and 13/14 would have been correct if applying in February 2015. 14/15 wouldn't have ended at that point so anything from April 14 to November 14 wouldn't be relevant.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 16th Oct 16, 5:39 PM
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    So he got his one year CB ESA WRAG? What's the issue then?
    Originally posted by Darksparkle
    The OP was asking a simple question about the correct tax years for the claim. What's your issue with that?
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 16th Oct 16, 5:50 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 5:50 PM
    why do you assume that dark sparkle has an issue?

    if the OP's friend has already received their 365 days of contributions based ESA, then that is the answer to their question and the reason that their claim has ended.

    they can apply for income related ESA instead, but eligibility depends on household income
    • Diary
    • By Diary 16th Oct 16, 5:51 PM
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    I'm a bit confused by your dates here. If he first submitted a claim in March 2016 the relevant tax years considered should have been 2013-14 and 2014-15.

    I believe CB ESA is only payable for a year - do you therefore perhaps mean that he was first awarded it in March 2015 (where his eligibilty would depend on his NI contributions in the years you quote) and his payments were therefore stopped a year later, in March 2016 ?
    Originally posted by p00hsticks

    Not relevant to op but might be for someone else,
    It's only contribution based esa wrag group that is payable for a year. If in the support group it's for as long as you're eligible for the support group.
    .Master Apothecary Faranell replied, “I assure you, overseer, the Royal Apothecary Society dearly wishes to make up for the tragic misguidance which ended so many lives. We will cause you no trouble. We seek only to continue our research in peace.
    • Darksparkle
    • By Darksparkle 16th Oct 16, 6:01 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 6:01 PM
    The OP was asking a simple question about the correct tax years for the claim. What's your issue with that?
    Originally posted by TELLIT01
    Which I answered.

    The OPs post seems to suggest they think the claim is incorrect, I was simply asking what their concern was. If it has been paid for a year then it is correct and nothing to do with NI contributions.
    • JS477
    • By JS477 16th Oct 16, 6:37 PM
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    NI confusion notwithstanding the confusion is where they say:-

    "I have arranged to pay you arrears of the WRAG component from your 91st day 5/5/2015 to the 2/2/2016."

    From the 5/5/2015 until he had his WCA in November 2015 he was in the assessment phase.
    Why is homo$exual a censored word and I bet this gets reported.
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 16th Oct 16, 6:50 PM
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    DWP letters are notoriously confusing and poorly worded.

    the part quoted related to the first day of the 14th week of the claim. this is the point where a group component starts to be paid.

    the letter also stated that this component will be backdated for 91 days.

    the confusion is that they haven't actually stated that the final date is when the claim ends, rather than it being part of the backdating
    • JS477
    • By JS477 16th Oct 16, 6:58 PM
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    [B]DWP letters are notoriously confusing and poorly worded.

    the part quoted related to the first day of the 14th week of the claim. this is the point where a group component starts to be paid.
    Originally posted by nannytone
    I thought you only got the WRAG or SG component after you went through the WCA. Up until the point of the WCA however long that took you just received the assessment rate.
    Why is homo$exual a censored word and I bet this gets reported.
    • Tommo1980
    • By Tommo1980 16th Oct 16, 7:07 PM
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    Payment will always be backdated to 14th week if allocated to a group after WCA.

    Tom
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 16th Oct 16, 7:08 PM
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    I thought you only got the WRAG or SG component after you went through the WCA. Up until the point of the WCA however long that took you just received the assessment rate.
    Originally posted by JS477
    youre correct in part.


    the group component isn't paid before the WCA.
    BUT it will be paid after the WCA and backdated to the first day of the 14th week of the claim.

    it was wrongly assumed that people would have this assessment by the 14th week of the claim.

    i first claimed in june 2011 and had my wca at the beginning of october 2011, so i only had 1 or 2 weeks backdating due.
    your friends claim was backdated by 91 days because of the delay in their assessment
    • JS477
    • By JS477 16th Oct 16, 7:15 PM
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    Payment will always be backdated to 14th week if allocated to a group after WCA.

    Tom
    Originally posted by Tommo1980
    He was only placed in the WRAG after an appeal was heard in early 2016 and gave him a year in the WRAG he'd used up his 365 days of CB ESA. I suppose what he needs to do now is find out if his CB ESA claim has been closed because he's deteriorated since his first claim and may get into the SG.
    Why is homo$exual a censored word and I bet this gets reported.
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 16th Oct 16, 8:58 PM
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    It may also be worth him continuing the ESa claim in order to receive NI credits towards the SP.
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