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    • **woody123**
    • By **woody123** 16th Oct 16, 1:06 PM
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    Applying to companies with no vacancies
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    • 16th Oct 16, 1:06 PM
    Applying to companies with no vacancies 16th Oct 16 at 1:06 PM
    Hi all,

    Could anyone help me on how best to word an email to a company that isn't recruiting at present.

    My grandfather worked for the company for over 25yrs, but unfortunately doesn't know anyone still connected to the business. I'm hoping to drop his name in somewhere in the hope someone has heard of him.

    I would like to attach my CV and to say that I am open to not only office roles, but also to train within the company.

    Thanks.
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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 16th Oct 16, 1:24 PM
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    You say your grandfather worked there for over 25 years but would anyone know him by name ?

    Is he a well known person linked to the busines ?
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    • ~Beanie~
    • By ~Beanie~ 16th Oct 16, 2:42 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 2:42 PM
    I wouldn't mention your grandfather at all, why do you think that dropping his name in would help your chances? Surely how he was as an employee has no bearing on how you might be.

    • robatwork
    • By robatwork 16th Oct 16, 3:20 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 3:20 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 3:20 PM
    Be vague in your covering letter eg. I really would appreciate the chance to work for you as a member of my family has experience working for xxx Ltd. and has recommended you as a great employer.

    If you get as far as interview you can name names.

    The letter will get taken more seriously if a) you find out who to address it to by name rather than "Human Resources" or MD - quick phone call should find this out - and b) if it has particular reasons why you are the right person for them apart from your familial links.
    • **woody123**
    • By **woody123** 16th Oct 16, 3:35 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 3:35 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 3:35 PM
    Thanks for the replies.

    A couple of people who are still there may remember my grandfather. It's a small to medium sized business, and he was works manager, and then office manager. He worked there for over 25 years. His brother also was a director there for around 15yrs. My grandfather retired in 1991.

    I'm still undecided on whether to mention names or not now. I may do as robatwork suggests and drop names in if I get to the interview stage.
    Last edited by **woody123**; 16-10-2016 at 3:40 PM.
    • 74jax
    • By 74jax 16th Oct 16, 5:09 PM
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    I wouldn't mention names. I recruit for a large company and go on what the person can offer. Not who they know.

    I think it might put me off if I thought someone thought name dropping would put them at an advantage.
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    • Savvy_Sue
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    The letter will get taken more seriously if a) you find out who to address it to by name rather than "Human Resources" or MD
    Originally posted by robatwork
    I'd put it stronger than that: letters and emails NOT addressed by name to the right person will get nowhere at all ...

    quick phone call should find this out
    Originally posted by robatwork
    And use that phone call to find out if they ever recruit in this way, and if not how they DO recruit, and if yes what sort of roles they recruit for in this way.

    and b) if it has particular reasons why you are the right person for them apart from your familial links.
    Originally posted by robatwork
    Indeed. Although if the surname is distinctive it may be worth using it at an early stage.

    One other tip, practice what you want to say in that phone call, have a list of things you want to say / questions you want to ask. Even if you are speaking to someone junior 'just' to get a name, you may get useful information which you can use in your application.
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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 16th Oct 16, 8:54 PM
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    I also wouldn't mention your grandfathers name. Maybe if someone who did know him recognised the surname (if you have the same surname) and asked are you related to so and so then reply.
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    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 16th Oct 16, 10:07 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 10:07 PM
    Hi all,

    Could anyone help me on how best to word an email to a company that isn't recruiting at present.

    My grandfather worked for the company for over 25yrs, but unfortunately doesn't know anyone still connected to the business. I'm hoping to drop his name in somewhere in the hope someone has heard of him.

    I would like to attach my CV and to say that I am open to not only office roles, but also to train within the company.

    Thanks.
    Originally posted by **woody123**
    Quite apart from the fact that they have no vacancies...

    Just because your grandfather worked there for 25 years, does not mean that anyone left has fond memories of him. How do you know that mentioning his name will be a benefit? You only have his word for it (I assume) - everyone he worked with may have hated his guts!

    And if you can't get a job on your own merits, then you don't deserve the job.
    • steampowered
    • By steampowered 16th Oct 16, 11:19 PM
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    I don't think there would be anything wrong mentioning his name in a covering email or a covering letter.

    You could phrase it as part of the reason why you are applying, which is true, as it helps show that you know a bit about the business.

    I think a long-standing family connection is quite nice, even if the person receiving the email didn't know him personally.
    Last edited by steampowered; 16-10-2016 at 11:25 PM.
    • mattcanary
    • By mattcanary 17th Oct 16, 10:42 PM
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    I wouldn't mention your grandfather at all, why do you think that dropping his name in would help your chances? Surely how he was as an employee has no bearing on how you might be.
    Originally posted by ~Beanie~
    It;s a natural way of showing the employer that they have a good reputation and would be a good company to work for,
    • SandC
    • By SandC 18th Oct 16, 9:01 AM
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    I agree, don't mention your grandfather's name. If he retired more recently then possibly, but 1991? Why haven't you applied at any time in the 25 years since then if you think it's such a great company? Sorry, but that's what I would be thinking!

    Instead, find out Head of HR or MD name if you can (we won't give out names if someone telephones as they often turn out to be cold callers) - try the website where they may have a 'who's who' section. Then send your CV - tailoring your skills to what you think may be required there, with a covering letter saying that you know the company and its good reputation in the area and believe you could be an asset etc and please keep me in mind for any vacancies of xxxx (whatever it is you are qualified and experienced in).

    Good luck. It's worth doing anyway, it's not going to do any harm. Worst that can happen is you hear nothing.
    • Helvetica Van Buren
    • By Helvetica Van Buren 18th Oct 16, 9:41 AM
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    Forget name-dropping. If nobody's heard of the person you're going to refer to (or worse still, didn't like him) you'll just look desperate.

    "Sirs,

    I am writing to express my desire to find employment with your organisation.

    [Current role or most recent if unemployed]

    [Explain why you want to work there]

    I've attached my CV for your consideration. I would appreciate the opportunity of an interview where I can further discuss my skills and demonstrate my suitability for [COMPANY NAME].

    Regards,

    OP"

    Something like that won't do any harm.
    Last edited by Helvetica Van Buren; 18-10-2016 at 9:43 AM.
    • steampowered
    • By steampowered 18th Oct 16, 10:14 AM
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    I still feel it is worth mentioning. It would fit as a small note in the "why you want to work here" section.

    Particularly if you would otherwise only be writing generic stuff about why you want to work there. And particularly if this is just a speculative application anyway.

    Personally I would add something to your covering email like "By the way, my grandfather (insert name) worked for your company for more than 25 years, although he retired some time ago. I mention that purely in case anybody remembers him".
    Last edited by steampowered; 18-10-2016 at 11:19 AM.
    • YouAsked
    • By YouAsked 18th Oct 16, 10:58 AM
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    I actually think it's quite sweet and could go one of two ways - either it's a traditional, family orientated company where such an approach would work wonders OR they'll think "who's this name dropping idiot? And we didn't like his grandfather either!"

    If you do decide to go down that route then add it in to the bit about why you want to work for that company, but don't dwell on it "blah blah, excellent reputation for xyz...blah blah...and on a personal note, my grandfather still speaks fondly of the 25 years he spent there".
    • PersianCatLady
    • By PersianCatLady 27th Oct 16, 10:12 PM
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    Forget name-dropping. If nobody's heard of the person you're going to refer to (or worse still, didn't like him) you'll just look desperate.
    Absolutely.
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