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    • melbury
    • By melbury 16th Oct 16, 12:21 PM
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    Buying Smart TV
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    • 16th Oct 16, 12:21 PM
    Buying Smart TV 16th Oct 16 at 12:21 PM
    I am looking to buy my first smart TV and find it all a bit confusing

    I have noticed that some TV's come with built-in WiFi but others don't. I had just assumed that the TV would pick up the WiFi signal from my router (which is upstairs) and this would be okay.

    If you buy a TV with built-in WiFi does it have it's own independent router incorporated within it? I have to say that my router would be a long way from the TV.

    So is it better to buy a TV with it built-in or doesn't it make a lot of difference?

    Why is everything so complicated?

    Many thanks.
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    • custardy
    • By custardy 16th Oct 16, 12:59 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 12:59 PM
    I am looking to buy my first smart TV and find it all a bit confusing

    I have noticed that some TV's come with built-in WiFi but others don't. I had just assumed that the TV would pick up the WiFi signal from my router (which is upstairs) and this would be okay.

    If you buy a TV with built-in WiFi does it have it's own independent router incorporated within it? I have to say that my router would be a long way from the TV.

    So is it better to buy a TV with it built-in or doesn't it make a lot of difference?

    Why is everything so complicated?

    Many thanks.
    Originally posted by melbury
    Built in Wifi means it will use your existing wifi to access online content.
    You need to weigh up the costs for built in/add on wifi. I personally just used an ethernet cable.
    What features are you wanting from this 'smart' TV?
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 16th Oct 16, 1:08 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 1:08 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 1:08 PM
    First of all do you get a decent wifi connection on say a smart phone, using ethernet might be a better option.
    Je Suis Charlie
    • googler
    • By googler 16th Oct 16, 1:28 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 1:28 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 1:28 PM
    Decide first what you want from your Smart TV, that will help.

    You may well find that merely adding a Google Chromecast, Amazon FireStick or similar to your existing setup will do what you want.

    What do you want?
    • melbury
    • By melbury 16th Oct 16, 1:51 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 1:51 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 1:51 PM
    Thanks for your replies.

    Basically all we want is to be able to view a few series that are only shown on Amazon or Netflix and OH would like to see the new Top Gear

    Our current TV is about 9 years old - a Panasonic plasma, so not sure if a FireStick would work on it. What do you think?

    As I said, the router is actually located upstairs so quite a distance from where the TV is. However, no problem with connecting to WiFi on laptop downstairs, so presumably signal would be strong enough.
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    • thescouselander
    • By thescouselander 16th Oct 16, 1:55 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 1:55 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 1:55 PM
    I wouldn't worry about the smart features - TV manufacturers don't support them and they'll slowly stop working as soon as the next model year comes along. Better to focus on the other aspects of the TV and add the smart features via an appropriate box.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 16th Oct 16, 2:10 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 2:10 PM
    Thanks for your replies.

    Basically all we want is to be able to view a few series that are only shown on Amazon or Netflix and OH would like to see the new Top Gear

    Our current TV is about 9 years old - a Panasonic plasma, so not sure if a FireStick would work on it. What do you think?

    As I said, the router is actually located upstairs so quite a distance from where the TV is. However, no problem with connecting to WiFi on laptop downstairs, so presumably signal would be strong enough.
    Originally posted by melbury
    Assuming you're an Amazon Prime & Netflix member then it would probably be better to get an Amazon Fire TV stick or box. Personally I prefer the box as you connect via ethernet using a homeplug, for some reason I find some programme playback on Netflix (Narcos, for example) to be a bit jerky via Wifi.

    As far as your existing TV is concerned, all you need is a spare HDMI input.
    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 16th Oct 16, 2:29 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 2:29 PM
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    • 16th Oct 16, 2:29 PM
    Thanks for your replies.

    Basically all we want is to be able to view a few series that are only shown on Amazon or Netflix and OH would like to see the new Top Gear

    Our current TV is about 9 years old - a Panasonic plasma, so not sure if a FireStick would work on it. What do you think?

    As I said, the router is actually located upstairs so quite a distance from where the TV is. However, no problem with connecting to WiFi on laptop downstairs, so presumably signal would be strong enough.
    Originally posted by melbury
    Top Gear will still be on the BBC, The Grand Tour on Amazon Video.

    As above, an Amazon Fire TV device or a Roku. Both will cover Amazon Video and Netflix as well as all the major UK iplayers.

    TV will should fine, my Panasonic plasma is about the same age and working fine with Amazon Fire TV box, Chromecast and Roku box.
    Last edited by Inner Zone; 16-10-2016 at 2:31 PM.
    • melbury
    • By melbury 16th Oct 16, 2:30 PM
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    Assuming you're an Amazon Prime & Netflix member then it would probably be better to get an Amazon Fire TV stick or box. Personally I prefer the box as you connect via ethernet using a homeplug, for some reason I find some programme playback on Netflix (Narcos, for example) to be a bit jerky via Wifi.

    As far as your existing TV is concerned, all you need is a spare HDMI input.
    Originally posted by neilmcl
    No I am not a Prime or Netflix member. I thought you could access quite a lot of things free of charge, but perhaps this isn't the case

    Not sure what you mean by preferring the "box" and connecting via ethernet? Is that something special that you have to buy?
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    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 16th Oct 16, 2:36 PM
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    No I am not a Prime or Netflix member. I thought you could access quite a lot of things free of charge, but perhaps this isn't the case

    Not sure what you mean by preferring the "box" and connecting via ethernet? Is that something special that you have to buy?
    Originally posted by melbury
    You can't access Netflix (legitimately) without membership afaik and the free stuff on Amazon would be fairly limited. The Fire TV Stick is wifi only whereas the Amazon Fire TV box can use both wifi and ethernet connections.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00UH2O6T2/ref=topnav_storetab_kin_ftv
    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 16th Oct 16, 2:36 PM
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    No I am not a Prime or Netflix member. I thought you could access quite a lot of things free of charge, but perhaps this isn't the case
    Originally posted by melbury
    Netflix is subscription. Most programming is included at no extra on Amazon Video if you get Prime but others such a latest films are initially chargeable unless you wait.

    Not sure what you mean by preferring the "box" and connecting via ethernet? Is that something special that you have to buy?
    Originally posted by melbury
    The Amazon Fire TV stick is Wi-Fi only, the box has the option of Wi-Fi or Ethernet.
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 16th Oct 16, 3:27 PM
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    No I am not a Prime or Netflix member. I thought you could access quite a lot of things free of charge, but perhaps this isn't the case

    Not sure what you mean by preferring the "box" and connecting via ethernet? Is that something special that you have to buy?
    Originally posted by melbury
    You can access the catch up services like BBC iPlayer, maybe ITV version and 4 On demand, are these what you were thinking of ?
    Je Suis Charlie
    • ColinFishwick
    • By ColinFishwick 16th Oct 16, 3:41 PM
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    My Samsung tv comes with wifi builtin and also ethernet. The wifi uses your own routers wifi but if signal isnt good then consider one of these. I have several of these around the house to bump wifi speeds up.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00GC3Z6I0

    One goes into router and another need mains to where you need tv, it can supply tv and say xbox with two ethernet and also boast wireless. I then have several of these https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00DEYDF8I.
    around the house and in garage where I have cctv so I can view it on my tablet/mobile


    I have a decent modern bought router Tplink Archer vr900 but i do get some slow speeds in some areas still as I dont use the new standard 5ghz ac

    PS smart tvs arent that smart and rarely get updated
    Last edited by ColinFishwick; 16-10-2016 at 3:45 PM.
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 16th Oct 16, 4:00 PM
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    As for Homeplugs they are great, I have the pass through ones, it means 1 socket isn't taken up by a Homeplug and you can plug something else into it.
    Je Suis Charlie
    • Hoseman
    • By Hoseman 16th Oct 16, 4:27 PM
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    I might be in the market for a new TV too. Have you thought about picture quality?

    4k seem to be all the rage but are they are really worth getting for the average consumer as opposed to just HD? I guess you are future proofing with 4K.
    • melbury
    • By melbury 16th Oct 16, 6:10 PM
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    I might be in the market for a new TV too. Have you thought about picture quality?

    4k seem to be all the rage but are they are really worth getting for the average consumer as opposed to just HD? I guess you are future proofing with 4K.
    Originally posted by Hoseman
    All modern picture quality is fantastic to me - I grew up in the 50's/60's in B&W with flickering horizontal lines a lot of the time

    I am not fussy about all the latest high-tech gizmos, just want a good picture and the chance to see some of the series that are only shown via Amazon / Netflix.

    Thanks for the various options suggested, but they do seem rather expensive at £60+.
    Last edited by melbury; 16-10-2016 at 6:13 PM.
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    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 16th Oct 16, 6:46 PM
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    All modern picture quality is fantastic to me - I grew up in the 50's/60's in B&W with flickering horizontal lines a lot of the time

    I am not fussy about all the latest high-tech gizmos, just want a good picture and the chance to see some of the series that are only shown via Amazon / Netflix.

    Thanks for the various options suggested, but they do seem rather expensive at £60+.
    Originally posted by melbury
    Not to mention the subscriptions if you really want to watch "series that are only shown via Amazon / Netflix". Personally I think the Amazon Prime membership and TV boxes/sticks are well worth it. I don't pay for Netflix, I just use a family member's account.

    If you hang until Black Friday then you'll be able to pick up Amazon Fire TV for a discount.
    • cbrown372
    • By cbrown372 16th Oct 16, 6:58 PM
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    I was going to suggest waiting until Black Friday if buying the Amazon Fire TV as I got one for £20 on the last "sale" they had.

    I use it on an old TV in the bedroom using wifi and its absolutely fine. Main TV is a Samsung smart TV which is routed via homeplugs but only because I have them anyway for my YouView box.
    Its not that we have more patience as we grow older, its just that we're too tired to care about all the pointless drama
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 16th Oct 16, 7:03 PM
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    All modern picture quality is fantastic to me - I grew up in the 50's/60's in B&W with flickering horizontal lines a lot of the time

    I am not fussy about all the latest high-tech gizmos, just want a good picture and the chance to see some of the series that are only shown via Amazon / Netflix.

    Thanks for the various options suggested, but they do seem rather expensive at £60+.
    Originally posted by melbury
    A cheaper option at £22
    Je Suis Charlie
    • googler
    • By googler 16th Oct 16, 7:50 PM
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    Thanks for the various options suggested, but they do seem rather expensive at £60+.
    Originally posted by melbury
    You do realise that's a one-off £60? And that some folks spend that every month on their Sky subscription?
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