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    • zaksmum
    • By zaksmum 14th Oct 16, 1:25 PM
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    PIP awarded - is payment backdated?
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    • 14th Oct 16, 1:25 PM
    PIP awarded - is payment backdated? 14th Oct 16 at 1:25 PM
    Friend has just had her award letter giving her the enhanced rate of PIP in both components.

    Previously she was receiving only DLA at the highest rate, no care component, as she had never applied for this.

    Her award letter does not mention a backdated payment. It states that the PIP becomes payable a month from now, and will be actually paid in arrears on 1.12.16.

    She made the claim 10.8.16. I know she won't get backdated mobility component as this replaces DLA HRM. But should she get the daily living component backdated to the date of claim?

    Also, does this component now qualify her for Severe Disability Premium on her ESA?

    Thanks
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    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 14th Oct 16, 1:36 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 1:36 PM
    Friend has just had her award letter giving her the enhanced rate of PIP in both components.

    Previously she was receiving only DLA at the highest rate, no care component, as she had never applied for this.

    Her award letter does not mention a backdated payment. It states that the PIP becomes payable a month from now, and will be actually paid in arrears on 1.12.16.

    She made the claim 10.8.16. I know she won't get backdated mobility component as this replaces DLA HRM. But should she get the daily living component backdated to the date of claim?

    Also, does this component now qualify her for Severe Disability Premium on her ESA?

    Thanks
    Originally posted by zaksmum

    There is no backdating on transferring from DLA to PIP. In fact
    each new PIP award does not kick in until four weeks after the DLA payday following the date the decision was made on the PIP claim.

    One of the little 'quirks ' of the system

    As regards the SDP question we need more information.

    In general:

    SDP is only awarded on income based ESA (or if receiving contribution based ESA and satisfy the income based requirements)

    SDP is awarded if you receive standard or enhanced rate of care for PIP (in her case) AND no one receives Carer's Allowance for her AND she is living alone or is treated as living alone.

    So, what are her circumstances? What is she currently receiving - contribution based/income based? Has she a partner? Working? Any savings/capital?
    • Tommo1980
    • By Tommo1980 14th Oct 16, 1:40 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 1:40 PM
    No it won't be backdated as she was already in receipt of DLA.

    Yes she may be eligible for SDP depending on circumstances.

    http://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/severe-disability-premium

    Tom
    • Tommo1980
    • By Tommo1980 14th Oct 16, 1:41 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 1:41 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 1:41 PM
    Sorry about cross post ☺

    Tom
    • zaksmum
    • By zaksmum 14th Oct 16, 1:49 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 1:49 PM
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    Is there still no backdating despite the fact that the new PIP claim includes an award for daily living component which was not previously payable?

    Re the SDP - she does live alone, she is 57, gets income based ESA, been getting that for the last three years.

    No savings, nobody claims carer's allowance. Unable to work.
    • Robbie64
    • By Robbie64 14th Oct 16, 6:11 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 6:11 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 6:11 PM
    Is there still no backdating despite the fact that the new PIP claim includes an award for daily living component which was not previously payable?
    Originally posted by zaksmum
    I'm afraid not. As pmlindyloo posted, the PIP award doesn't take effect until 4 weeks after DLA is last paid, which for people transferring from DLA is 4 weeks after the next DLA payday after the PIP decision.

    It may seem harsh but for some people it does work to their advantage, if the amount of PIP is less than the amount of DLA currently being paid. Unfortunately it does work against some people, as in the case of your friend, where PIP is awarded at a higher rate and includes a daily living component where an equivalent (middle or higher rate care) wasn't in payment with DLA.
    Last edited by Robbie64; 14-10-2016 at 6:15 PM.
    • Robbie64
    • By Robbie64 14th Oct 16, 6:25 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 6:25 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 6:25 PM
    Also in addition to being able to receive the SDP, once PIP is in payment your friend will also be able to get an additional premium with ESA, an enhanced disability premium, which is payable to people in receipt of the enhanced daily living component of PIP and who receive income-related ESA.

    However if your friend is in the Support Group of ESA this should already be in payment though.
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 14th Oct 16, 6:52 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 6:52 PM
    be aware that the SDP isn't usually automatically [paid.
    it has to be claimed via form IS10
    • zaksmum
    • By zaksmum 17th Oct 16, 4:09 PM
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    • 17th Oct 16, 4:09 PM
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    • 17th Oct 16, 4:09 PM
    Also in addition to being able to receive the SDP, once PIP is in payment your friend will also be able to get an additional premium with ESA, an enhanced disability premium, which is payable to people in receipt of the enhanced daily living component of PIP and who receive income-related ESA.

    However if your friend is in the Support Group of ESA this should already be in payment though.
    Originally posted by Robbie64
    She does already get the support group payment of £141 a week, which includes disability premium but not the severe disability premium, as she has only just been deemed eligible for PIP at the enhanced rate for both components.

    Will she need to tell the authorities that she is now getting the PIP at enhanced rates?

    And will the disability premium stop, and be replaced by the severe disability premium?
    • megansden
    • By megansden 17th Oct 16, 4:28 PM
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    Hi!

    Please help with this one

    Leading up to my 65 birthday I was on Full DLA, then invited to claim PIP and lost the Motorbility part of it by then I was 65 I am 67 now and have had another face to face with with health expert and also have been diagnosed with a health condition that I was born with which is causing serious problems with mobility etc although been awarded enhanced rate for care they will not award enhanced on mobility even though they acknowledge that mobility needs are there.
    They say that the law states that the enhanced rate for mobility needs cannot be awarded after the age 65, my argument is that the problem I have has always been there there should be awarded

    Has anyone got any opinions please and is there any point in appealing on there decision
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 17th Oct 16, 4:48 PM
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    She does already get the support group payment of £141 a week, which includes disability premium but not the severe disability premium, as she has only just been deemed eligible for PIP at the enhanced rate for both components.

    Will she need to tell the authorities that she is now getting the PIP at enhanced rates?

    And will the disability premium stop, and be replaced by the severe disability premium?
    Originally posted by zaksmum
    there is no disability premium with ESA, as it is already covered by the higher benefit amount.

    the premium you refer to for her being in the support group is the Enhanced Disability Premium.

    if she qualifies for the Severe Disability Premium, she will receive both the SDP and the EDP
    • Tommo1980
    • By Tommo1980 17th Oct 16, 4:49 PM
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    RE: SDP
    If eligible she will get SDP alongside the Enhanced component for being in support group.

    She needs to ring DWP using the number on her ESA award letter and inform them that she would like to apply for the SDP.

    They may ask her a few questions to check if she is eligible. They may also send out a form to complete, again just to check eligibility.

    Tom
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 17th Oct 16, 4:50 PM
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    Hi!

    Please help with this one

    Leading up to my 65 birthday I was on Full DLA, then invited to claim PIP and lost the Motorbility part of it by then I was 65 I am 67 now and have had another face to face with with health expert and also have been diagnosed with a health condition that I was born with which is causing serious problems with mobility etc although been awarded enhanced rate for care they will not award enhanced on mobility even though they acknowledge that mobility needs are there.
    They say that the law states that the enhanced rate for mobility needs cannot be awarded after the age 65, my argument is that the problem I have has always been there there should be awarded

    Has anyone got any opinions please and is there any point in appealing on there decision
    Originally posted by megansden
    you should have appealed the decision not to award PIP mobility at the time you were transferred from DLA.

    if as you say, the prpoblems were there at the time, why wait for a reassessment to complain?
    • zaksmum
    • By zaksmum 17th Oct 16, 5:55 PM
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    there is no disability premium with ESA, as it is already covered by the higher benefit amount.

    the premium you refer to for her being in the support group is the Enhanced Disability Premium.

    if she qualifies for the Severe Disability Premium, she will receive both the SDP and the EDP
    Originally posted by nannytone
    I've looked at the gov.uk site about ESA and it does seem there is a severe disability premium payable with ESA so I don't understand why you say there isn't, nannytone.

    Probably I'm missing something...can you explain please?
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 17th Oct 16, 6:02 PM
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    I've looked at the gov.uk site about ESA and it does seem there is a severe disability premium payable with ESA so I don't understand why you say there isn't, nannytone.

    Probably I'm missing something...can you explain please?
    Originally posted by zaksmum
    i never said that there wasn't a severe disability premium with ESA.
    i said there wasn't a disability premium, which there isn't.

    on ESA there are 2 premiums for disability.
    the severe disability premium
    the enhanced disability premium.

    with income related JSA and income support there a 3 premiums for disability

    the disability premium
    severe disability premium
    enhanced disability premium.

    hence my comment that the disability premium is NOT payable with ESA
    • zaksmum
    • By zaksmum 17th Oct 16, 8:29 PM
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    i never said that there wasn't a severe disability premium with ESA.
    i said there wasn't a disability premium, which there isn't.

    on ESA there are 2 premiums for disability.
    the severe disability premium
    the enhanced disability premium.

    with income related JSA and income support there a 3 premiums for disability

    the disability premium
    severe disability premium
    enhanced disability premium.

    hence my comment that the disability premium is NOT payable with ESA
    Originally posted by nannytone
    Thanks nannytone. So will my friend get the enhanced disability premium? And if so, what is that amount please?
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 17th Oct 16, 10:27 PM
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    Thanks nannytone. So will my friend get the enhanced disability premium? And if so, what is that amount please?
    Originally posted by zaksmum
    She should already be getting the Enhanced Disability Premium because she's in the support group, it's £15.75 per week for a single person. The SDP Severe Disability Premium which you need to apply for is £61.85 per week. For this she needs to phone ESA and ask for a form to be sent out.
    • megansden
    • By megansden 18th Oct 16, 9:12 AM
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    Do you think I should appeal now? even though they say that the law says they cannot award enhanced mobility now (which I have never heard of or know where to look) with my health now confirmed that I had this problem all my life, already made mind up to appeal anyway

    megansden
    Last edited by megansden; 18-10-2016 at 9:43 AM.
    • megansden
    • By megansden 18th Oct 16, 10:08 AM
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    I did leave it too late to appeal at that time through health issues which I know does help the situation but will appeal now to see if it can be turned around does anyone know about this law issue of not awarding enhanced mobility after the age of 65 but Care be enhanced after the age of 65, seems strange to me
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 18th Oct 16, 4:26 PM
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    I did leave it too late to appeal at that time through health issues which I know does help the situation but will appeal now to see if it can be turned around does anyone know about this law issue of not awarding enhanced mobility after the age of 65 but Care be enhanced after the age of 65, seems strange to me
    Originally posted by megansden
    You have asked these questions on someone elses thread. It would be much better if you started your own thread with these questions so they don't get missed.
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