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    • trinidadone
    • By trinidadone 13th Oct 16, 8:33 PM
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    Motorists, what to do about cyclists who constantly break the high way code???
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    • 13th Oct 16, 8:33 PM
    Motorists, what to do about cyclists who constantly break the high way code??? 13th Oct 16 at 8:33 PM
    Hello Motorists,

    I have seen a news report recently of the metropolitan police in London, using bicycles to challenge motorists about road rage towards cyclists.

    What rages me so much, is the endless cyclists who often use two one way streets in my neighborhood, and constantly the wrong way.

    One of the roads fits the width of a average car only, yet despite no entry signs, these are ignored by cyclists, as they hurtle down the road.

    Tonight, i spoke to one cyclists, i told him not to endanger myself and obey the highway code.

    The two streets in question do not allow cyclists to use it the wrong way (contra flow) and there is no cycle track installed, just two large no entry signs at the start of the road.

    Im asking motorists, can anything be carried out to address this problem, or is this a sign of the times, and that motorists have to accept they are the cash cows of TFL and london boroughs, and cyclists can do what the want??

    I am keen to hear from motorists only!!
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    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 14th Oct 16, 12:53 PM
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    Sorry I deleted my post after I read yours Strider590 about the OP's vendetta against cyclists.
    Originally posted by Pixie5740
    To be fair, I think the OP is only having a go at irresponsible cyclists.
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    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 14th Oct 16, 12:57 PM
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    Wow, that is a shocking crash. I bet there were a few bruises.

    Fortunately cars never crash into each other. Can you imagine the carnage if that were to ever happen.
    Originally posted by Head The Ball
    Can't recall mentioning that cars never crash?

    But it's interesting that the clip shows the cyclist in white riding in the 'primary position' when the overtaking cyclist passes much too closely. I thought the police were clamping down in cyclists being passed to closely?
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    • LadyDee
    • By LadyDee 14th Oct 16, 1:02 PM
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    I live in an area of many narrow country roads, many bends & twists, but lots of cyclists! I'm always rather nervous about overtaking them on this type of road so will hang back quite a way so as not to crowd them. This results in other impatient, bullying drivers overtaking me, getting right up close to the cyclist between me and them, then overtaking really dangerously. Passing places are few are far between, with very few pavements for the cyclists to use for safety.

    Personally, I generally have great respect for the cyclists - they are far braver than me to take to the roads on two wheels! Yes, there are those who jump lights etc., they are a nuisance, they are taking ridiculous risks but then not all car drivers are saints.
    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 14th Oct 16, 1:07 PM
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    I live in an area of many narrow country roads, many bends & twists, but lots of cyclists! I'm always rather nervous about overtaking them on this type of road so will hang back quite a way so as not to crowd them. This results in other impatient, bullying drivers overtaking me, getting right up close to the cyclist between me and them, then overtaking really dangerously. Passing places are few are far between, with very few pavements for the cyclists to use for safety.

    Personally, I generally have great respect for the cyclists - they are far braver than me to take to the roads on two wheels! Yes, there are those who jump lights etc., they are a nuisance, they are taking ridiculous risks but then not all car drivers are saints.
    Originally posted by LadyDee
    Agree totally.
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    • jack_pott
    • By jack_pott 14th Oct 16, 1:19 PM
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    I'm always rather nervous about overtaking them on this type of road so will hang back quite a way so as not to crowd them. This results in other impatient, bullying drivers overtaking me, getting right up close to the cyclist between me and them, then overtaking really dangerously.
    Originally posted by LadyDee
    A girl in a hatchback slowed down to patiently wait behind me when I was out on the bike once, but the car behind her was too impatient to realise that she was waiting for an oncoming car. The first thing I knew about anything was the screeching of brakes as he skidded to a halt beside me, bumper to bumper with the car coming the other way, and I disappeared in a cloud of smoke.
    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 14th Oct 16, 1:22 PM
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    To be fair, I think the OP is only having a go at irresponsible cyclists.
    Originally posted by Tilt
    This isn't the OP's first rant about cyclists though. I suspect trinidadone would actually like to be a cyclist but nobody ever taught him/her how to ride a bike.

    As if drivers never go the wrong way up a one-way street. I am both a cyclist and a motorist, and I live on a one-way street. I've encountered a number of cars driving up it the wrong way whilst I'm on my bike because the drivers have somehow missed the "no entry" signs at the bottom of the road. Does this make all drivers bad drivers, no it doesn't.

    When cycling in the dark I have (what I like to call) my rave jacket (fluorescent), lights front and back, a light on my helmet, and a fluorescent cover for my backpack. If people can't see me then they probably shouldn't be on the roads. I have seen a number of cycling ninjas when I'm out and about and if I get the opportunity to say something to them then I will because cycling at night in head-to-toe black without lights is the height of stupidity.

    The vast majority of drivers are courteous and give me enough time and space when I'm on my bike but you do get the odd tit who undertakes on a right turn to then cut in front of my path, or races past when it's not safe to overtake only to slam their brakes on a few meters up the road at a red light. I'd like to put those drivers on a bike and make them cycle through traffic so they know what it feels like, just as I would like to put cycling ninjas behind the wheel of a car so that they can see how invisible and vulnerable they are at night. In fact cycling head-to-toe in black during the day isn't that sensible either....be bright, be seen is my motto.
    Last edited by Pixie5740; 14-10-2016 at 2:21 PM. Reason: correctly typo
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    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 14th Oct 16, 1:25 PM
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    A girl in a hatchback slowed down to patiently wait behind me when I was out on the bike once, but the car behind her was too impatient to realise that she was waiting for an oncoming car. The first thing I knew about anything was the screeching of brakes as he skidded to a halt beside me, bumper to bumper with the car coming the other way, and I disappeared in a cloud of smoke.
    Originally posted by jack_pott
    I've see a very similar incident myself but instead of a cyclist it was a horse. I was the in the car waiting behind the horse when the car behind had had enough and decided she (yes it was a woman) would overtake me AND the horse. She looked a right div when she had to stop due to the on-coming traffic and both horse and myself went slowly past her on her n/s!
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    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 14th Oct 16, 1:32 PM
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    This isn't the OP's first rant about cyclists though. I suspect trinidadone would actually like to be a cyclist but nobody ever taught him/her how to ride a bike.

    As if drivers never go the wrong way up a one-way street. I am both a cyclist and a motorist, and I live on a one-way street. I've encountered a number of cars driving up it the wrong way whilst I'm on my bike because the drivers have somehow missed the "no entry" signs at the bottom of the road. Does this make all drivers bad drivers, no it doesn't.

    When cycling in the dark I have (what I like to call) my rave jacket (fluorescent), lights front and back, a light on my helmet, and a fluorescent cover for my backpack. If people can't see me then they probably shouldn't be on the roads. I have seen a number of cycling ninjas when I'm out and about and if I get the opportunity to say something to them then I will because cycling at night in head-to-toe black without lights then I will.

    The vast majority of drivers are courteous and give me enough time and space when I'm on my bike but you do get the odd tit who undertakes on a right turn to then cut in front of my path, or races past when it's not safe to overtake only to slam their brakes on a few meters up the road at a red light. I'd like to put those drivers on a bike and make them cycle through traffic so they know what it feels like, just as I would like to put cycling ninjas behind the wheel of a car so that they can see how invisible and vulnerable they are at night. In fact cycling head-to-toe in black isn't that sensible either....be bright, be seen is my motto.
    Originally posted by Pixie5740
    Excellent post.

    But can I ask if, in addition to the light on your helmet, you have a front light on your bike as well? I ask because just recently I have encountered a group of cyclists out in the sticks at night with only lights on their helmets at the front. Until I got nearer, i didn't recognise them as cyclists (thought there were on horses initially) and wondered in fact whether it is legal not to have a fixed front light on the bike itself?
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    • molerat
    • By molerat 14th Oct 16, 1:37 PM
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    Yesterday a cyclist just missed out on a Darwin award. Decided it was a good idea to go up the middle of 2 lanes of traffic just after the lights had turned green. Large vehicles in the left have to pull out to the right to get round the left corner and just after the junction the traffic in the right lane has to pull left to avoid the traffic coming the other way. Idiot just not reading the road, two pinch points and they failed to make allowance them !
    Last edited by molerat; 14-10-2016 at 5:01 PM.
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    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 14th Oct 16, 1:54 PM
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3834940/Rider-s-risky-overtake-causes-calamitous-crash-sending-cyclists-sprawling-floor-congested-superhighway-track.html

    If thats supposed to be used in both directions shouldn't it have a centre line?
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    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 14th Oct 16, 2:18 PM
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    Excellent post.

    But can I ask if, in addition to the light on your helmet, you have a front light on your bike as well? I ask because just recently I have encountered a group of cyclists out in the sticks at night with only lights on their helmets at the front. Until I got nearer, i didn't recognise them as cyclists (thought there were on horses initially) and wondered in fact whether it is legal not to have a fixed front light on the bike itself?
    Originally posted by Tilt
    I have a front light on my bike, a back light on my bike as well as a light on my helmet that emits both a white light forwards and a red light backwards.
    Last edited by Pixie5740; 14-10-2016 at 2:21 PM.
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    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 14th Oct 16, 2:46 PM
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    Excellent post.

    But can I ask if, in addition to the light on your helmet, you have a front light on your bike as well? I ask because just recently I have encountered a group of cyclists out in the sticks at night with only lights on their helmets at the front. Until I got nearer, i didn't recognise them as cyclists (thought there were on horses initially) and wondered in fact whether it is legal not to have a fixed front light on the bike itself?
    Originally posted by Tilt
    You encountered mountain bikers.
    They won't tend to use lights on the bike actual as their handlebars are constantly being pulled left/right, an attached light would be disorientating and be highly likely to get thrown off. They probably had all their reflectors removed too, as most likely they transported the bike in a car or van to that location.

    Reflectors shipped with high end mountain bikes are just token gestures, they snap off ridiculously easily, I remember an old friend on his new MTB, he was riding down a rocky decent, the front reflector bent downwards, jammed into his tyre and sent him flying over the bars into a tree.
    The pedal reflectors (required on roads) end up getting smashed on rocks, SPD pedals come with pathetic reflectors that tend to get caught in the shoe cleats.
    Wheel reflectors unbalance the wheels and make for a pretty rough ride at 30+ mph.

    Plus, who's going to be driving a car through the local woodland?

    Me personally, I took my reflectors off my MTB and replaced them with retroreflective tape (red at the back, white at the front and yellow on the side), just in case I ever get caught out and need to ride down a road as it's starting to get dark.




    Has this thread devolved into having a pop at all types of bicycle riders? Are we going have a go at BMX cyclists next? doing all their irresponsible jumping and stuff, often without any brakes fitted!!!!
    Last edited by Strider590; 14-10-2016 at 2:58 PM.
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    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 14th Oct 16, 2:56 PM
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    Has this thread devolved into having a pop at all types of bicycle riders? Are we going have a go at BMX cyclists next? doing all their irresponsible jumping and stuff, often without any brakes fitted!!!!
    Originally posted by Strider590
    If they are doing so on the road or my local pedestrianised shopping area, then yes. Have you got a problem with that?
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 14th Oct 16, 2:59 PM
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    Are we going have a go at BMX cyclists next? doing all their irresponsible jumping and stuff, often without any brakes fitted!!!!
    Originally posted by Strider590
    Well since you ask... If it's on a marked trail where you are only encountering other bikers - knock yourself out - or rather don't because you're probably wearing a helmet. If it's on a footpath marked "No Cycling" then get off and walk; if it's a towpath or a byway or a permissive path - be prepared to give way to walkers. I speak as someone who has been known to hike along the coast and again, the majority of cyclists will pause, or hop onto the grass at the side if practical. There's the same arrogant minority who will charge ahead at full speed and expect everyone else to leap aside or squeeze into a nettle patch for them.
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    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 14th Oct 16, 3:30 PM
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    Good question and perhaps one for Boris. I have to say it looks a tad narrow for it to be two way, especially given the fact that it's going to be used by a lot of cyclists. If you look closely you will note that the painted 'cycle' symbols on the surface appear to face both directions which means it is meant to be two way. But it looks scary to me given the speed some of the cyclists are going!
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    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 14th Oct 16, 3:38 PM
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    You encountered mountain bikers. They won't tend to use lights on the bike actual as their handlebars are constantly being pulled left/right, an attached light would be disorientating and be highly likely to get thrown off. They probably had all their reflectors removed too, as most likely they transported the bike in a car or van to that location.
    Originally posted by Strider590
    Did I? They looked like road bikers when I passed them. But my question was is it legal just to have a light on the helmet as from a distance, they didn't look like cyclists.

    Reflectors shipped with high end mountain bikes are just token gestures, they snap off ridiculously easily, I remember an old friend on his new MTB, he was riding down a rocky decent, the front reflector bent downwards, jammed into his tyre and sent him flying over the bars into a tree.
    The pedal reflectors (required on roads) end up getting smashed on rocks, SPD pedals come with pathetic reflectors that tend to get caught in the shoe cleats.
    Wheel reflectors unbalance the wheels and make for a pretty rough ride at 30+ mph.

    Plus, who's going to be driving a car through the local woodland?
    Originally posted by Strider590
    The ones I encountered were riding on a narrow country road and they were riding in a bunch and not single file.

    Has this thread devolved into having a pop at all types of bicycle riders? Are we going have a go at BMX cyclists next? doing all their irresponsible jumping and stuff, often without any brakes fitted!!!!
    Originally posted by Strider590
    Not as far as i'm concerned, just the irresponsible ones.
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    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 14th Oct 16, 4:21 PM
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    Did I? They looked like road bikers when I passed them. But my question was is it legal just to have a light on the helmet as from a distance, they didn't look like cyclists.
    Originally posted by Tilt
    Under The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 and its subsequent amendments, cyclists must have a white front light and red rear light lit at night (sundown to sunrise). Now the regulations don't specify whether the lights have to be fitted to the bike or can be attached to clothing and helmets (some cycling clothing and helmets now come with lights built in) so it's probable that the cyclists you encountered weren't doing anything illegal, just daft.

    Anything that increases the viability of cyclists is a good thing but I personally don't think it's wise to substitute a light on a helmet for lights fixed to the bike. I think the helmet light should be in addition to the fixed lights. I don't make the rules though.

    The ones I encountered were riding on a narrow country road and they were riding in a bunch and not single file.
    Originally posted by Tilt
    Cyclists don't always have to ride in single file. Rule 66 of the Highway Code state that cyclists should never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends. However, in your case as it was a narrow road they should have been single file.

    Reasons for cyclist riding two abreast are:
    1. It's safer. Motorists usually have to overtake in a proper manner rather than overtaking in the same lane as the cyclists. If a group of cyclists are in single file, motorists will often assume they can overtake in places which are not safe and will not leave the cyclist enough room
    2. Motorists can overtake quicker. It allows the motorist to overtake the group of cyclists quicker as there is less distance between the front and rear of the group (about half!!). This means that the motorist is past the group in less time, spending less time on the other side of the road and along side the group of cyclists and therefore safer all round.
    3. It's sociable.
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    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 14th Oct 16, 4:36 PM
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    Under The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 and its subsequent amendments, cyclists must have a white front light and red rear light lit at night (sundown to sunrise). Now the regulations don't specify whether the lights have to be fitted to the bike or can be attached to clothing and helmets (some cycling clothing and helmets now come with lights built in) so it's probable that the cyclists you encountered weren't doing anything illegal, just daft.
    Originally posted by Pixie5740
    Illegal. Section 12(1) says: "Save as provided in paragraph (2), no person shall use, or cause or permit to be used, on a road any vehicle to which, or to any load or equipment of which, there is fitted a lamp, reflector or marking which is capable of being moved by swivelling, deflecting or otherwise while the vehicle is in motion."
    • jimjames
    • By jimjames 14th Oct 16, 4:55 PM
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    I am keen to hear from motorists only!!
    Originally posted by trinidadone
    What about motorists that are also cyclists? Who might actually have more understanding of the situation?

    It annoys the hell out of me when motorists don't indicate or are using their mobile phones when driving. I don't tar all with the same brush though.
    Your in London and you get stuck behind cyclists? For what? The 10 seconds it takes to reach the next queue?
    Originally posted by Strider590
    Very true. The OP seems to be completely missing the point that cyclists are reducing the number of cars on the road and therefore the queue in front of them is actually smaller than it would otherwise be if those cyclists were in a car instead.
    Last edited by jimjames; 14-10-2016 at 5:01 PM.
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    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 14th Oct 16, 5:35 PM
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    Very true. The OP seems to be completely missing the point that cyclists are reducing the number of cars on the road and therefore the queue in front of them is actually smaller than it would otherwise be if those cyclists were in a car instead.
    Originally posted by jimjames
    That might be partly true if they weren't taking away large swathes of road space previously available to all road users and converting it into segregated cycle lanes for the Lycra elite.
    Last edited by Johno100; 14-10-2016 at 5:37 PM.
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