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    • jondav
    • By jondav 13th Oct 16, 12:31 PM
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    Economy 7 / Heating Advice
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    • 13th Oct 16, 12:31 PM
    Economy 7 / Heating Advice 13th Oct 16 at 12:31 PM
    We currently rent a flat that has Economy 7 electric supply, there is no gas in the building and we are on pay as you go. Now this works really well in the summer, because our electricity bill is very low indeed because we take advantage of using the washing machine etc overnight on the cheaper tariff.

    However now it is getting colder, the electric wall heaters that we have are our only form of heating and they absolutely motor hrough the electricity and it is costing us a fortune. A couple of questions if I may:

    1: Are these likely to be storage heaters?
    2: If they are, I don't know if I am using them in the most efficient way because I have no idea how the "storage" aspect of them works.
    3: Is there an alternative to these that are cheaper to run? Maybe a simple plug-in fan heater for each room?

    Any advice appreciated

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    • Furts
    • By Furts 13th Oct 16, 12:48 PM
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    You need to be using your heaters during the Economy 7 hours. Typically these would be around 12-7.00am. Outside these hours you pay a premium for your electricity so your heating will be expensive. Put another way, outside these hours and you pay more than normal electric tariffs.

    Look at your controls and aim to have the heating on at night. If these are storage heaters then store this heat at night. Ideally, then blow out the heating when you need it.
    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 13th Oct 16, 12:58 PM
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    Fan heaters rattle through the electricity as well, plus they're very noisy. If your radiators aren't the storage ones, then a better idea would be a plug-in oil filled radiator. We have one in our conservatory, and are toasty even when there's snow on the roof.

    Do you have to have a pay as you go meter? They are probably the most expensive way of paying for power even before you start switching things on.
    • jondav
    • By jondav 13th Oct 16, 1:23 PM
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    • 13th Oct 16, 1:23 PM
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    • 13th Oct 16, 1:23 PM
    You need to be using your heaters during the Economy 7 hours. Typically these would be around 12-7.00am. Outside these hours you pay a premium for your electricity so your heating will be expensive. Put another way, outside these hours and you pay more than normal electric tariffs.

    Look at your controls and aim to have the heating on at night. If these are storage heaters then store this heat at night. Ideally, then blow out the heating when you need it.
    Originally posted by Furts
    Thanks for this - I have checked and they are definitely not storage heaters, just panel heaters. We can't use them only at night because that isn't when we need the heat so it would be wasted.

    Fan heaters rattle through the electricity as well, plus they're very noisy. If your radiators aren't the storage ones, then a better idea would be a plug-in oil filled radiator. We have one in our conservatory, and are toasty even when there's snow on the roof.

    Do you have to have a pay as you go meter? They are probably the most expensive way of paying for power even before you start switching things on.
    Originally posted by Silvertabby
    Yeah, we are quite new into the tenancy so at the moment, we are stuck with that meter. I was thinking of an oil filled radiator but wasn't sure if this would be any more economical
    • Ectophile
    • By Ectophile 13th Oct 16, 10:58 PM
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    • 13th Oct 16, 10:58 PM
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    • 13th Oct 16, 10:58 PM
    In terms of the amount of electricity that goes in for the amount of heat you get out, all electric heaters are pretty close to 100% efficient. the only difference is that they deliver the heat to you differently. Some blast the heat at you, while others gently warm the room. But they are all equally efficient.

    If you don't have storage heaters, then you really don't want to be on Economy 7. You're getting really cheap electricity for 7 hours during the night when you don't want it, and you are paying morethan everybody else during the day, when you want the electricity.

    See if you can get off of E7, and get onto the cheapest tariff you can.
    • lewishardwick
    • By lewishardwick 14th Oct 16, 9:18 AM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 9:18 AM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 9:18 AM
    IF you don't have night storage heaters, being on E7 might be a false economy (lol). The pre payment meter really wont help.

    Firstly, look at the electric meter itself. Does it have two sets of numbers, or one? If two, you're on Economy 7, if not, you're on a standard rate.

    Next, check with your landlord, see if they are OK with you requesting a post-payment meter (no key). If they are, contact your energy supplier and see if it is possible. I am not 100% if the LL can stop you changing the meter, but they can ask for you to return the property to the same condition you found it in (inc pre payment meter).

    If possible, as mentioned above, try and get off an E7 meter. The 'saving' is not being offset as you're using the 'peak' energy mostly anyway.

    Once these bits are done you should see your energy bill reduce by quite a bit. If you cannot get the meter changed for Non-E7 or post payment, and you plan to stay in the property for the long term, then start setting aside money during the warmer months. if you find yourself topping up £20 a month in the summer, make it £30, build up a reserve to help offset the colder months.

    You can do other bits to help. Your hot water cylinder, does it look old? Might be worthwhile investing in a cylinder jacket for it to help it retain heat.

    Invest in a couple of portable oil filled radiators to help keep the edge of the cold. Get some thick lined curtains for all the windows and soon as its dark/dusk, close them, Try and block out any draughts from around windows and doors. If there's lots and it looks like it's going to be a bit pricey, ask your landlord if he's prepared to assist. It's in his interest to keep the property warm. DO NOT BLOCK AIR VENTS.

    Unfortunately there's only so much you can do in a rental. But I do hope you manage to get something sorted to keep warm and not broke!
    • luvchocolate
    • By luvchocolate 14th Oct 16, 2:46 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 2:46 PM
    Check threads on the energy board ....lots of advice on there
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