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    • Dave_Fallow
    • By Dave_Fallow 13th Oct 16, 11:38 AM
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    Additional Borrowing in One Name
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    Additional Borrowing in One Name 13th Oct 16 at 11:38 AM
    Hi all,


    I have a mortgage with Nationwide, it's a joint mortgage with my wife. We've been with them a few years and never had any problems. We have a decent amount of equity in the property and are looking to unlock some of that to carry out some work. Nationwide have a mortgage top up questionnaire on their website where you punch in all your details and they tell you how much additional cash they'll lend you.


    When I input all of our details on the questionnaire, the bottom figure they're prepared to lend us is £16k which is not what I was expecting. By process of elimination, I have determined that the issue lies with the wife. She recently became self employed and it appears that, because this has only been for a short period of time (6 months ish), this blows us out of the water for a sizeable advance. If I run the questionnaire as a sole application just using my details, I can borrow an additional £82k - add her in and it drops significantly.


    So my question is, is it possible to apply for additional borrowing solely in my name when our existing deal is joint? As I understand it, the advance will run as a separate loan alongside the existing mortgage??? I don't have any issues on the affordability side, I am an OK earner and all of the bills in our household come out of my earnings, the wifes self employment is more of a hobby and the income it generates is a luxury for her.


    Any advice is greatly appreciated.


    Thanks
    Dave
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    • kingstreet
    • By kingstreet 13th Oct 16, 12:02 PM
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    is it possible to apply for additional borrowing solely in my name when our existing deal is joint?
    Originally posted by Dave_Fallow
    Not that I know of. A further advance is an extension of lending under the current charge over a jointly owned property and is allocated a sub-account within the main mortgage.

    A second charge/secured loan from a third party may be your only short-term solution.
    I am a mortgage broker. You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice. Please do not send PMs asking for one-to-one-advice, or representation.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 13th Oct 16, 12:08 PM
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    is that loan application with wife as a dependent

    Seems a bit silly if you can apply for joint with one not earning but make them a n earner and the amounts go down.

    might be better for her to give up work(hobby) for a month while applying if that is the case
    • kingstreet
    • By kingstreet 13th Oct 16, 12:11 PM
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    If she wasn't party to the mortgage in the first place, as a sole borrower the OP can borrow more.

    However, as a joint applicant with a nil income/unacceptable income, she is effectively a dependent and this brings down the borrowing power on a joint application the OP cannot avoid.
    I am a mortgage broker. You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice. Please do not send PMs asking for one-to-one-advice, or representation.
    • Dave_Fallow
    • By Dave_Fallow 13th Oct 16, 12:14 PM
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    • 13th Oct 16, 12:14 PM
    is that loan application with wife as a dependent

    Seems a bit silly if you can apply for joint with one not earning but make them a n earner and the amounts go down.

    might be better for her to give up work(hobby) for a month while applying if that is the case
    Originally posted by getmore4less

    No, it wasn't with her as a dependant, I just left her out of the equation entirely on the hope that I could in some way just do this all under my name. It is frustrating as what I'm after is comfortably affordable - I'm after 50k ish and they would theoretically be prepared to lend me over 80k based solely on my affordability alone. But they seem to be putting a lot of weight on the risk of her only being in business for a short while.
    • Dave_Fallow
    • By Dave_Fallow 13th Oct 16, 12:21 PM
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    If she wasn't party to the mortgage in the first place, as a sole borrower the OP can borrow more.

    However, as a joint applicant with a nil income/unacceptable income, she is effectively a dependent and this brings down the borrowing power on a joint application the OP cannot avoid.
    Originally posted by kingstreet

    Thank you. This was my fear. I guess I need to go down the route of a personal loan in my name with a no doubt much higher rate than I would get on an advance. The plan all along was to carry out the works which are set to significantly increase property value, then remortgage and bring it all back under one single loan. So hopefully I can make this a short term arrangement anyway.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 13th Oct 16, 12:32 PM
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    • 13th Oct 16, 12:32 PM
    No, it wasn't with her as a dependant, I just left her out of the equation entirely on the hope that I could in some way just do this all under my name. It is frustrating as what I'm after is comfortably affordable - I'm after 50k ish and they would theoretically be prepared to lend me over 80k based solely on my affordability alone. But they seem to be putting a lot of weight on the risk of her only being in business for a short while.
    Originally posted by Dave_Fallow

    was she working on the original application?

    try with her as a house person not earning see what you get.
    • Dave_Fallow
    • By Dave_Fallow 13th Oct 16, 12:55 PM
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    was she working on the original application?

    try with her as a house person not earning see what you get.
    Originally posted by getmore4less

    Yes, she was full time permanently employed when we first took out the mortgage. Ironically, the move to self employment was something we viewed as being affordable as my earnings comfortably cover all expenditure in the household. I'm starting to wish I hadn't OK'd the idea now!


    I'll give it a go but by the looks of things, I won't hold out much hope! Thanks for the advice.
    • Dave_Fallow
    • By Dave_Fallow 13th Oct 16, 1:16 PM
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    was she working on the original application?

    try with her as a house person not earning see what you get.
    Originally posted by getmore4less

    No luck unfortunately, it drops by a couple of grand. Looks like this one is dead in the water! Thanks for all the help.
    • Thrugelmir
    • By Thrugelmir 13th Oct 16, 1:35 PM
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    Thank you. This was my fear. I guess I need to go down the route of a personal loan in my name with a no doubt much higher rate than I would get on an advance. The plan all along was to carry out the works which are set to significantly increase property value, then remortgage and bring it all back under one single loan. So hopefully I can make this a short term arrangement anyway.
    Originally posted by Dave_Fallow
    You'll struggle to obtain a personal loan for that amount of money.

    Even if you carry out the works and increase the value of the property. That doesn't negate the affordability criteria that'll be used on remortgaging.
    “A man is rich who lives upon what he has. A man is poor who lives upon what is coming. A prudent man lives within his income, and saves against ‘a rainy day’.”
    • amnblog
    • By amnblog 13th Oct 16, 9:06 PM
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    Dave

    Everything you have said here makes you a prime candidate for a second charge (secured loan) which you may have missed in Kingstreet's post above.

    Such lending is generally more flexible with regard to underwriting and you can repay it inexpensively through remortgage once you are in a position to do so.

    Consult a good mortgage broker.
    I am a Mortgage Broker

    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Broker, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
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