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    • veryconfused20
    • By veryconfused20 10th Oct 16, 9:54 PM
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    Do I have any rights against my vets?
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    • 10th Oct 16, 9:54 PM
    Do I have any rights against my vets? 10th Oct 16 at 9:54 PM
    My kitten's normal food is a very pink colour, and I noticed what looked like blood in her faeces last week. Long story short, as she was acting completely normally I decided to first change her food to see if that was the reason before taking her to the vets to have various tests done. After changing it, the colour returned to normal and has been clear of any abnormalities for several bowel movements.

    I intend to put her back onto her normal food but consulted my vet to explain, and ask whether if it were to reoccur, could I have a sample tested to ensure there was no blood present. Initially I was told she would need to be examined as a sample might not be the most appropriate action. I reiterated the whole colour of the food logic, and was then told no because "it would be expensive". I said I didn't care about price, and they then went on to say that I should bring her down to get an antibiotic jab.

    This isn't what I believe is in her best interest. I have absolutely no reason to believe, having been monitoring her very closely and examining her bowel movements over the past few days, that it is down to anything but the food, but obviously I want to confirm this. It seems illogical from both a welfare and financial point of view to have her examined, blood tested and scanned to potentially find nothing wrong. I would be more than happy to take the advice of the vet but only after establishing that there is even definitely a problem at all.

    Whilst I am not trained in animal medicine, I am still my kitten's owner and a paying customer so shouldn't I, within reason, get to choose the treatment plan for my animal particularly if I have good reason? Having a sample analysed is in no way invasive and requires minimal effort from my vet other than sending it off and interpreting the results.
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    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 10th Oct 16, 10:04 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:04 PM
    Your are not a vet. You seem to have done this over the phone to avoid a consultation?!

    Would you go to your doctor and tell him to give you tests without an examination?

    Take your vets advice .
    Last edited by hollydays; 10-10-2016 at 10:11 PM.
    • powerful_Rogue
    • By powerful_Rogue 10th Oct 16, 10:07 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:07 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:07 PM
    My kitten's normal food is a very pink colour, and I noticed what looked like blood in her faeces last week. Long story short, as she was acting completely normally I decided to first change her food to see if that was the reason before taking her to the vets to have various tests done. After changing it, the colour returned to normal and has been clear of any abnormalities for several bowel movements.

    I intend to put her back onto her normal food but consulted my vet to explain, and ask whether if it were to reoccur, could I have a sample tested to ensure there was no blood present. Initially I was told she would need to be examined as a sample might not be the most appropriate action. I reiterated the whole colour of the food logic, and was then told no because "it would be expensive". I said I didn't care about price, and they then went on to say that I should bring her down to get an antibiotic jab.

    This isn't what I believe is in her best interest. I have absolutely no reason to believe, having been monitoring her very closely and examining her bowel movements over the past few days, that it is down to anything but the food, but obviously I want to confirm this. It seems illogical from both a welfare and financial point of view to have her examined, blood tested and scanned to potentially find nothing wrong. I would be more than happy to take the advice of the vet but only after establishing that there is even definitely a problem at all.

    Whilst I am not trained in animal medicine, I am still my kitten's owner and a paying customer so shouldn't I, within reason, get to choose the treatment plan for my animal particularly if I have good reason? Having a sample analysed is in no way invasive and requires minimal effort from my vet other than sending it off and interpreting the results.
    Originally posted by veryconfused20
    If you don't like their advice, change you vet.

    My dog was doing "jellied like poo's" - Told the vet and he recommend Chappie dog food. He's been on it for 5 years with no further issues. - Just shows food can play a lot, especially if they have a dicky stomach.
    • veryconfused20
    • By veryconfused20 10th Oct 16, 10:17 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:17 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:17 PM
    Your are not a vet. You seem to have done this over the phone to avoid a consultation?!

    Would you go to your doctor and tell him to give you tests without an examination?

    Take your vets advice .
    Originally posted by hollydays
    I'm not a vet, but I am a (human) medical professional and someone who has some common sense to understand that different foods can have an effect on your bowels.

    So I'm not allowed to phone my vet and speak to their reception prior to making an appointment?

    If I wanted a test done that my doctor was not prepared to refer me for, I would pay to have it done privately seeing as I'm within my right to do that.

    Edit: And yes, if I was peeing blood then I would expect my doctor to test my urine before giving me an cystoscopy, seeing as there is very little you would be able to tell from just doing a routine physical exam.
    Last edited by veryconfused20; 10-10-2016 at 10:21 PM.
    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 10th Oct 16, 10:25 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:25 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:25 PM
    I'm not a vet, but I am a (human) medical professional and someone who has some common sense to understand that different foods can have an effect on your bowels.

    So I'm not allowed to phone my vet and speak to their reception prior to making an appointment?

    If I wanted a test done that my doctor was not prepared to refer me for, I would pay to have it done privately seeing as I'm within my right to do that.

    Edit: And yes, if I was peeing blood then I would expect my doctor to test my urine before giving me an cystoscopy, seeing as there is very little you would be able to tell from just doing a routine physical exam.
    Originally posted by veryconfused20
    What you actually said in your op was that you wanted a test and they said he needed an examination instead.
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 10th Oct 16, 10:25 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:25 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:25 PM
    "Do I have any rights against my vets?"

    What rights? Have they performed any unauthorised procedures that they wish to charge you for?

    If they have just given professional advice that you don't agree with (though you are unqualified) then your right is to go elsewhere until you find a vet you feel happier to treat your pet.

    It's also advisable to take out insurance.
    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 10th Oct 16, 10:28 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:28 PM
    Your cats food is 'very pink?'

    What are you feeding her?
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    • wealdroam
    • By wealdroam 10th Oct 16, 10:47 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:47 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 10:47 PM
    Your cats food is 'very pink?'

    What are you feeding her?
    Originally posted by marliepanda


    Just a guess.

    OP, would this thread be better placed on The Pets & Pet Care Board?
    Last edited by wealdroam; 10-10-2016 at 10:51 PM.
    • maninthestreet
    • By maninthestreet 10th Oct 16, 11:04 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 11:04 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 11:04 PM
    I'm not a vet, but I am a (human) medical professional and someone who has some common sense to understand that different foods can have an effect on your bowels.
    Originally posted by veryconfused20
    After eating beetroot and visiting the toilet a few hours later, I'm convinced I've had a haemorrage....
    "You were only supposed to blow the bl**dy doors off!!"
    • NotRichAtAll
    • By NotRichAtAll 11th Oct 16, 1:02 AM
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    After eating beetroot and visiting the toilet a few hours later, I'm convinced I've had a haemorrage....
    Originally posted by maninthestreet
    this tickled me
    • skyeblue
    • By skyeblue 3rd Nov 16, 12:03 PM
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    By the sounds of it you spoke to a receptionist, possibly a nurse, rather than an actual vet.

    You have no basis for any action, you do not say that you have returned to the pink food, to see if the effect is the same. The whole story is full of hypotheticals!
    • fleshandbone
    • By fleshandbone 3rd Nov 16, 12:18 PM
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    • peachyprice
    • By peachyprice 3rd Nov 16, 12:40 PM
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    Edit: And yes, if I was peeing blood then I would expect my doctor to test my urine before giving me an cystoscopy, seeing as there is very little you would be able to tell from just doing a routine physical exam.
    Originally posted by veryconfused20

    Would you just expect to be able to drop a sample in at reception for your doctor to test your urine without seeing you?
    Last edited by peachyprice; 03-11-2016 at 12:43 PM.
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    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 3rd Nov 16, 4:21 PM
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    As this all happened over three weeks ago hopefully the kitten has recovered.

    If, sadly, that is not the case then the OP is probably trying to blame the vet for not providing satisfactory treatment for an animal they have not been allowed to see!How can "it not be in her best interest" for the animal to be examined by a highly qualified professional?
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 4th Nov 16, 9:01 PM
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    Would you just expect to be able to drop a sample in at reception for your doctor to test your urine without seeing you?
    Originally posted by peachyprice
    Yes , both at my last practice and my present one I can drop in a sample and ask for it to be tested. I will then get a phone call consultation when the gp has examine it.

    He may prescribe medication or, f necessary, he will ask me to make an appointment

    It saves taking up an appointment unnecessarily
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