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    • Maxgringas
    • By Maxgringas 10th Oct 16, 2:14 PM
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    Chelmsford or Brentwood
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    • 10th Oct 16, 2:14 PM
    Chelmsford or Brentwood 10th Oct 16 at 2:14 PM
    Hi there,

    Wife is starting new job in Whitechapel and we are looking to move from Redbridge to either Brentwood/Shenfield or Chelmsford.

    We have 3 kids 4,2 and 7 months old baby. Ideally we would be close to good primary and secondary schools. Would somebody know how much a 3-4 bed house would cost? Our top budget is 700k.

    I've heard very positive feedback from Chelmsford, how long is the commute from there to Liverpool Street? Annual cost?

    Thanks
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    • Bluebirdman of Alcathays
    • By Bluebirdman of Alcathays 10th Oct 16, 2:20 PM
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    http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/seasonticket/search
    • PJD
    • By PJD 10th Oct 16, 2:56 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 2:56 PM
    Chelmsford is a lovely place, - would definitely want to live there over Brentwood, given the choice
    • elverson
    • By elverson 10th Oct 16, 3:13 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 3:13 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 3:13 PM
    Rightmove will give you an idea of the prices.
    • e13
    • By e13 10th Oct 16, 3:21 PM
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    • 10th Oct 16, 3:21 PM
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    Traffic in Brentwood is truly dire, haven't spent much time in Chelmsford to say the same thing. I wouldn't want to have to drive to the station in Brentwood.
    • AndyBSG
    • By AndyBSG 10th Oct 16, 3:41 PM
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    There's good and bad points for both places.

    Traffic in Brentwood is truly dire, haven't spent much time in Chelmsford to say the same thing. I wouldn't want to have to drive to the station in Brentwood.
    Originally posted by e13
    Chelmsford Town Centre is just as bad as Brentwood in all honesty, but has better road links once you're out of the Town.

    Brentwood is a bit more upmarket/exclusive and has more of a village feel than Chelmsford. However, house prices are reflected and quite a bit higher than Chelmsford. The other drawback is that although Brentwood is nearer to London the train journey isn't that much quicker as you get more 'express' trains from Chelmsford while the ones from Brentwood tend to stop at all stops.

    The other issue is that you need to be a bit more careful about where you buy in Chelmsford. Chelmer Village, Beaulieu Park, etc are very nice new build areas and the outskirts like Galleywood, Baddow and Writtle are also lovely but places like Melbourne are really not very pleasant.

    In short, to buy the right place in Chelmsford you probably need a bit more 'local knowledge' not to end up buying in the wrong part.

    You'll definitely get a lot more for your money in Chelmsford than you will in Brentwood though.

    This is 4 bed detached within walking distance of Chelmsford station for 600K

    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42045333.html

    As is this 3 bed detached for 560K

    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-43871460.html

    In comparison you'll be hard pushed to get a comparable 4 bed in walking distance of the station in Brentwood and even 3 bed's will be much smaller than ones you could get in Chelmsford like this one

    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-56069077.html

    Rush hour trains from both Brentwood and Chelmsford to Liverpool Street are both around the 30-40 minute mark but you have to factor in time to get to the station and an annual season ticket is going to cost you around 4.5k from Chelmsford and 3.5K from Brentwood.

    Also, the Chelmsford/Liverpool street line is pretty unreliable.

    You could also look at somewhere on the C2C line into Fenchurch Street as season tickets are cheaper and trains are more reliable so somewhere like West Horndon, Benfleet, Leigh On Sea or Upminster may be worth looking at(avoid Basildon or Laindon).

    Upminster would be more expensive but has the advantage of still being within London Underground zones so much cheaper commuting costs.
    Last edited by AndyBSG; 10-10-2016 at 3:52 PM.
    • pimento
    • By pimento 10th Oct 16, 3:44 PM
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    The big decider for me would be that Brentwood is on the TFL rail line while Chelmsford is 'run' by Abellio Greater Anglia who are a complete shower and you just can't rely on them to get you to work with any certainty.
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    • Cherry Gale
    • By Cherry Gale 10th Oct 16, 3:48 PM
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    If you want to work on the train, you're more likely to get a seat at Brentwood (as the train starts from Shenfield, 1 stop before), than at Chelmsford.
    • hazyjo
    • By hazyjo 10th Oct 16, 4:09 PM
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    I used to live in Brentwood and hated it. Trains were horrendous and I didn't like the whole accepted drug culture (coke). Police turned a blind eye. You're in a very different boat to me though and would probably love it.


    Shenfield was MUCH better with fast trains (stopping Stratford en route) to Liv St.


    As above, don't rule out the C2C line. Cheaper than somewhere like Billericay as that line's pricier.


    I would also throw Bishops Stortford (good schools), Sawbridgeworth and Hertford into the mix (and possibly Ware or Stansted Mountfitchet). Don't know about schools in all though.


    I'm in North Chingford which is also nice and you might want to consider it, although maybe a bit more London than some of the others, although you do have Epping Forest on your doorstep and Connaught Waters (massive lake) if you're quite outdoorsy.


    I'm moving to Leigh-on-Sea (C2C line) this/next year. £3,232 a year to Fenchurch Street. I want to be by the sea, and it's a lovely town.


    Jx
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    • hazyjo
    • By hazyjo 10th Oct 16, 4:15 PM
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    If you want to work on the train, you're more likely to get a seat at Brentwood (as the train starts from Shenfield, 1 stop before), than at Chelmsford.
    Originally posted by Cherry Gale
    Hardly anyone gets the slow trains from Shenfield, they'll all get fast which don't stop at Brentwood, so you'd definitely get a seat.


    I paid several hundred extra in my first year to go via Shenfield and hop back one stop to Brentwood. In theory, it would save me time. In reality, I found myself waiting at Shenfield for 20+ minutes before giving up and getting a cab (with loads of other angry commuters) - cost me way more in the long run! The slow train was just that - slow! Even slower than it should've been - and often actually non-existent. My friend at work uses that line and it's not as bad as it was, although she got in at 10.30 twice a couple of weeks ago due to train probs.


    Jx
    2016 wins: ESPA gift set; jumper; lip balm x 2; kitchen scales; perfume; shoes; theatre tickets; Champagne; books; After Eights; Diet Coke; Molton Brown duo; fish slice; travel set
    • hazyjo
    • By hazyjo 10th Oct 16, 4:17 PM
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    PS (sorry thread hogging!)


    My other work friend comes in from Chelmsford - they do have fast trains although it's a VERY busy line. She starts at 8am so misses the worst. If you're driving to the station, traffic is hell.


    Jx
    2016 wins: ESPA gift set; jumper; lip balm x 2; kitchen scales; perfume; shoes; theatre tickets; Champagne; books; After Eights; Diet Coke; Molton Brown duo; fish slice; travel set
    • lady1964
    • By lady1964 10th Oct 16, 5:29 PM
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    I would also throw Bishops Stortford (good schools), Sawbridgeworth and Hertford into the mix (and possibly Ware or Stansted Mountfitchet). Don't know about schools in all though.


    I'm in North Chingford which is also nice and you might want to consider it, although maybe a bit more London than some of the others, although you do have Epping Forest on your doorstep and Connaught Waters (massive lake) if you're quite outdoorsy.


    I'm moving to Leigh-on-Sea (C2C line) this/next year. £3,232 a year to Fenchurch Street. I want to be by the sea, and it's a lovely town.


    Jx
    Originally posted by hazyjo
    I live sort of between Chelmsford and Stortford but closer to Sawbridgeworth. I would move to Sawbridgeworth if I could but there is only one secondary schools there, which is decent, otherwise, it's go to Harlow or Stortford, Stortford secondary schools have a better reputation than Harlow ones & a school in Stansted Mountfitchet is taking the overspill of students from a Harlow school that's over-subscribed. Stortford is close to Stansted airport so depending on where the house is/flight path, it may be noisy.

    I don't know enough about Hertford but there's a nice little high street with nice bars/eateries. I'm same with Ware, I don't know anything about the area.
    • hazyjo
    • By hazyjo 10th Oct 16, 5:36 PM
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    I live sort of between Chelmsford and Stortford but closer to Sawbridgeworth. I would move to Sawbridgeworth if I could but there is only one secondary schools there, which is decent, otherwise, it's go to Harlow or Stortford, Stortford secondary schools have a better reputation than Harlow ones & a school in Stansted Mountfitchet is taking the overspill of students from a Harlow school that's over-subscribed. Stortford is close to Stansted airport so depending on where the house is/flight path, it may be noisy.

    I don't know enough about Hertford but there's a nice little high street with nice bars/eateries. I'm same with Ware, I don't know anything about the area.
    Originally posted by lady1964




    Thanks - some additional helpful info!


    To add... Leigh on Sea came out as the happiest place to live on a Rightmove survey this year (yay!), and Hertford was 4th (I think)! It's got very pricey over the years. I viewed several properties there. It's got a nice feel. Theatre, some historical interest, river, shops, bars/pubs... yeah, nice place.


    Stanstead Abbots was very pretty too although the trains aren't great.


    If worrying about flight path noise, avoid Sawbridgeworth. It's prob the worst one. Wouldn't bother me.


    Jx
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    • Cherry Gale
    • By Cherry Gale 10th Oct 16, 6:02 PM
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    Sounds like you've more recent experience than me HazyJo (and of other Essex options as well). I recall the Shenfield change meant squished up standing (at the time I went in), though the slow train was slow, I was more comfy that way.

    I still have family in the area, it seems to be engineering works on that line every single time I want to go out on a weekend!
    • AndyBSG
    • By AndyBSG 11th Oct 16, 9:26 AM
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    I still have family in the area, it seems to be engineering works on that line every single time I want to go out on a weekend!
    Originally posted by Cherry Gale
    Pretty much and rumours are that it will continue all the way up to Christmas... Very frustrating if you're a football season ticket holder who uses the rain every other weekend to get to and from games!
    • Kynthia
    • By Kynthia 11th Oct 16, 9:39 AM
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    Brentwood is nice but tge station is tiny and only has slow trains. Commuting from Shenfield us better but house prices reflect that. As others have said the C2c line is much better and I know people that commute on that and then walk from Fenchurch St to Liverpool st rather than commute straight to Liverpool St, or if Liverpool St isn't your final destination you get a tube from Tower Hill which is virtually next door to Fenchurch St.

    Upminster, Cranham and Hornchurch are all good and within the zones fir better travel prices. Or head out from there to places like Leigh on Sea. I'm afraid I don't know Chelmsford.
    Don't listen to me, I'm no expert!
    • ClaretHead
    • By ClaretHead 12th Oct 16, 1:05 AM
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    Crossrail will be coming to Brentwood and Shenfield in 2019. Some of the current weekend disruptions are down to Crossrail works

    Crossrail will mean that you have 8 trains per hour through Whitechapel to Paddington in the morning peak. A lot of people think that it will boost house prices in areas with easy access to the line. So, if you are looking to be there for the long term, it would make sense to aim for Brentwood or Shenfield.
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