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    • Siyborg_66
    • By Siyborg_66 9th Oct 16, 9:16 PM
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    Parking Ticket from CPM
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    Parking Ticket from CPM 9th Oct 16 at 9:16 PM
    I recently received a parking ticket from CPM (UK Car Park Management) having parked in a coach bay (1hour max) at the local college, there is currently construction work being done and a real lack of parking spaces plus the bay is only used by coaches at the start and end of days. The first I heard about it was when I get a letter through the post, so I guess they had contacted the DVLA to get my details. I quickly replied with an appeal which was unsuccessful and am now just deciding what to do next, should I ignore or pay up the £60 (before it becomes £100)? Having read a few of these forums it seems that the fines are unenforceable so I'm inclined to ignore it, however they have photo evidence of my vehicle in the coach bay so not sure where I stand legally. Any advice would be greatly received.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Oct 16, 9:20 PM
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    • 9th Oct 16, 9:20 PM
    Read the NEWBIES FAQS thread, post #3 about IAS stage (not bothering with it) and post #4 about ignoring debt collector letters.

    Only take seriously a real claim form or a solicitors' letter. If this had been a BPA firm we'd have said appeal to POPLA but you don't have that option. It does sound like you've read old threads though if you think these are 'unenforceable'.

    Read current threads, not old ones.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 09-10-2016 at 9:22 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • pogofish
    • By pogofish 9th Oct 16, 9:21 PM
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    • 9th Oct 16, 9:21 PM
    should I ignore or pay up the £60 (before it becomes £100)? Having read a few of these forums it seems that the fines are unenforceable
    Originally posted by Simon Kitcher
    Do neither - and stop reading out of date threads and calling these invoices "fines"!

    Ignoring has not been general advice for most PPCs since 2012.

    Start by reading the Newbies Sticky at the top of this forum carefully - This will bring you right up to date and lay-out your remaining options to see them off.

    And if that username is your real name, maybe think about getting it changed ASAP - PPCs do trawl this forum for evidence to use against people and identifying yourself is a bad idea.
    Last edited by pogofish; 09-10-2016 at 9:24 PM.
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 9th Oct 16, 9:24 PM
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    I hope you appealed as keeper, and didn't reveal who was driving.

    I also hope you have not used your real name here.

    Please read the Sticky thread for NEWBIES. You have appealed so now you have the choice of ignoring for the next six years unless you get real court papers, or make an IAS appeal to their kangaroo court and then ignore for the next six years unless you get real court papers.

    Why would you even think about paying a scammer?
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    • Siyborg_66
    • By Siyborg_66 11th Oct 16, 2:19 PM
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    • 11th Oct 16, 2:19 PM
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    Thanks guys for all the pointers, I've decided to send an email to the land owner and see what kind of response I get, I'll keep you all updated.
    • Siyborg_66
    • By Siyborg_66 12th Oct 16, 9:12 AM
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    • 12th Oct 16, 9:12 AM
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    Ok had a response from the the landowner, claiming they can't revoke the charge as it was no issued by them. So from other threads I know that this is not the case but any one got any advise on how I should respond to get them to intervene.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Oct 16, 9:47 AM
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    • 12th Oct 16, 9:47 AM
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    Do nothing except write to Mrs May and your MP to complain, whilst ignoring the parking firm. Same as hundreds if not thousands of others on here:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5531488

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=71440298#post71440298

    THERE IS NO NEXT STEP EXCEPT TO JOIN OUR CAMPAIGN:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5524754&page=6

    Please do that and only that - letters to your MP and Theresa May. Be heard, tell them how twitchy and threatened you feel by this parking firm when there was no debt, no clear signs, no agreed contract and the charge is extortionate - never mind what the rich Supreme Court Judges thought in the 'Beavis' case, this is clearly, to any right-thinking person (and to the Consumers' Association) extortion akin to a protection racket in car parks.

    This parasitical industry is routinely emptying consumers' pockets for three figure sums (for no service, no agreed sum) and this is untenable. In your case there was construction work being done and a real lack of parking spaces but no consideration is given to that because these firms are almost all money-grabbing ex-clampers (UKCPM were notorious before it became criminal).

    Please write, stick your neck out and say how this threat of 'credit clamping'; a stranglehold over your finances for six years unless you pay the nasties, is far worse than car clamping ever used to be.

    We are NOT telling you or anyone else to PAY.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 12th Oct 16, 11:35 AM
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    Ok had a response from the the landowner, claiming they can't revoke the charge as it was no issued by them. So from other threads I know that this is not the case but any one got any advise on how I should respond to get them to intervene.
    Originally posted by Siyborg_66

    but did they hire the parking company ? , if so , as their employers they can DEMAND that they cancel it


    do not be fobbed off
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Siyborg_66
    • By Siyborg_66 12th Oct 16, 11:44 AM
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    Thanks guys. I have wrote back to the landowner stating your point exactly that as the employers they have control over the company they employ. So will wait to hear back from him and update you all.
    • Siyborg_66
    • By Siyborg_66 13th Oct 16, 12:06 PM
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    Ok so it seems the landowner is ignoring my emails so I suspect that will lead to a dead end. So I just need to decide what to do next, CPM have said they will engage with IAS If I choose to appeal, is there any point? or should I just ignore all their letters and hope they don't take it to court. Just not sure I'd win if it went to court as the coach bay was labeled as 'coaches only'. Any advice is welcome.
    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 13th Oct 16, 12:13 PM
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    "Ok so it seems the landowner is ignoring my emails so I suspect that will lead to a dead end."

    one last letter asking for a 'named person' who will be called to give evidence if this should proceed to court .

    have you sent the IPC appeal template found in the newbies thread ?

    if not do so ,

    if you have then you are in the ignore .... but keep all paperwork ... and wait to see if the send a letter before action ... or actual court papers ...

    " Just not sure I'd win if it went to court as the coach bay was labeled as 'coaches only'."

    as a note you cannot form a contract for 'forbidden' actions ...

    good luck

    Ralph
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Oct 16, 1:50 PM
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    Ok so it seems the landowner is ignoring my emails so I suspect that will lead to a dead end. So I just need to decide what to do next, CPM have said they will engage with IAS If I choose to appeal, is there any point?
    Originally posted by Siyborg_66
    Nope.

    or should I just ignore all their letters and hope they don't take it to court. Just not sure I'd win if it went to court as the coach bay was labeled as 'coaches only'. Any advice is welcome.
    Yes, that's the idea in all IPC cases. You'd always have a case against a small PPC, especially if they use Gladstones.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Siyborg_66
    • By Siyborg_66 8th Nov 16, 10:44 AM
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    So, I've now received a 'Formal Demand' letter from CPM claiming I have 28 days to pay or else it will go to their debt recovery agent. Also the overdue charge will increase to £149. Now I sent them a letter 2 week ago asking for a POPLA code to which they haven't responded, should I write again still asking for one? I've also been emailing the landowner who seem totally disinterested in my situation, I feel like I should keep on in the chance he changes his mind. I've also now sent him photo evidence of areas of the car park closed off by barriers and JCB's making it even harder to park, will these be any good should I go to court?
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 8th Nov 16, 10:56 AM
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    So, I've now received a 'Formal Demand' letter from CPM claiming I have 28 days to pay or else it will go to their debt recovery agent. Also the overdue charge will increase to £149. Now I sent them a letter 2 week ago asking for a POPLA code to which they haven't responded, should I write again still asking for one? I've also been emailing the landowner who seem totally disinterested in my situation, I feel like I should keep on in the chance he changes his mind. I've also now sent him photo evidence of areas of the car park closed off by barriers and JCB's making it even harder to park, will these be any good should I go to court?
    Originally posted by Siyborg_66
    You won't get a POPLA code - UKCPM is an IPC operator. You've been told that earlier in the thread.

    If you've already appealed to UKCPM there's nothing more to do other than ignore anything other than a LBCCC or real court papers.

    What will be 'good' or 'bad' should anything 'go to court' will be down to the quality of the defence and to the Judge. The small claims court is a lottery.
    NEWBIES - wise up - DO NOT IGNORE A PARKING CHARGE NOTICE - you have been warned!

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Please note: I am NOT involved in any 'paid for' appeals service.
    • Siyborg_66
    • By Siyborg_66 8th Nov 16, 12:07 PM
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    Thanks Umkomaas, how often do these things go to court? I'm just on the edge now as to whether to just get it out of my life, its been a real pain these last couple of months, and I don't fancy the prospect of going to court if like you say its a lottery.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 8th Nov 16, 6:02 PM
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    Thanks Umkomaas, how often do these things go to court? I'm just on the edge now as to whether to just get it out of my life, its been a real pain these last couple of months, and I don't fancy the prospect of going to court if like you say its a lottery.
    Originally posted by Siyborg_66
    In the past 2.5 years UKCPM has issued 64,000 tickets. I'd hazard a guess that no more than 50% of those have been paid. From the remaining c32,000 they have had 26 small claims court appearances (and not all of those are necessarily anything to do with parking).

    http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/UK_Car_Park_Management.html

    Even if all were parking charges, the chance of an unpaid ticket being pursued to court is less than 1%. Most PPCs going to court are more interested in multiple ticket cases, but some do pursue single tickets, although it costs them much more than it does to recover their £100 PCN plus around £75-£100 allowable disbursements.

    You have, with a good defence (we will help with that here), as good a chance of winning this (with your costs being paid by the PPC) as the PPC does.

    But all of this is utterly academic (and shouldn't be on your radar) unless and until court papers are issued. Threats from debt collectors are empty and cannot be pursued by them. Tens of thousands of motorists who have been through the various parking forums are currently ignoring debt collector demands and are unscathed. The PPC network cannot possibly take every single ignorer to court; the small claims court system would be in meltdown.

    As you can see, most of the odds are in your favour - so no reason to contemplate any form of payment, IMHO.
    NEWBIES - wise up - DO NOT IGNORE A PARKING CHARGE NOTICE - you have been warned!

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Please note: I am NOT involved in any 'paid for' appeals service.
    • Siyborg_66
    • By Siyborg_66 9th Nov 16, 4:23 PM
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    Once again thanks Umkomaas, I'll sit tight and report back if anything changes.
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