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    • robz2008
    • By robz2008 9th Oct 16, 8:15 PM
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    Pizza Takeaway Makign me pay for a damaged sign
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    • 9th Oct 16, 8:15 PM
    Pizza Takeaway Makign me pay for a damaged sign 9th Oct 16 at 8:15 PM
    Basically last night went to papa johns for a pizza

    while waitiing a accidently lent against 1 of those stupid signs which are on laminated board on a metal a frame. thought nothing of it until the guy came over to me saying i would after to pay for the damage, basically he got the police and they more aless sided against him, the incident was on CCTV and only evidence ive got is a picture showing the broken plastic bracket

    basically i dont feel the sign was on the wall properly and was potentially a health and safety hazard as its not as if i vandlizaed it just leant against it.

    if they make me pay do you think i should take this to court as they have mentioned figures of around £200-£500 to fix it.
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    • fleshandbone
    • By fleshandbone 10th Oct 16, 12:50 PM
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    I'd call the police if Papa Johns entered my property, I live in a house not a fast food establishment.
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    • steampowered
    • By steampowered 10th Oct 16, 1:07 PM
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    This is a difficult one. It would help if you can post a picture similar to the sign you knocked over.

    I am a bit confused as in your first pot you say leant against the sign. But in a later post you said you brushed against it with your shoulder.

    Personally, I think you should pay for basic repairs. These signs are not designed to be leant against. If you damaged the sign by leaning against it, or staggering into it, that is slightly careless so I think the damage is your responsibility. If you were drunk at the time it would look worse.
    Last edited by steampowered; 10-10-2016 at 1:21 PM.
    • Moneyineptitude
    • By Moneyineptitude 10th Oct 16, 1:29 PM
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    I don't think we are getting the full story here. If the OP merely accidentally damaged the sign without any malice, why were the Police called? Why would the Police side with the business if CCTV showed otherwise?
    • Zandoni
    • By Zandoni 10th Oct 16, 1:36 PM
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    I don't think we are getting the full story here. If the OP merely accidentally damaged the sign without any malice, why were the Police called? Why would the Police side with the business if CCTV showed otherwise?
    Originally posted by Moneyineptitude
    If I understand the op properly it seems the police sided with the him and not Papa Johns.
    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 10th Oct 16, 1:54 PM
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    If the OP merely accidentally damaged the sign without any malice, why were the Police called?
    Originally posted by Moneyineptitude
    The outlet in question may have had problems in the past with drunk customers (I'm in no way implying that this was the case with the OP) and it might be their standard practice to call the police if ever there is a problem late in the evening especially if it's close to pub kicking out time.
    • Moneyineptitude
    • By Moneyineptitude 10th Oct 16, 1:58 PM
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    basically he got the police and they more aless sided against him, the incident was on CCTV
    Originally posted by robz2008
    If I understand the op properly it seems the police sided with the him and not Papa Johns.
    Originally posted by Zandoni
    it might be their standard practice to call the police if ever there is a problem late in the evening
    Originally posted by shaun from Africa
    As I said, far more information is required.
    How did the Police side against him "more or less"? Sounds to me like the Police just attended to calm things down and left both sides to sort it out themselves? A civil rather than criminal matter?

    It's futile for us to continue surmising what may or may not have happened.
    • naedanger
    • By naedanger 10th Oct 16, 2:12 PM
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    It's futile for us to continue surmising what may or may not have happened.
    Originally posted by Moneyineptitude
    That is nearly always my view.

    In my view, it is not for us to decide what happened but to give help/views based on what a poster has said happened. I cannot see how we can decide what actually happened as we only ever hear one side of the story.

    If a poster has given an inaccurate or incomplete account of the actual situation then the help/views may not be appropriate but that is their fault for giving an inaccurate or incomplete account.
    • maninthestreet
    • By maninthestreet 10th Oct 16, 8:23 PM
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    How will Papa Johns pursue you for this money? Don't tell me you gave them your name and address?
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    • Fat Walt
    • By Fat Walt 10th Oct 16, 8:32 PM
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    From what you describe I'm amazed that the police turned out for this on a Saturday night! Do you know how Papa John's described this incident to them to make them respond? Did they suggest you were causing some sort of disturbance or public order offence?


    How will they sue you? Did the police take your details and pass them on?


    I doubt you can cause £200 worth of damage by accidentally leaning against something. But if it had been me, and I'd broken something, I might have offered a tenner without accepting liability.


    Other fast food outlets are available.
    Originally posted by Manxman in exile

    Drunken customer causes damage it a takeaway shop, sounds like a trypical Saturday night job for them.
    • pinkshoes
    • By pinkshoes 10th Oct 16, 8:49 PM
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    What sort of idiotic shop with queuing customers has signs that break when you lean on them??? Everyone leans on the wall when queuing!

    If yu have a wall that customers aueue against, you do not put flimsy signs that will break!

    So either the sign was not fit for purpose, or there is more to this story...
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    • powerful_Rogue
    • By powerful_Rogue 10th Oct 16, 9:05 PM
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    What sort of idiotic shop with queuing customers has signs that break when you lean on them??? Everyone leans on the wall when queuing!

    If yu have a wall that customers aueue against, you do not put flimsy signs that will break!

    So either the sign was not fit for purpose, or there is more to this story...
    Originally posted by pinkshoes
    Do they? I've never leant on a wall whilst queuing.
    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 10th Oct 16, 10:29 PM
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    Walls are not intended to be leant on?

    Some very odd ideas here.
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    • Zandoni
    • By Zandoni 11th Oct 16, 2:48 PM
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    Do they? I've never leant on a wall whilst queuing.
    Originally posted by powerful_Rogue
    Wow you have an amazing memory.
    • Fosterdog
    • By Fosterdog 11th Oct 16, 3:00 PM
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    Wow you have an amazing memory.
    Originally posted by Zandoni
    I don't see why someone would need a good memory to know they don't lean on walls. I know I don't lean on walls even if in a queue for ages, it's just something I don't do and don't see why people would lean, same as I know I don't do a lot of things like smoke, hit people, steal and a million other things. A wall is there for a reason and being leaned on isn't that reason.
    • Zandoni
    • By Zandoni 11th Oct 16, 3:28 PM
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    I don't see why someone would need a good memory to know they don't lean on walls. I know I don't lean on walls even if in a queue for ages, it's just something I don't do and don't see why people would lean, same as I know I don't do a lot of things like smoke, hit people, steal and a million other things. A wall is there for a reason and being leaned on isn't that reason.
    Originally posted by Fosterdog
    I don't usually lean on walls in a queue, but there's probably a few occasions when I have.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 11th Oct 16, 3:56 PM
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    If I'm in a takeaway and there's no obvious sitting location I'll quite happily lean against a wall while waiting. And I'd guess a majority of people do likewise, whether they realise it or not.
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    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 11th Oct 16, 4:33 PM
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    If I'm in a takeaway and there's no obvious sitting location I'll quite happily lean against a wall while waiting. And I'd guess a majority of people do likewise, whether they realise it or not.
    Originally posted by DoaM
    I was just about to say, if there was a seating area you might not expect people to lean on walls but if theres not...I'd say its a given people will lean on walls. I dont tend to lean against anything because I can't stand still. But I still accept that other people do it.

    And I would also point out that not everyone who has mobility problems is in a wheelchair and I would especially expect them to lean against things to try and take some pressure/weight off.

    That being said, whether a reasonable person would lean against the sign the OP leaned against is a whole different issue.
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    • The-Truth
    • By The-Truth 15th Oct 16, 3:26 PM
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    pinkshoes;71433711Everyone leans on the wall when queuing!
    Not me. I'm perfectly capable of standing up straight even whilst drunk.

    If you're unable to do this then I suggest you see a doctor as what you describe seems quite unusual and also many others seems to agree whist also supports my suggestion.
    • Zandoni
    • By Zandoni 15th Oct 16, 4:12 PM
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    Not me. I'm perfectly capable of standing up straight even whilst drunk.

    If you're unable to do this then I suggest you see a doctor as what you describe seems quite unusual and also many others seems to agree whist also supports my suggestion.
    Originally posted by The-Truth
    A few people on here are hardly a cross section of the general public.
    • LABMAN
    • By LABMAN 15th Oct 16, 4:37 PM
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    Leaning on a wall....maybe. Leaning on a sign on a wall.....never.
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