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    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 6th Oct 16, 6:14 PM
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    Tesco to get blue badge info from dvla
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    • 6th Oct 16, 6:14 PM
    Tesco to get blue badge info from dvla 6th Oct 16 at 6:14 PM
    Tesco has launched a clampdown on motorists who steal parking spaces intended for its disabled customers.
    Following “warmly welcomed trials” that hit non-disabled occupants with hefty fines, the retailer now has plans to extend the blitz nationwide. It is also looking at extending the clampdown to spaces reserved for parents with children.

    The supermarket giant’s trial at more than 80 stores involved using specially adapted handheld devices that link to the DVLA database. It worked with enforcement company Horizon initially, but The Grocer understands it is now looking at rolling out its own system across the country.

    To date, the retailer has been using 20 Samsung mobile phones fitted with a special app and it wants to develop technology further to enable store staff to have a similar app on their personal devices.

    Cat Parkinson, who helped develop the scheme as Tesco car park operations executive, said it made parking at Tesco “fairer for everyone”. “We want to change attitudes towards the misuse of disabled bays by highlighting the importance of disabled bays being used properly.

    “We take this issue seriously and ask that customers display a blue badge if they’re parking in a disabled bay. We’ll continue to look at ways to prevent misuse of these essential spaces for our disabled customers. Disabled parking is an important part of the customer experience that is sometimes overlooked.”
    Operations manager Chris Preece said the scheme had proved a “revelation” at stores where it had been trialled, such as Taunton High Street.
    “As the only free car park in the town centre, protecting our disabled bays has been a constant battle.

    “The trial is an instant success. In fact, just having the new signage in our car park made an immediate impact. We’ve received nothing but positive feedback from our customers in Taunton. Similar praise has come from customers across our other stores.”

    Tesco has won the support of former British paratrooper Jordan Beecher, a customer at its Finchley store, who lost his leg in an IED attack in Afghanistan.
    “I’m delighted to hear that Tesco are doing something to raise awareness of the importance of disabled parking bays. This will definitely support others in a similar position,” he said.



    Whilst I have to agree with the sentiment how will the dvla know that the passenger has a blue badge and not just the RK. Indeed how will they work out parents and children.

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    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 8th Oct 16, 2:41 PM
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    One prime example is the use of "Traffic Officers" on motorways, the cheap replacement to real policing.
    When they are not sitting in service areas smoking and eating burgers, they are being ridiculed as people speed past them on the motorway knowing they are just traffic Wombles with no power to do anything.
    Originally posted by fisherjim
    Said by somebody who is ignorant of the role and purpose of the traffic officers
    • MothballsWallet
    • By MothballsWallet 8th Oct 16, 5:49 PM
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    Yep I think you've nailed it, despite the incoherent way it was written by Tesco PR.<snip>
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    PR people are usually experts at writing incoherent bull crap

    That's why they get paid huge sums of money for their profession.
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    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 8th Oct 16, 5:52 PM
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    Said by somebody who is ignorant of the role and purpose of the traffic officers
    Originally posted by unforeseen
    Please enlighten me if I have it wrong, you maybe correct but a traffic cop was equally scathing of their roll to me!
    To quote the words of the great Count Arthur Strong "You Couldn't make it up"
    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 8th Oct 16, 6:37 PM
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    Please enlighten me if I have it wrong, you maybe correct but a traffic cop was equally scathing of their roll to me!
    Originally posted by fisherjim
    They provide support to the police by E.G.

    Providing assistance to people on the hard shoulder by providing a safety buffer using their vehicle until rescue or recovery arrive. They have even been known to provide first time fixes occasionally A job that used to be down to the police until the advent of TOs

    Assisting in the aftermath of accidents where police actions have been completed such as carriageway cleanup etc. They also provide the initial 'coning' in some situations to make a safe area for the emergency services to work.

    They were never intended to do anything about speeders. I think the fact that they have a 4x4 loaded down with a pile of kit makes thafairly obvious (to most people)

    They are 5jere to add an additional safety factor to incidents and also allow police to be released earlier to catch your speeding friends

    ETA

    Probably could have saved myself typing by telling you to look at http://www.southwales-tra.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=11028
    Last edited by unforeseen; 08-10-2016 at 6:42 PM.
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 8th Oct 16, 9:24 PM
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    They provide support to the police by E.G.

    Providing assistance to people on the hard shoulder by providing a safety buffer using their vehicle until rescue or recovery arrive. They have even been known to provide first time fixes occasionally A job that used to be down to the police until the advent of TOs

    Assisting in the aftermath of accidents where police actions have been completed such as carriageway cleanup etc. They also provide the initial 'coning' in some situations to make a safe area for the emergency services to work.

    They were never intended to do anything about speeders. I think the fact that they have a 4x4 loaded down with a pile of kit makes thafairly obvious (to most people)

    They are 5jere to add an additional safety factor to incidents and also allow police to be released earlier to catch your speeding friends

    ETA

    Probably could have saved myself typing by telling you to look at http://www.southwales-tra.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=11028
    Originally posted by unforeseen
    Brilliant thanks, I know they can't do anything about speeders, maybe I was a little harsh quoting Jeremy Clarkson but my point was really about the lack of policing, since the introduction of the Traffic Officers there seems to be no policing going on at all.

    Though sorry not really helpful to the original thread!
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    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 9th Oct 16, 4:27 PM
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    What Tesco are doing does not make any sense

    By introducing a system whereby their staff take pictures must mean that they think Horizon are useless and cannot control their car parks

    Pointless therefore having Horizon around.

    The time is fast coming when a motorist is going to bop one of these evil ticket bods. Doubt they will bother if it's Tesco's staff or not.

    By doing this, Tesco have now placed themselves in the category of the other scammers even if it's only to do with disabled bays.

    Tesco have said that they will not profit from this ???? They have started their own parking dept so do we really believe that they would finance this (with their falling profits) and let Horizon take all the booty ...... don't think so.

    If Tesco staff take pictures then by the time they get to Horizon, they are third party and now Tesco customers can query the validity of pictures as Horizon will only be an acting agent who will not be able to prove the validity.

    Taking this to court, could well mean that Tesco and their staff will get involved and that is where Tesco will fall foul of their paying customers.

    As coupon-mad has said, Tesco could well fall foul of the Equality Act and that alone could cost them dearly.

    All in all, it is clear that Tesco actually don't understand the parking industry and it will take little time before they are seen as the new scammers and just like Donald Trump will start to really struggle

    I am all for disabled bays being kept clear for those needing them.
    It would be better to provide a lot more parking bays.
    What about the mother and child bays ?? Are the Tesco spy cam staff going to know who is who, it does not follow that a child seat will be on view. Maybe Tesco staff will follow them around.

    It's not the sort of company I wish spend my money with if they have spies on patrol

    I am sure it will not be long before Tesco wear the badge the other scammers do. You can guarantee it will be newspaper stories for all the wrong reasons.

    Silly Tesco, best to think it out again and let the so called professional scammers feed off your car parks. Or better still kick them out and give your profits a chance to recover
    Last edited by beamerguy; 09-10-2016 at 4:41 PM.
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    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 9th Oct 16, 5:22 PM
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    quite simple really, big signs saying pics taken of offending cars, offenders see the sign, see men taking pics, 1st few get Horizon threat letters and pay, word get round and job done. Pratts don't park there, well some do and get an invoice. Very few repeat. job done.
    At least that's the theory.
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    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 9th Oct 16, 5:39 PM
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    I was in Marks & Spencer yesterday using their conveniences.

    There was a scruffy Muppet from Tesco's (which is next door) in there having a wash and shave in the wash hand basin, talking to himself and making a right old mess.

    Yes these are just the sort of people to entrust with this sort of task!

    These dopes can't get an order right for love or money let alone issue a fake charge, and once they have set the ball rolling with their shiny new hand held device, the victim could be in the PPC bullies loop of threats for months if not years.
    To quote the words of the great Count Arthur Strong "You Couldn't make it up"
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 9th Oct 16, 5:58 PM
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    I was in Marks & Spencer yesterday using their conveniences.

    There was a scruffy Muppet from Tesco's (which is next door) in there having a wash and shave in the wash hand basin, talking to himself and making a right old mess.

    Yes these are just the sort of people to entrust with this sort of task!

    These dopes can't get an order right for love or money let alone issue a fake charge, and once they have set the ball rolling with their shiny new hand held device, the victim could be in the PPC bullies loop of threats for months if not years.
    Originally posted by fisherjim
    That is so funny Fisher, if only Tesco know how we preceive them
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    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 9th Oct 16, 7:56 PM
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    That is so funny Fisher, if only Tesco know how we preceive them
    Originally posted by beamerguy
    Believe me they know what I think of them, £319 home shopping delivery given to us free, well it was infested with maggots.

    Two deliveries with spirit bottles still with security tags attached driver showed us how to break them off.

    Raspberries substituted for grapes.

    A whole delivery failed to arrive.

    They are total Muppets and deserve all they get, now with Ocado they are the canines wobblies.
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    • By Umkomaas 9th Oct 16, 8:13 PM
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    What about the mother and child bays ?? Are the Tesco spy cam staff going to know who is who, it does not follow that a child seat will be on view. Maybe Tesco staff will follow them around.
    That will be a complete dog's breakfast. Unless they're there just at the point of parking, what evidence have they that no child was involved? And if they are, then mitigation of loss comes into play. Trolley pushers need to be appraised of VCS -v- Ibbotson before they go snapping. Will Tesco provide them with a free toothbrush?
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    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 9th Oct 16, 8:21 PM
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    Believe me they know what I think of them, £319 home shopping delivery given to us free, well it was infested with maggots.

    Two deliveries with spirit bottles still with security tags attached driver showed us how to break them off.

    Raspberries substituted for grapes.

    A whole delivery failed to arrive.

    They are total Muppets and deserve all they get, now with Ocado they are the canines wobblies.
    Originally posted by fisherjim
    WOW ...... maggots ???? Did you find out if they came from Tesco or Horizon ?

    As you know I go fishing so do Tesco's sell maggots cheaper then.

    Must admit, their food is not a touch on M&S

    So, to sum up, maggots, wrong product, security tags on booze left on, no delivery and now ..... entering into the scam business

    Those security tags though, does that mean that the Tesco staff like the cam-spies can escape the confines of Tesco.

    I must assume that this "CAT" chick who is running the parking division of Tesco is as thick as the bosses
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    • HO87
    • By HO87 9th Oct 16, 8:40 PM
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    Our local Tesco ( in Scotland0 had to apply to the council to take over the car park so that disabled parking bays could be enforced.
    Originally posted by sheramber
    That is unlikely to be true - although that might be the way Tesco's spun things. The law in Scotland is slightly different to that south of the border as a consequence of the Disabled Persons Parking Places (Scotland) Act 2009 which places the responsibility for blue badge enforcement on local authorities - even on private land. Councils have had to negotiate with landowners to ensure that there is legal provisions between them to ensure that they can fulfil their duties.

    The biggest offender were the local police parking at the door to go in and buy there lunch.
    Originally posted by sheramber
    Oh dear. If it isn't buying do-nuts, using the blues and twos to get back to the station for tea or using their big vans to move house then the only reason why a police vehicle is parked at a supermarket is because officers are buying their lunch.

    Apart from the fact that a police officer can give permission for a vehicle to be parked in a way that would otherwise disclose an offence officers are encouraged to park in a visible fashion - to be obvious. Perhaps its news to some but officers are human (largely speaking) and need to eat so what is wrong with them buying food?

    However, given current pressures on the much reduced numbers of front-line officers I doubt that they are swanning. There is no time for that. Police work involves far more than dashing from incident to incident with the siren yelping because it sounds good, beating up gobby youths or pulling boyracers because they want to admire their rims. Get real.

    If you are jealous of the fact that officers get to exceed the speed limit occasionally or park "wherever they like", buy food while at work - and eat it, then you too could enjoy the same "privileges". All you have to accept in return is being spat at in the face by a seriously over-refreshed young female graduate who has just vomited down your back and believes that being helped out of the one remaining stiletto (so she doesn't break her ankle) is an assault worthy of being bitten on the arm so hard it draws blood; walking along the hard-shoulder in the driving rain picking up the body parts of an unfortunate motorcyclist who had an entanglement with the Armco barrier and then going to the bereaved mother's home to tell her that her only son has died. I'd call that a spanking deal.

    Of course the other alternative is that if you don't like the police service don't bother calling them. That is until the batteries in your TV remote go flat, your darling Jocasta chucks your best quality genuine synthetic pearl ear-rings down the bog or you run out of emergency credit on your electric key because you were too busy binge-watching TOWIE or whatever last night to top-it up[/rant].
    Last edited by HO87; 09-10-2016 at 8:43 PM.
    My very sincere apologies for those hoping to request off-board assistance but I am now so inundated with requests that in order to do justice to those "already in the system" I am no longer accepting PM's and am unlikely to do so for the foreseeable future (August 2016).

    For those seeking more detailed advice and guidance regarding small claims cases arising from private parking issues I recommend that you visit the Private Parking forum on PePiPoo.com
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 9th Oct 16, 8:57 PM
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    Apart from the fact that a police officer can give permission for a vehicle to be parked in a way that would otherwise disclose an offence officers are encouraged to park in a visible fashion - to be obvious. Perhaps its news to some but officers are human (largely speaking) and need to eat so what is wrong with them buying food?

    [/rant].
    Originally posted by HO87
    but can they give permission to themselves ???

    So, they eat, so they buy food .... so they abide by the law ... so they park where they are allowed to, not on double yellows, not on grass verges chumping on garage fodder, seen so many times
    Last edited by beamerguy; 09-10-2016 at 9:02 PM.
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    • HO87
    • By HO87 10th Oct 16, 12:20 AM
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    but can they give permission to themselves ???

    So, they eat, so they buy food .... so they abide by the law ... so they park where they are allowed to, not on double yellows, not on grass verges chumping on garage fodder, seen so many times
    Originally posted by beamerguy
    Seen? By whom? Can't have been you BG unless it was on your screen

    Apart from the fact that I can't be ar*ed to deconstuct the argument in detail. I'd cry BS. These comments go into the same BS urban myth folder as "buses always come along in threes" and "the cheque is in the post".

    The police unlike other parts of the establishment are very visible and as a consequence an all too convenient Aunt Sally. I've eaten garage fodder for the simple reason that I have been too busy patching up a warring couple for the sixth time that week to be able to get home and eat something decent. Or have gone without any food at all because a poor chap that has been detained under the Mental Health Act requires constant observations and Social Services can't raise a suitable case worker to attend outside office hours.

    Like I said BG if you don't like it, don't use them. I'm sure some security company will be more than happy to assist you. At a price. And don't go thinking I'm shooting a line here. If what the May woman started whilst she was Home Secretary was to continue to its natural conclusion the vast majority of the public will be "policed" by non-warranted civvies and constables will only be trotted out to make arrests and to execute search warrants. What makes you think that civvy security staff will park any better or will be less inclined to eat crap?

    Be careful what you wish for.
    My very sincere apologies for those hoping to request off-board assistance but I am now so inundated with requests that in order to do justice to those "already in the system" I am no longer accepting PM's and am unlikely to do so for the foreseeable future (August 2016).

    For those seeking more detailed advice and guidance regarding small claims cases arising from private parking issues I recommend that you visit the Private Parking forum on PePiPoo.com
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 10th Oct 16, 9:22 AM
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    Seen? By whom? Can't have been you BG unless it was on your screen

    Apart from the fact that I can't be ar*ed to deconstuct the argument in detail. I'd cry BS. These comments go into the same BS urban myth folder as "buses always come along in threes" and "the cheque is in the post".

    The police unlike other parts of the establishment are very visible and as a consequence an all too convenient Aunt Sally. I've eaten garage fodder for the simple reason that I have been too busy patching up a warring couple for the sixth time that week to be able to get home and eat something decent. Or have gone without any food at all because a poor chap that has been detained under the Mental Health Act requires constant observations and Social Services can't raise a suitable case worker to attend outside office hours.

    Like I said BG if you don't like it, don't use them. I'm sure some security company will be more than happy to assist you. At a price. And don't go thinking I'm shooting a line here. If what the May woman started whilst she was Home Secretary was to continue to its natural conclusion the vast majority of the public will be "policed" by non-warranted civvies and constables will only be trotted out to make arrests and to execute search warrants. What makes you think that civvy security staff will park any better or will be less inclined to eat crap?

    Be careful what you wish for.
    Originally posted by HO87
    You make some interesting comments. and my comment related to what sheramber said. I have seen the same and not on the screen.

    Nobody is knocking what you or your fellow officers do, it just a simple comment
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    • By The Slithy Tove 10th Oct 16, 10:12 AM
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    All in all, it is clear that Tesco actually don't understand the parking industry
    Originally posted by beamerguy
    Which brings us to the age-old insourcing/outsourcing argument that goes round and round every few years.

    Tesco's core competency (arguably ) is selling us stuff, sourcing it, getting it to the stores, encouraging us to buy it from them. Other things they try to outsource so they don't have to become experts. Most companies do this with things like facilities management, core IT services, catering and so on. Tesco don't want to know about parking management so, in their naivety, outsource it to a company who they thought does know about it (not realising they are just as ignorant about "management"). And, as is often the case, when an outsourced service doesn't perform, it's brought in-house, forcing them to learn about this area. Inevitably, they'll make mistakes along the way, largely due to ignorance, and after wasting loads of money and good-will, they'll give up and outsource it again. And so the merry-go-round continues. [The classic for this is IT services; a friend of mine has been at the same company for many years, but has been successively outsourced and insourced back again so many times, he's lost count.]
    • HO87
    • By HO87 10th Oct 16, 11:07 AM
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    You make some interesting comments. and my comment related to what sheramber said. I have seen the same and not on the screen.

    Nobody is knocking what you or your fellow officers do, it just a simple comment
    Originally posted by beamerguy
    If your intention was not to knock what officers do then what was it?

    Of course you and the earlier poster were knocking officers because that is what such comments are about. The implication is always that the officers were doing something they shouldn't and that the only reason they got away with it is because they are police officers.

    And the intention in my responding? To attempt to educate those who are otherwise ignorant of the raw reality behind what officers are obliged to do and use their imaginations to fill in the gaps.

    Can you imagine how nice it is to get out of a patrol car periodically that despite being steam cleaned still stinks of vomit and other bodily waste? And even though it reeks you have no choice but to use it because there is no spare? But then reality might get in the way of a cheap jibe.
    Last edited by HO87; 10-10-2016 at 11:09 AM.
    My very sincere apologies for those hoping to request off-board assistance but I am now so inundated with requests that in order to do justice to those "already in the system" I am no longer accepting PM's and am unlikely to do so for the foreseeable future (August 2016).

    For those seeking more detailed advice and guidance regarding small claims cases arising from private parking issues I recommend that you visit the Private Parking forum on PePiPoo.com
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 10th Oct 16, 11:17 AM
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    If your intention was not to knock what officers do then what was it?

    Of course you and the earlier poster were knocking officers because that is what such comments are about. The implication is always that the officers were doing something they shouldn't and that the only reason they got away with it is because they are police officers.

    And the intention in my responding? To attempt to educate those who are otherwise ignorant of the raw reality behind what officers are obliged to do and use their imaginations to fill in the gaps.

    Can you imagine how nice it is to get out of a patrol car periodically that despite being steam cleaned still stinks of vomit and other bodily waste? And even though it reeks you have no choice but to use it because there is no spare? But then reality might get in the way of a cheap jibe.
    Originally posted by HO87
    That was a simple statement and that is all. I have friends in the force and know exactly what they go through. None of this is under discussion
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    • ANNOYED1
    • By ANNOYED1 13th Oct 16, 5:42 PM
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    Having contacted tesco on this matter they are saying the disabled bays are for blue badge holders only and only for people with physical disabilities. They are completely ignoring the Equality Act and saying to take it up with the council.
    They are saying that people with mental health problems who need the bays cannot park there.
    Despite being told that Blue Badge scheme is for Council car parks and highways only.
    They say because other retailers do this so they will do this and that it is not illegal.
    They say to discuss the situation with customer service desk in store.
    Also was told that physical disabilities have more priorities than mental disabilities.

    If i receive any PCN i will challenge them and make tesco compensate me for many additional distress caused by the situation. I advice others to do the same. Don't let them bully you.
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