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    • wanderlust23
    • By wanderlust23 6th Oct 16, 1:15 PM
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    Hogging right lane
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    • 6th Oct 16, 1:15 PM
    Hogging right lane 6th Oct 16 at 1:15 PM
    Hi all,

    I've only been driving a couple of weeks and would like some clarification. Yesterday, when travelling to work I moved into the right hand lane on a dual carriageway as I needed to take the next right. I was doing the maximum speed limit for the road and couldn't have been in the right lane for more than 10 seconds before another driver was tailgating me and flashing his headlights trying to get me to move back over. I was speaking to some friends after who said it was probably because I was "hogging" the right lane.

    If I'm doing the maximum speed limit for that road and I plan on taking the next right I fail to see what the issue is? There are also speed cameras along that very road and yet people seem to not be bothered. Personally, I don't want a fine and points on my license when I've only been driving for a matter of weeks!
    Last edited by wanderlust23; 06-10-2016 at 3:20 PM.
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    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 12th Oct 16, 4:10 PM
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    You really are a condescending bunch aren't you? Perhaps you should all jump off your high horses and take a look at your own attitude to the road and other drivers.
    Originally posted by wanderlust23
    Weren't you the one on the high horse about the driver behind you? So it's fine for you to criticise others but not fine for anyone to criticise you. Wow that will work on the internet! The most dangerous driver is the one who thinks he never makes a mistake, and thinks he will never make one.
    • wanderlust23
    • By wanderlust23 12th Oct 16, 4:23 PM
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    Weren't you the one on the high horse about the driver behind you? So it's fine for you to criticise others but not fine for anyone to criticise you. Wow that will work on the internet! The most dangerous driver is the one who thinks he never makes a mistake, and thinks he will never make one.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    Wasn't I the one being tailgating and flashed at? You have assumed I entered the right lane too early and indicated too late. Why don't you assume I didn't and tell me where my mistake was? Oh that's right...you won't because you prefer to assume I was in the wrong so you can sit on your high horse.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 12th Oct 16, 4:28 PM
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    Wasn't I the one being tailgating and flashed at? You have assumed I entered the right lane too early and indicated too late. Why don't you assume I didn't and tell me where my mistake was? Oh that's right...you won't because you prefer to assume I was in the wrong so you can sit on your high horse.
    Originally posted by wanderlust23
    It's the arrogant attitude that you couldn't possibly in error that makes me suspicious (and not only me). You find me a driver that never makes a mistake and I will find you a hen's tooth that is 24 carat gold. You can't even stand the scrutiny of telling us roughly how far from the junction you turned into the lane. And the car just appeared there and you didn't see it approach? Are your mirrors attached to the car? Did you use them? Blind spot check? Or did you just assume that because you were driving at the speed limit that no one would be going fast enough to be approaching, and if they were, they shouldn't be, so tough luck on them.

    Remember that as you were the one changing direction, it's your responsibility to look for the things you don't expect to see, not what you do. It's called observation and anticipation. That car didn't teleport there. I find it improbable that it would have been going sufficiently quickly to appear out of nowhere and if he had, why didn't you hear him before you saw him?
    Last edited by Mercdriver; 12-10-2016 at 4:36 PM.
    • wanderlust23
    • By wanderlust23 12th Oct 16, 4:50 PM
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    It's the arrogant attitude that you couldn't possibly in error that makes me suspicious (and not only me). You find me a driver that never makes a mistake and I will find you a hen's tooth that is 24 carat gold. You can't even stand the scrutiny of telling us roughly how far from the junction you turned into the lane. And the car just appeared there and you didn't see it approach? Are your mirrors attached to the car? Did you use them? Blind spot check? Or did you just assume that because you were driving at the speed limit that no one would be going fast enough to be approaching, and if they were, they shouldn't be, so tough luck on them.

    Remember that as you were the one changing direction, it's your responsibility to look for the things you don't expect to see, not what you do. It's called observation and anticipation. That car didn't teleport there. I find it improbable that it would have been going sufficiently quickly to appear out of nowhere and if he had, why didn't you hear him before you saw him?
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    • wanderlust23
    • By wanderlust23 12th Oct 16, 4:53 PM
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    We can go round in circles about this for another 10 pages. The unfortunate fact is that there are many impatient drivers out there, perhaps yourself included.
    • Head The Ball
    • By Head The Ball 12th Oct 16, 5:00 PM
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    You really are a condescending bunch aren't you? Perhaps you should all jump off your high horses and take a look at your own attitude to the road and other drivers.
    Originally posted by wanderlust23
    Most posters on here think that your driving could do with some improvement. None of them know you so they have based that solely on what you have posted on here about your own actions.

    Your own friends, who presumably do know you well and may have been with you in a car that you were driving, think that you were 'hogging' the overtaking lane.

    Does all that not suggest that perhaps, just perhaps, the only person on a 'high horse' is the one you see in the mirror? (I don't mean your rear view mirror as you probably don't use that. )

    I have over 40 years and over half a million miles driving experience. Despite that I make mistakes occasionally and I always try to learn from those mistakes. I do not and never will consider myself to be a perfect driver.

    You have a couple of weeks experience and you think you know it all.

    Please tell us all where you live and what car you drive so we can take extra care in that area.
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    • wanderlust23
    • By wanderlust23 12th Oct 16, 5:06 PM
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    Most posters on here think that your driving could do with some improvement. None of them know you so they have based that solely on what you have posted on here about your own actions.

    Your own friends, who presumably do know you well and may have been with you in a car that you were driving, think that you were 'hogging' the overtaking lane.

    Does all that not suggest that perhaps, just perhaps, the only person on a 'high horse' is the one you see in the mirror? (I don't mean your rear view mirror as you probably don't use that. )

    I have over 40 years and over half a million miles driving experience. Despite that I make mistakes occasionally and I always try to learn from those mistakes. I do not and never will consider myself to be a perfect driver.

    You have a couple of weeks experience and you think you know it all.

    Please tell us all where you live and what car you drive so we can take extra care in that area.
    Originally posted by Head The Ball
    Explains a lot.
    • Head The Ball
    • By Head The Ball 12th Oct 16, 5:15 PM
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    One day you will learn, probably the hard way.

    Hopefully you won't injure or kill anyone else through your own stupidity and unwillingness to learn from your own mistakes.
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    • wanderlust23
    • By wanderlust23 12th Oct 16, 5:18 PM
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    One day you will learn, probably the hard way.

    Hopefully you won't injure or kill anyone else through your own stupidity and unwillingness to learn from your own mistakes.
    Originally posted by Head The Ball
    If that did happen it would probably be because of drivers like yourself that fail to see any wrong in tailgating or flashing headlights.
    • Iceweasel
    • By Iceweasel 12th Oct 16, 5:21 PM
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    Or did you just assume that because you were driving at the speed limit that no one would be going fast enough to be approaching, and if they were, they shouldn't be, so tough luck on them.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    This sums up the entire thing - sadly.

    aka - policing the road.
    • Fat Walt
    • By Fat Walt 12th Oct 16, 5:27 PM
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    We can go round in circles about this for another 10 pages. The unfortunate fact is that there are many impatient drivers out there, perhaps yourself included.
    Originally posted by wanderlust23

    And you'll still not accept any wrong doing on your part.
    • Head The Ball
    • By Head The Ball 12th Oct 16, 5:27 PM
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    If that did happen it would probably be because of drivers like yourself that fail to see any wrong in tailgating or flashing headlights.
    Originally posted by wanderlust23
    Not only are you still spectacularly missing the point, you are accusing me of condoning something that I have not condoned either here in this thread or elsewhere.

    If your driving is as bad as your understanding of written English, I'm not surprised you get flashed and tailgated.
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    • wanderlust23
    • By wanderlust23 12th Oct 16, 5:40 PM
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    Not only are you still spectacularly missing the point, you are accusing me of condoning something that I have not condoned either here in this thread or elsewhere.

    If your driving is as bad as your understanding of written English, I'm not surprised you get flashed and tailgated.
    Originally posted by Head The Ball
    And it is here that I shall leave this thread....
    • Head The Ball
    • By Head The Ball 12th Oct 16, 5:43 PM
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    Thank god for that.



    Book yourself in for additional driver training please.

    Scrub that, you will probably just tell the instructor he doesn't know what he is talking about.
    Last edited by Head The Ball; 12-10-2016 at 5:45 PM.
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    • Head The Ball
    • By Head The Ball 12th Oct 16, 5:52 PM
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    This thread is a classic example of someone expecting to get positive comments, praise and agreement and then throwing his toys out of the pram when that doesn't happen.
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    • ManuelG
    • By ManuelG 12th Oct 16, 7:22 PM
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    We can go round in circles about this for another 10 pages.
    Originally posted by wanderlust23
    Please lets do that.
    • Wig
    • By Wig 12th Oct 16, 8:18 PM
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    OP,

    People have assumed and filled in the gaps because you have not explained everything that happened.

    You say that you moved to RHL for at least 10 seconds before someone was up your !!!! flashing you.
    You say that once you did indicate the driver went past on the left.

    I have not read whole thread, but even these 2 little bits of information is enough to tell us:
    A) RHL was virtually empty, because it took a long time (in driving terms) for someone to approach from behind.
    B) You feel that you entered the RHL at a point that was too early to indicate from.
    C) Left hand lane had sufficiently low traffic density for a pass on the left.

    So I am left as a reader of your posts, given the above ABC, why did you move right before the point at which you would feel comfortable indicating from?

    The point at which one can indicate comfortably from is quite a long distance, especially on a dual carriageway where one is turning right. Much much longer than say "a left hand turn in a 30 zone".


    So my assumptions are:

    1. You moved right too soon, unecessarily
    OR
    You don't realise just how far back from the turning, drivers should be indicating from.

    2. You don't like to be criticised and will never admit any fault.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 12th Oct 16, 9:02 PM
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    Originally posted by wanderlust23
    That's really quite childish.

    If you can be in a car that weighs over a ton and think that there is no way you could ever drive better, then it is pretty much certain that at some point you will come unstuck. I just hope you don't take anyone else out in the process.

    You could have reasoned with us by stating at what distance away you were, and yes, opinions may have differed as to the correctness of that timing, but instead you made assumptions about the traffic around you which can be at best inconsiderate and at worst dangerous.

    If in future you find someone behind you tailgating and flashing you, as safely and as calmly as possible get out of their way. Let them past. Do you observations more carefully. Accept that you aren't perfect and actually no one else expects you to be. If someone wants to break the law, let them. It's their licence not yours. Yes you want to avoid points so you don't have to start again, but holding up people in an overtaking lane can lead to Careless driving conviction. The speed another driver wants to go won't be a defence to that.

    And FYI:

    I'm not an impatient driver. I spend 90% of my time on motorways and have driven over 70,000 miles in 3 years. I've made mistakes and misjudgements, and have been fortunate enough not to have been the cause of any accidents, though have been victim of one.

    Tailgating is self defeating and pointless. In traffic I hold back a gap and keep a steady pace so I don't use my brakes unnecessarily. So yes, I get flashed sometimes because I don't immediately close the gap as it's pointless when if you are looking at the traffic ahead and it's not moving very quickly. Some drivers get annoyed when other people go into the gap you have left, but you don't lose time over it.

    Learn to get over yourself. It's easy to be overconfident at the start, thinking that you are qualified. You may well know the theory of driving better than some, but practice makes a big difference in the real world. In the real world you have to be more pragmatic and think on your feet and be much more flexible.

    Drive safe and take care.
    Last edited by Mercdriver; 12-10-2016 at 9:09 PM.
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