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    • wanderlust23
    • By wanderlust23 6th Oct 16, 1:15 PM
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    Hogging right lane
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    • 6th Oct 16, 1:15 PM
    Hogging right lane 6th Oct 16 at 1:15 PM
    Hi all,

    I've only been driving a couple of weeks and would like some clarification. Yesterday, when travelling to work I moved into the right hand lane on a dual carriageway as I needed to take the next right. I was doing the maximum speed limit for the road and couldn't have been in the right lane for more than 10 seconds before another driver was tailgating me and flashing his headlights trying to get me to move back over. I was speaking to some friends after who said it was probably because I was "hogging" the right lane.

    If I'm doing the maximum speed limit for that road and I plan on taking the next right I fail to see what the issue is? There are also speed cameras along that very road and yet people seem to not be bothered. Personally, I don't want a fine and points on my license when I've only been driving for a matter of weeks!
    Last edited by wanderlust23; 06-10-2016 at 3:20 PM.
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    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 9th Oct 16, 2:44 PM
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    OP, from what you've described in your posts i honestly can't see anything that you were obviously doing wrong. Perhaps you could have moved over a little later, perhaps you could have indicated for the turn a little earlier.

    None of us know because none of us were there, but you've already said that you've taken both of those points onboard so you clearly are accepting and learning from advice. Accepting and learning from abuse is, of course an entirely different matter that some posters seem to get confused over.

    Unfortunately around here there seems to be a pervasive assumption that if someone is out of the left hand lane and is flashed or tailgated then that person - rather than the one flashing / tailgating - is automatically in the wrong and a lane hog. You'll find the same lunatic assumption on many, if not most, motoring forums because to many people "stay left" is the only thing they've ever learnt and so it's the be-all and end-all of motorway driving for them.

    They're they ones who cut in FAR too early after passing, inconveniencing you by forcing you to continually slow down in order to keep a safe gap but God forbid that someone should inconvenience them by getting in their way for a few seconds when thy want to speed.

    These people tend to have very poor observation and anticipation skills (or they wouldn't move left in order to immediately swerve out again or hammer the brakes to avoid lorries!) and it's generally best to politely ignore their opinions and give them as much space as you (safely) can on the road because their driving [i]will[i] be centred entirely around their own perspective.
    Last edited by Joe Horner; 09-10-2016 at 2:48 PM.
    • sillygoose
    • By sillygoose 9th Oct 16, 3:18 PM
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    I don't mind right lane hogs, as I had a lovely cruise home on the M6 toll last night that, despite very sparse traffic, I had an whole (left) lane to myself for the entire journey, just sat relaxed on cruise control.

    Not sure why not a single other vehicle joined me, weird!
    • wanderlust23
    • By wanderlust23 9th Oct 16, 3:26 PM
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    I would think that keeping out of their way would lead to less accidents - don't you?

    I do hope you've learned something from the 100 posts here.

    But I fear with your attitude of "I'm doing the speed limit no-one should be passing me." and getting into the right lane early and then without an early signal to show you intend turning at the next junction, that you are going to do the same thing again.

    Unless you start thinking that you could perhaps have made a better job of this you are going to get flashed a lot.

    It doesn't matter if you are right - best to avoid annoying people even if they are wrong.
    Originally posted by Iceweasel
    Whether or not people want to pass me (and break the law) is their choice but I would prefer not to be tailgated and flashed at on a dark morning (or at any time for that matter). I believe even with an early signal, he probably still would have had the same reaction because he would have preferred me to either break the speed limit like he was or move back over to the left. Unfortunately for him, I wasn't prepared to do either

    OP, from what you've described in your posts i honestly can't see anything that you were obviously doing wrong. Perhaps you could have moved over a little later, perhaps you could have indicated for the turn a little earlier.

    None of us know because none of us were there, but you've already said that you've taken both of those points onboard so you clearly are accepting and learning from advice. Accepting and learning from abuse is, of course an entirely different matter that some posters seem to get confused over.

    Unfortunately around here there seems to be a pervasive assumption that if someone is out of the left hand lane and is flashed or tailgated then that person - rather than the one flashing / tailgating - is automatically in the wrong and a lane hog. You'll find the same lunatic assumption on many, if not most, motoring forums because to many people "stay left" is the only thing they've ever learnt and so it's the be-all and end-all of motorway driving for them.

    They're they ones who cut in FAR too early after passing, inconveniencing you by forcing you to continually slow down in order to keep a safe gap but God forbid that someone should inconvenience them by getting in their way for a few seconds when thy want to speed.

    These people tend to have very poor observation and anticipation skills (or they wouldn't move left in order to immediately swerve out again or hammer the brakes to avoid lorries!) and it's generally best to politely ignore their opinions and give them as much space as you (safely) can on the road because their driving [i]will[i] be centred entirely around their own perspective.
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    Thank you for speaking the most sense in this thread
    • facade
    • By facade 9th Oct 16, 3:28 PM
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    I don't mind right lane hogs, as I had a lovely cruise home on the M6 toll last night that, despite very sparse traffic, I had an whole (left) lane to myself for the entire journey, just sat relaxed on cruise control.

    Not sure why not a single other vehicle joined me, weird!
    Originally posted by sillygoose


    No surprise, it costs £5.50 to drive on the thing!!!
    I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....

    (except air quality and Medical Science )
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 9th Oct 16, 4:18 PM
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    I think impatience is more likely to lead to accidents by such things as tailgating or blinding other drivers by flashing the headlights. Just an example....
    Originally posted by wanderlust23
    I would say that over confidence causes at least as many accidents as impatience. Indeed, impatience is often a product of over confidence. I have been driving for a little more than 3 years, and my driving isn't fault free. I see that in spite of your confidence in your abilities, you still haven't said how far away from the junction you moved to the right. If you were indeed right, why the reticence?

    Someone isn't necessarily correct simply because they agree with your view. Your over confidence could make you a real risk. One of the reasons for drink driving rules is the high level of over confidence it gives you.

    Don't drive with a holier than thou attitude. You will come unstuck. Drive to take account for the idiots around you. And you never know, sometimes the idiot will be you. Accept you can make mistakes and then drive to take that into account. Also as others have said there's no joy in seeing a tombstone that says:

    "Here lies Wunderlust23. His driving was faultless, his speed was unimpeachable. Alas being right didn't save him."

    Last edited by Mercdriver; 09-10-2016 at 4:31 PM.
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 9th Oct 16, 5:03 PM
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    I see that in spite of your confidence in your abilities, you still haven't said how far away from the junction you moved to the right. If you were indeed right, why the reticence?
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    Possibly because we still live in a society where people - rightly - aren't required to prove their innocence and "you won't give a distance therefore you're obviously in the wrong" is pure witch-hunt logic?

    As for over confidence, surely moving over a little early (if he did), when he can do so without risking having to over-confidently force himself between other cars at the last minute, is a sensible precaution while gaining experience?

    I really do struggle to understand why so many people so aggressively condemn what they assume was lane hogging (with nothing but their own assumption to back that up) while condoning tailgating and light-flashing in the same sentence and suggesting it's the fault of the op rather than the tailgater.

    That's essentially the same mind-set that blames the rape victim for wearing a short skirt!
    • sillygoose
    • By sillygoose 9th Oct 16, 5:30 PM
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    No surprise, it costs £5.50 to drive on the thing!!!
    Originally posted by facade
    Is that why everyone drives in the middle? The perception they are getting their money's worth.. weirder still!
    • facade
    • By facade 9th Oct 16, 5:50 PM
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    Is that why everyone drives in the middle? The perception they are getting their money's worth.. weirder still!
    Originally posted by sillygoose
    For £5.50 I'd want to experience every millimetre of it, if I couldn't reverse back along the second lane to go forwards again along the third I'd weave from lane to lane like a Grand Prix car.

    When it first opened, people used to have a go on it as there were no speed cameras and no traffic either.
    I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....

    (except air quality and Medical Science )
    • Iceweasel
    • By Iceweasel 9th Oct 16, 6:08 PM
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    For £5.50 I'd want to experience every millimetre of it, if I couldn't reverse back along the second lane to go forwards again along the third I'd weave from lane to lane like a Grand Prix car.

    When it first opened, people used to have a go on it as there were no speed cameras and no traffic either.
    Originally posted by facade
    I've never been on it - I don't approve of toll roads or bridges.

    It's been a complete disaster and has 'lost' money every year - translated that means that there have been no big profits for the 'entrepeneurs' aka Fat Cats behind Midland Expressway Ltd - oh dear, my heart bleeds - how sad, never mind.

    It's likely to be nationalised soon isn't it..
    • patman99
    • By patman99 9th Oct 16, 6:09 PM
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    Op, for what it is worth, you did the right thing in making your move with plenty of time to separate your 2 actions (move to r/h/lane, exit to right).

    Pity you didn't have a rear facing dashcam or you might have been able to post a video like THIS one.

    Unfortuanatley for the van driver, he was tailgating an unmarked Police car.
    Still, you could hav uplaoded it to Youtube so the world could see 9and possibly identify) the prat behind the wheel.

    The one thing that really irks my are drivers who think that this sort of action is acceptable.
    I had a BMW (no surprises there) decide to try to undertake me a month ago as I was out in the right hand lane to overtake one lorry, but due to the short distance to the next) decided to stay out to clear a 2nd.
    The idiot came screaming up behind me, cut to the left lane and realised almost to late that he could not complete his manouver and had to slam on his brakes.
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    • Iceweasel
    • By Iceweasel 9th Oct 16, 6:12 PM
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    Op, for what it is worth, you did the right thing in making your move with plenty of time to separate your 2 actions (move to r/h/lane, exit to right).

    Pity you didn't have a rear facing dashcam or you might have been able to post a video like THIS one.

    Unfortuanatley for the van driver, he was tailgating an unmarked Police car.
    Still, you could hav uplaoded it to Youtube so the world could see 9and possibly identify) the prat behind the wheel.

    The one thing that really irks my are drivers who think that this sort of action is acceptable.
    I had a BMW (no surprises there) decide to try to undertake me a month ago as I was out in the right hand lane to overtake one lorry, but due to the short distance to the next) decided to stay out to clear a 2nd.
    The idiot came screaming up behind me, cut to the left lane and realised almost to late that he could not complete his manouver and had to slam on his brakes.
    Originally posted by patman99
    Idiots drive any and all makes of car.

    BMW does not have a monopoly on idiots.
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 9th Oct 16, 6:40 PM
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    Idiots drive any and all makes of car.

    BMW does not have a monopoly on idiots.
    Originally posted by Iceweasel
    Correct, most idots have now moved to AUDI's

    Or they get driving jobs at Car Spares.
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    • wanderlust23
    • By wanderlust23 9th Oct 16, 7:12 PM
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    I would say that over confidence causes at least as many accidents as impatience. Indeed, impatience is often a product of over confidence. I have been driving for a little more than 3 years, and my driving isn't fault free. I see that in spite of your confidence in your abilities, you still haven't said how far away from the junction you moved to the right. If you were indeed right, why the reticence?

    Someone isn't necessarily correct simply because they agree with your view. Your over confidence could make you a real risk. One of the reasons for drink driving rules is the high level of over confidence it gives you.

    Don't drive with a holier than thou attitude. You will come unstuck. Drive to take account for the idiots around you. And you never know, sometimes the idiot will be you. Accept you can make mistakes and then drive to take that into account. Also as others have said there's no joy in seeing a tombstone that says:

    "Here lies Wunderlust23. His driving was faultless, his speed was unimpeachable. Alas being right didn't save him."

    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    Sorry, I wasn't aware that being a driver that respects the rules of the road means that I am an over confident driver. I will make sure I avoid doing that in the future.

    Surprisingly (given the amount of people supporting the other driver) I've never seen a tombstone that says...

    "Here lies a much loved speeder, tailgater and headlight flasher."


    Possibly because we still live in a society where people - rightly - aren't required to prove their innocence and "you won't give a distance therefore you're obviously in the wrong" is pure witch-hunt logic?

    As for over confidence, surely moving over a little early (if he did), when he can do so without risking having to over-confidently force himself between other cars at the last minute, is a sensible precaution while gaining experience?

    I really do struggle to understand why so many people so aggressively condemn what they assume was lane hogging (with nothing but their own assumption to back that up) while condoning tailgating and light-flashing in the same sentence and suggesting it's the fault of the op rather than the tailgater.

    That's essentially the same mind-set that blames the rape victim for wearing a short skirt!
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    Exactly. There wouldn't be much point in explaining exactly where I moved over because people will always find fault. I've already been found the guilty party by some. Someone actually asked me to post a link to the exact location on google maps...I mean c'mon!

    Op, for what it is worth, you did the right thing in making your move with plenty of time to separate your 2 actions (move to r/h/lane, exit to right).

    Pity you didn't have a rear facing dashcam or you might have been able to post a video like THIS one.

    Unfortuanatley for the van driver, he was tailgating an unmarked Police car.
    Still, you could hav uplaoded it to Youtube so the world could see 9and possibly identify) the prat behind the wheel.

    The one thing that really irks my are drivers who think that this sort of action is acceptable.
    I had a BMW (no surprises there) decide to try to undertake me a month ago as I was out in the right hand lane to overtake one lorry, but due to the short distance to the next) decided to stay out to clear a 2nd.
    The idiot came screaming up behind me, cut to the left lane and realised almost to late that he could not complete his manouver and had to slam on his brakes.
    Originally posted by patman99
    I bought a dashcam a few days before I made this thread. Videos of my impecable driving coming to a screen near you soon
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 9th Oct 16, 7:52 PM
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    [...] Videos of my impecable driving coming to a screen near you soon
    Originally posted by wanderlust23
    If you can't beat 'em, .....
    • Richard53
    • By Richard53 9th Oct 16, 9:03 PM
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    I prefer to trust the OED and my training than an opinion which contradicts them.

    Yes, 50 years ago he/she would be considered the only grammatically correct option, but as I said, language evolves and in this case has evolved, and common usage has superseded traditional teaching.
    Originally posted by BeenThroughItAll
    'They' as a gender-neutral singular pronoun has been in English since Shakespeare and before. I think Chaucer used it, but I can't give you a reference without checking. For a period in the C19 it was considered 'illogical' by grammarians, and a lot of teachers were trained that it was grammatically incorrect (mine among them) but it's no more incorrect than using 'who' when it should be 'whom'. I doubt if more than 1% of speakers could get that one correct these days. I don't like singular 'they' myself and avoid using it in writing, but I probably use it in speech all the time.


    Simply saying something is incorrect means you have to define correct, and that is not easy.
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    • Richard53
    • By Richard53 9th Oct 16, 9:22 PM
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    OP, none of us was there, so we can only go by what you said and our own prejudices experiences. FWIW, here's what I think is the correct procedure:
    • Good observation of following traffic
    • Move over to the right lane in good time, ensuring that no-one has to brake or alter course because of your actions
    • Indicate to signal the lane change if there is anyone to benefit from it
    • Cancel indicator, then re-apply to show clearly that you are turning right
    • Slow before turn, and use decel lane or refuge as necessary
    If you indicate that you are turning, it gives the following driver 'permission' to pass you on the left, so he/she is not impeded.


    I see this a lot on a stretch of DC near me (A40 between Carmarthen and St Clears in West Wales). It's a fast DC with a lot of right turns across the central reservation, and many local numpties get into the right lane a good mile before their turning, but only signal at the last minute. Often, they are doing 40 on an NSL road. It's very frustrating for following traffic, because you could be doing a legal 70 mph but are forced to choose between doing 40 behind Mrs Evans or overtaking her on the left and breaking the law (arguably).


    Timely lane changes and clear signalling eliminate the problem.
    If all misfortunes were laid in one common heap whence everyone must take an equal portion, most people would be contented to take their own and depart. (Attrib. to Socrates)
    • BeenThroughItAll
    • By BeenThroughItAll 9th Oct 16, 9:43 PM
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    'They' as a gender-neutral singular pronoun has been in English since Shakespeare and before. I think Chaucer used it, but I can't give you a reference without checking. For a period in the C19 it was considered 'illogical' by grammarians, and a lot of teachers were trained that it was grammatically incorrect (mine among them) but it's no more incorrect than using 'who' when it should be 'whom'. I doubt if more than 1% of speakers could get that one correct these days. I don't like singular 'they' myself and avoid using it in writing, but I probably use it in speech all the time.


    Simply saying something is incorrect means you have to define correct, and that is not easy.
    Originally posted by Richard53
    I know, I'm completely in agreement with you.
    • wanderlust23
    • By wanderlust23 9th Oct 16, 9:51 PM
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    OP, none of us was there, so we can only go by what you said and our own prejudices experiences. FWIW, here's what I think is the correct procedure:
    • Good observation of following traffic
    • Move over to the right lane in good time, ensuring that no-one has to brake or alter course because of your actions
    • Indicate to signal the lane change if there is anyone to benefit from it
    • Cancel indicator, then re-apply to show clearly that you are turning right
    • Slow before turn, and use decel lane or refuge as necessary
    If you indicate that you are turning, it gives the following driver 'permission' to pass you on the left, so he/she is not impeded.


    I see this a lot on a stretch of DC near me (A40 between Carmarthen and St Clears in West Wales). It's a fast DC with a lot of right turns across the central reservation, and many local numpties get into the right lane a good mile before their turning, but only signal at the last minute. Often, they are doing 40 on an NSL road. It's very frustrating for following traffic, because you could be doing a legal 70 mph but are forced to choose between doing 40 behind Mrs Evans or overtaking her on the left and breaking the law (arguably).


    Timely lane changes and clear signalling eliminate the problem.
    Originally posted by Richard53
    Oh look, a logical post without an underlying accusatory tone. Well done, sir.
    • Richard53
    • By Richard53 9th Oct 16, 11:41 PM
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    I know, I'm completely in agreement with you.
    Originally posted by BeenThroughItAll
    Yes, I was supporting what you said. Sorry if it came across otherwise.
    If all misfortunes were laid in one common heap whence everyone must take an equal portion, most people would be contented to take their own and depart. (Attrib. to Socrates)
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 10th Oct 16, 2:11 AM
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    Possibly because we still live in a society where people - rightly - aren't required to prove their innocence and "you won't give a distance therefore you're obviously in the wrong" is pure witch-hunt logic?

    As for over confidence, surely moving over a little early (if he did), when he can do so without risking having to over-confidently force himself between other cars at the last minute, is a sensible precaution while gaining experience?

    I really do struggle to understand why so many people so aggressively condemn what they assume was lane hogging (with nothing but their own assumption to back that up) while condoning tailgating and light-flashing in the same sentence and suggesting it's the fault of the op rather than the tailgater.

    That's essentially the same mind-set that blames the rape victim for wearing a short skirt!
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    Come on now, where where where did I state that tailgating was justified in any situation?

    Hint: I didn't.
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