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    • jan barnes
    • By jan barnes 5th Oct 16, 1:46 PM
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    Debit Card Payment Taken Twice - What Are My Rights?
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    • 5th Oct 16, 1:46 PM
    Debit Card Payment Taken Twice - What Are My Rights? 5th Oct 16 at 1:46 PM
    Background - daughter had to have medical treatment whilst on holiday in Greece and paid by HSBC debit card approx £108 but has now received bank statement and the charge has been debited twice.

    She went to the HSBC branch nearest to her uni and was told she had to contact the Greek medical centre to ask for refund. She rang the medical centre and was told to email them which she has done. She has not heard anything from them in reply to the email

    Question - what can she do next? Doesn't the bank have a duty of care to customers to help in these situations?
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    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 5th Oct 16, 1:51 PM
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    • 5th Oct 16, 1:51 PM
    You may be able to do a chargeback. Contact the card provider again.

    How long ago did she email them?
    • naedanger
    • By naedanger 5th Oct 16, 1:57 PM
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    • 5th Oct 16, 1:57 PM
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    • 5th Oct 16, 1:57 PM
    Background - daughter had to have medical treatment whilst on holiday in Greece and paid by HSBC debit card approx £108 but has now received bank statement and the charge has been debited twice.

    She went to the HSBC branch nearest to her uni and was told she had to contact the Greek medical centre to ask for refund. She rang the medical centre and was told to email them which she has done. She has not heard anything from them in reply to the email

    Question - what can she do next? Doesn't the bank have a duty of care to customers to help in these situations?
    Originally posted by jan barnes
    If she only authorised one payment and the bank are unwilling to refund the other unauthorised payment then should submit a formal complaint to her bank. (Their website should explain how to complain. She should then follow their complaint process which will include the option to complain to the Financial Ombudsman Service if the bank do not resolve the matter to her satisfaction.)
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 6th Oct 16, 11:17 AM
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    • 6th Oct 16, 11:17 AM
    I presume you are certain that only a single payment was authorised?


    Is there any documentary evidence from the Greek medical centre regarding the treatment provided and their charges? (eg an invoice, debit card receipt etc)
    • jan barnes
    • By jan barnes 6th Oct 16, 12:01 PM
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    • 6th Oct 16, 12:01 PM
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    • 6th Oct 16, 12:01 PM
    she emailed them approx 2 weeks ago and again yesterday
    • jan barnes
    • By jan barnes 6th Oct 16, 12:01 PM
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    • 6th Oct 16, 12:01 PM
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    She has the receipt
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 6th Oct 16, 1:30 PM
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    She has the receipt
    Originally posted by jan barnes
    The problem is that the receipt ties up with one payment but doesn't prove that the duplicate payment wasn't also authorised and a second invoice issued. I'm not doubting what you say, but it's possible that the bank may make that argument, so if you can get any evidence that there was only one payment requested then that will greatly help your case.
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 6th Oct 16, 4:00 PM
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    The problem is that the receipt ties up with one payment but doesn't prove that the duplicate payment wasn't also authorised and a second invoice issued. I'm not doubting what you say, but it's possible that the bank may make that argument, so if you can get any evidence that there was only one payment requested then that will greatly help your case.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    Only its not up to the OP to prove it was unauthorised (because how can you prove something didnt happen?). Its supposed to be the banks that prove it was authorised as they are the ones who are only supposed to pay out payments you authorise.

    The banks obligations are to the account holder, not the payee.

    Your bank can only refuse a refund for an unauthorised payment if:

    it can prove you authorised the transaction – though your bank cannot simply say that use of your password, card and PIN conclusively proves you authorised a payment
    it can prove you are at fault because you acted fraudulently or because you deliberately, or with ‘gross negligence’, failed to protect the details of your card, PIN or password in a way that allowed the transaction
    you told your bank about an unauthorised payment 13 months or more after the date it left your account, so make sure you contact the bank as soon as possible
    https://www.fca.org.uk/consumers/unauthorised-payments-account
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    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 6th Oct 16, 9:33 PM
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    Only its not up to the OP to prove it was unauthorised (because how can you prove something didnt happen?). Its supposed to be the banks that prove it was authorised as they are the ones who are only supposed to pay out payments you authorise.

    The banks obligations are to the account holder, not the payee.



    https://www.fca.org.uk/consumers/unauthorised-payments-account
    Originally posted by unholyangel
    Yes, I agree, but if there is evidence of authorisation presented by the payee then the one receipt that the OP's daughter has does not counter that.
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 7th Oct 16, 2:35 AM
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    Yes, I agree, but if there is evidence of authorisation presented by the payee then the one receipt that the OP's daughter has does not counter that.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    Nor does it support it - after all, given the OP is saying the transaction is unauthorised, why would they have anything other than 1 receipt?

    My point was that if the bank do try any sort of argument along those lines that rather than pander to them by collecting evidence to try and prove something thats impossible to prove, they should remind the bank that its the banks place to prove that they have paid out in accordance with their contractual duties - ie that they will pay out on authorised payments and not allow unauthorised access to your money that they are making a profit from "safekeeping" for you.

    Especially since OP's version of events sounds incredibly more likely than the medical centre providing either a single course and undercharging by exactly 50% and getting OP (well her daughter but you know what I mean) to authorise the additional payment to correct it but not correcting the receipt. Or giving two courses of treatment at the same time but for some bizarre reason, invoicing and charging for them separately.
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    • jan barnes
    • By jan barnes 11th Oct 16, 4:04 PM
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    Many thanks for your information - Greek medical centre has finally refunded the money!
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