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    • One-Eye
    • By One-Eye 3rd Oct 16, 2:25 PM
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    MSE FAULT - Links open in current tab instead of a new tab - action required
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    • 3rd Oct 16, 2:25 PM
    MSE FAULT - Links open in current tab instead of a new tab - action required 3rd Oct 16 at 2:25 PM
    Since approx 11am this morning (03/10) if you (single left) click on a link in a forum post, the page opens in the CURRENT TAB instead of a NEW TAB.

    This applies to new posts only - posts created before 11am are still behaving correctly.

    This needs to revert back to normal ASAP.

    This is the exact same fault as happened in July 2015 - See THIS THREAD and THIS THREAD

    This (from July 2015) may give a clue as to what has been messed up:
    Some change they made has removed the target="_blank" attribute from posted links, which makes them open in a new window or tab by default.

    Hopefully they will put things back the way they were when they've had a chance for someone techie competent to take a look.
    Originally posted by fermi
    The MSE Techies should also note that correcting the problem for new posts will still leave any posts done from 11am 03/10 until the time the fault is corrected working incorrectly. I recall that in July 2015 a subsequent process was run to correct all the faulty links in posts made whilst the fault existed.

    In a nutshell:

    For this link: https://www.google.co.uk/

    The source code is:
    <a href = "https://www.google.co.uk/" rel= "nofollow">https://www.google.co.uk/</a>

    but it should be:
    <a href = "https://www.google.co.uk/" target="_blank" rel= "nofollow">https://www.google.co.uk/</a>


    Last edited by One-Eye; 05-10-2016 at 4:05 PM. Reason: adding useful info from the previous fault
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    • Mrs Arcanum
    • By Mrs Arcanum 6th Oct 16, 11:05 PM
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    Driving me crazy.
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    • Boom Boom
    • By Boom Boom 6th Oct 16, 11:30 PM
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    Can't understand what the delay is here. Very bad.
    • bodacious
    • By bodacious 7th Oct 16, 7:41 AM
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    Still no fix and not even as much as a comment or acknowledgement from MSE some 4 days after the problem was highlighted

    This forum is really going to the dogs nowadays as nobody at MSE seems to care about anything any more (other than chasing the dollar, of course). I wonder if Martin knows his 'baby' is slowly being trashed.
    • rugmaker
    • By rugmaker 7th Oct 16, 8:04 AM
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    I've tweeted, sent dms, used the feedback form and not a whisper. Rather undermines mses position in criticising other sites with faults.
    • Money maker
    • By Money maker 7th Oct 16, 8:06 AM
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    Maybe they've all left the building and the lights are out. Come on MSE, sort this out.
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    • Former MSE Jessica
    • By Former MSE Jessica 7th Oct 16, 11:23 AM
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    Hi there, thanks for your feedback and your patience. We've disabled links from opening in new tabs for security reasons. While we can't make any promises, we're looking into a fix that may still let you open in a new tab and keep you safe at the same time. Could we ask for your patience, again, while we investigate?

    Thanks
    • rugmaker
    • By rugmaker 7th Oct 16, 11:39 AM
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    Jessica

    Thanks for replying. I very much hope that you can find a way to restore the opening of links in new tabs as it is causing many of us problems as you can see from this thread.

    In the future when making a change of this sort it might be helpful to announce it ahead of time and/or reply reasonably promptly to queries about the change like this thread. It has felt very much like shouting into a vacuum this week.
    • MimiJane
    • By MimiJane 7th Oct 16, 2:02 PM
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    Thanks Jessica, but this really should have been addressed much sooner ...

    One word in the meantime ... arrgghhhhhhhhhhh!
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    • Biggles
    • By Biggles 7th Oct 16, 2:40 PM
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    We've disabled links from opening in new tabs for security reasons.
    Originally posted by MSE Jessica
    I speak from a position of ignorance but surely, if a link will take you to a new page or site, how is it any less safe if it's in a new tab as opposed to the existing one?
    • mattytun
    • By mattytun 7th Oct 16, 3:08 PM
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    Ok, I've downloaded an "Add-on" for Firefox called "open link in new tab" and at the moment its working ok.

    Here is the link https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/open-link-in-new-tab/

    Once you download it and restart your browser you will have to click on Tools>Add-ons>then look for the add-on you just downloaded>options>Then change the bar to how it is in the picture>ok

    When you are not using MSE, you can always disable the App then just enable again when you log back into MSE

    There are more Apps out there, but I've only had a play with this one for 20mins think it works on all browsers.

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    • redfox
    • By redfox 7th Oct 16, 3:56 PM
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    surely, if a link will take you to a new page or site, how is it any less safe if it's in a new tab as opposed to the existing one?
    Originally posted by Biggles
    Quite....and it isn't. The excuse we've been given would seem to be a smokescreen.

    It was as it was for years, and IMO there is no logical reason to change it, certainly not for 'safety'.
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    • pate-ci0
    • By pate-ci0 7th Oct 16, 5:24 PM
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    Here's an explanation of a security risk, to do with opening a link in a new tab, which may be the cause of the current situation:

    https://www.jitbit.com/alexblog/256-targetblank---the-most-underestimated-vulnerability-ever/
    • robbies_gal
    • By robbies_gal 7th Oct 16, 6:34 PM
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    thanks matty does it interfere with other sites/settings

    will give it a try
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    • moonshine
    • By moonshine 7th Oct 16, 8:03 PM
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    I still think it needs putting back to how it was. I'm sure the so called risk is minimal and as this (not opening a new tab/window) doesn't happen on other sites, I really can't see the need for such paranoia here.
    • 100mg
    • By 100mg 7th Oct 16, 11:07 PM
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    Ok, I've downloaded an "Add-on" for Firefox called "open link in new tab" and at the moment its working ok.
    Originally posted by mattytun
    Thanks for that. Works well. Right PITA before.
    As if target="_blank" is a security risk.

    I've been using target="_blank" for the past 25 years to stop users deviating from my websites when they click on a link. No complaints of security breaches so far.
    • One-Eye
    • By One-Eye 8th Oct 16, 10:34 AM
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    If target="_blank" is such a security risk then:

    1) Why do "Martin's Twitter" and "MSE's Twitter" and all the links therein on the RHS of the forum still use it a week after the change to the forum was implemented?

    2) Why have MSE not trawled through the forum and changed the links in every post created before 11am 03/10 to remove it?

    If you study the background on the theoretical vulnerability caused by target="_blank" then it is a massive overreaction to disable it. In security terms, if allowing members to post links on the forum is akin to walking down the middle of a motorway, then disabling target="_blank" is like only allowing you do it facing the oncoming traffic. It also appears to me that the theoretical vulnerability can be easily eliminated with a few lines of code so the usefulness of target="_blank" can be retained.
    • mattytun
    • By mattytun 9th Oct 16, 1:27 PM
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    thanks matty does it interfere with other sites/settings

    will give it a try
    Originally posted by robbies_gal
    No it is working ok at the moment.

    Ive only been using it on MSE so once i log out i just disable it
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    • Mista_C
    • By Mista_C 9th Oct 16, 2:06 PM
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    If you really must have links open in a new tab then for now you can use the old skool method of holding down CTRL while clicking the link.
    • rugmaker
    • By rugmaker 9th Oct 16, 3:01 PM
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    If you really must have links open in a new tab then for now you can use the old skool method of holding down CTRL while clicking the link.
    Originally posted by Mista_C
    There are various ways around it on a laptop or PC, but it's more dificult on a phone or tablet.

    It would also have been nice for MSE to tell us about the change in advance or at least respond promptly when it was reported as a fault. If the website for a bank or rail company had handled a change like this, they would doubtless have been panned for poor customer service.
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 9th Oct 16, 4:04 PM
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    Here's an explanation of a security risk, to do with opening a link in a new tab, which may be the cause of the current situation:

    https://www.jitbit.com/alexblog/256-targetblank---the-most-underestimated-vulnerability-ever/
    Originally posted by pate-ci0
    Riiiight... So a malicious site could cause the previously opened MSE tab to redirect to a fake/malware/phishing site...?

    Have I understood that right...?

    Surely that would be due to bad coding in the web browser...? Is that right? Does it affect all browsers?
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