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    • Airwulf
    • By Airwulf 1st Oct 16, 4:38 PM
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    VCS/BW Legel, Landlord Told Them To Cancel PCN
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    • 1st Oct 16, 4:38 PM
    VCS/BW Legel, Landlord Told Them To Cancel PCN 1st Oct 16 at 4:38 PM
    HIya

    Not sure where I stand with this after reading other threads about PCN's, so was doing a job for a local business and had geniune reason for parking where I did, along came the empolyee for VSC and issued a PCN. I actually had a disagreement stating that I had just cause for being their but he just said he had issued it and that I would have to contact his office

    Anyway, I spoke to the company I was their for who then contacted their landlord who contacted VCS and asked them to cancel it, a couple of weeks later a nice letter arrived so I went back to the company and asked the Landlord to tell them again to cancel the PCN. So I did nothing assuming it was cancelled. So now I have just received another letter from VCS stating they have handed this now over to BW Legal who now asking for 154 or face going to court over it (which I am willing to call their bluff if I have to).

    So my question is if the Landlord has instructed VCS to cancel the PCN should VCS honor this request, I have asked for the landlord to provide details of the communication to VCS so I can forward it to BW Legal (the landlord is quite annoyed with VCS over this).

    Any advise is much appreciated
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 1st Oct 16, 4:39 PM
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    Get proof in writing of this cancellation and send it to BW Legal with the usual sort of reply you will find all over this forum on all the other BW Legal threads.

    Also read here about CSA and SRA complaints about BW Legal and join that campaign, as well as sending a letter to your MP and to Mrs May about how horrendous this disgusting, greedy excuse for an 'industry' are, and how they are worse than clamping was, threatening to 'credit clamp' ordinary people for SIX YEARS regarding spurious ticketing.

    Use the phrase 'credit clamping' to explain the threat you are now fighting and how it is far worse than car clamping was.

    Tell your MP and Mrs May that the entire rotten lot are currently out of control.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 01-10-2016 at 4:42 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 1st Oct 16, 4:49 PM
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    • 1st Oct 16, 4:49 PM
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    • 1st Oct 16, 4:49 PM
    HIya

    Not sure where I stand with this after reading other threads about PCN's, so was doing a job for a local business and had geniune reason for parking where I did, along came the empolyee for VSC and issued a PCN. I actually had a disagreement stating that I had just cause for being their but he just said he had issued it and that I would have to contact his office

    Anyway, I spoke to the company I was their for who then contacted their landlord who contacted VCS and asked them to cancel it, a couple of weeks later a nice letter arrived so I went back to the company and asked the Landlord to tell them again to cancel the PCN. So I did nothing assuming it was cancelled. So now I have just received another letter from VCS stating they have handed this now over to BW Legal who now asking for 154 or face going to court over it (which I am willing to call their bluff if I have to).

    So my question is if the Landlord has instructed VCS to cancel the PCN should VCS honor this request, I have asked for the landlord to provide details of the communication to VCS so I can forward it to BW Legal (the landlord is quite annoyed with VCS over this).

    Any advise is much appreciated
    Originally posted by Airwulf
    So, do you have a letter from BWLegal ?

    If so what threats do they make.

    VCS are an ignorant lot so why not tell the landlord they have ignored him. You need to get written confirmation that the landlord instructed VCS to cancel and indeed you will need the landlord to attend court with you as witness.

    He needs to know that BWLegal are under investigation with the SRA, many posts on here about this.
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    • Airwulf
    • By Airwulf 1st Oct 16, 11:22 PM
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    • 1st Oct 16, 11:22 PM
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    • 1st Oct 16, 11:22 PM
    Hiya

    BW Legel states that I failed to pay VCS or appeal (which shouldnt of been nessasary due to the landlord instructing VCS to cancel). Basically they said they will start seeking legal proceedings if I dont pay 154.00 in the form of a County Court Claim Form.

    Surly this goes to Small Claims Court? I will be contacting the landlord directly tomorrow asking for the details of his instructions which the idiots at VCS failed to action, When I spoke to BW Legal they have asked for theses details, as I think if the landlord did ask twice for it to be cancelled then VCS/BW Legal dont have a leg to stand on.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 1st Oct 16, 11:43 PM
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    • 1st Oct 16, 11:43 PM
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    • 1st Oct 16, 11:43 PM
    Hiya

    BW Legel states that I failed to pay VCS or appeal (which shouldnt of been nessasary due to the landlord instructing VCS to cancel). Basically they said they will start seeking legal proceedings if I dont pay 154.00 in the form of a County Court Claim Form.

    Surly this goes to Small Claims Court? I will be contacting the landlord directly tomorrow asking for the details of his instructions which the idiots at VCS failed to action, When I spoke to BW Legal they have asked for theses details, as I think if the landlord did ask twice for it to be cancelled then VCS/BW Legal dont have a leg to stand on.
    Originally posted by Airwulf
    You are right but please understand that VCS and BWLEGAL are not interested, they just want your money ... the scam works using scare tactics.

    Difficult to understand what words these scammers don't understand.

    As long as you get this in writing from the landlord, if BWLegal ignore you as well, a judge will not take kindly to BWL.
    You of course can claim costs against BWLegal from the court.

    Do your bit, complain to the SRA and tell BWLegal you have done so.

    Don't worry, have fun destroying BWLegal, there are 100's before you

    This is a prime complaint to the SRA
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 2nd Oct 16, 12:04 AM
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    • 2nd Oct 16, 12:04 AM
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    • 2nd Oct 16, 12:04 AM
    I think if the landlord did ask twice for it to be cancelled then VCS/BW Legal dont have a leg to stand on.
    Originally posted by Airwulf
    Agreed - but that won't stop them.

    Your actions now need to stop them, so start reading the zillions of other BW Legal threads and start complaining and responding robustly to see this off once and for all.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Grimble
    • By Grimble 2nd Oct 16, 10:28 AM
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    • 2nd Oct 16, 10:28 AM
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    • 2nd Oct 16, 10:28 AM
    Stop using the phone, everything in writing, how do you show a judge a phone call?
    • Airwulf
    • By Airwulf 3rd Oct 16, 12:36 AM
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    • 3rd Oct 16, 12:36 AM
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    • 3rd Oct 16, 12:36 AM
    Thanks Grimble, wont be calling them again and I declined to give them my number interesting that they prefer you to use their portal (which I aint doing as I don't trust them!!)
    • Airwulf
    • By Airwulf 3rd Oct 16, 7:07 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 16, 7:07 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 16, 7:07 PM
    Well make some progress with this, contacted landlord who has now emailed VCS again instructing them to cancel the ticket immediately (whcih i now have a copy as well as the previous requests). Will see if they respond, pretty dirty tactics to ignore the landlords instructions and attempt to obtain money by deception along with BW Legal
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 3rd Oct 16, 7:19 PM
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    Well make some progress with this, contacted landlord who has now emailed VCS again instructing them to cancel the ticket immediately (whcih i now have a copy as well as the previous requests). Will see if they respond, pretty dirty tactics to ignore the landlords instructions and attempt to obtain money by deception along with BW Legal
    Originally posted by Airwulf

    If you get anything more from the scammers, you need to send a further complaint to the SRA and CRA. You did send a complaint after you received the original PCN didn't you?
    They can't add on 54 quid, and they know it, so that should immediately generate complaints.
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    • Airwulf
    • By Airwulf 3rd Oct 16, 7:35 PM
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    Yeap damn right I am gonna complain, Also considering further action in regards to the fact they had been told two previous times to cancel by the lawfully by their client the landlord but still escalated it to BW Legal, which in my view could be classed as attempted obtaining money by deception which is borderline being a criminal act.
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 3rd Oct 16, 7:41 PM
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    I may have skim read this, but have you got written confirmation from the landlord regarding the cancellation?
    this important question appears to have gone un-answered lost in a so and so phoned so and so.
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 3rd Oct 16, 7:43 PM
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    Well make some progress with this, contacted landlord who has now emailed VCS again instructing them to cancel the ticket immediately (whcih i now have a copy as well as the previous requests). Will see if they respond, pretty dirty tactics to ignore the landlords instructions and attempt to obtain money by deception along with BW Legal
    Originally posted by Airwulf
    Well done, you now have it in writing.
    The landlord is the boss not the stupid VCS and BWlegal

    Just for your safety, tell BWlegal in writing that this will be cancelled by VCS
    No need to give them a copy from the landlord, let them work it out.
    Maybe then BWLegal will invoice VCS and send them stupid letters.

    Any more rubbish from BWLegal will demand yet another severe complaint to the SRA.

    This is just like "Jungle book" with all the monkeys swinging around in the trees
    Last edited by beamerguy; 03-10-2016 at 7:48 PM.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 3rd Oct 16, 9:05 PM
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    Yeap damn right I am gonna complain, Also considering further action in regards to the fact they had been told two previous times to cancel by the lawfully by their client the landlord but still escalated it to BW Legal, which in my view could be classed as attempted obtaining money by deception which is borderline being a criminal act.
    Originally posted by Airwulf
    Have you seen this thread - we need formal complaints NOW to M.P.s and Mrs May, while the Government's ear is apparently listening:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5524754&page=6

    Please take an hour or so out this week, to write about this pathetic harassment and attempt to 'credit clamp' your finances, to Mrs May and your MP.

    As well as complaining to the CRA and SRA about BW Legal's misleading letters and awful business practice.

    There is a SRA complaint here, modified by me, posting there as SchoolRunMum (I didn't write it though, hat tip to a legally-qualified contact and occasional poster who knows the score re PPCs):

    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=107836

    CSA and SRA complaints on this thread:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5490266

    Obviously, make sure anything you send is applicable to your own case and your own letters and if you wish to write your own, do so.

    Fight back!

    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • AirWulf
    • By AirWulf 16th Oct 16, 11:15 AM
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    Well just to update this, contacted the landlord who has now sent me copied of the requests to cancel the PCN 3 times (he as really helpful). I have emailed BW Legal twice with no reply in the last 2 weeks since sending them. They put a disclaimer about response times which is pathetic, as I wont call them or use their website as I stated all communication is only accepted by letter or email (sorry dont trust theses idiots). So I am now just going to dare them take this to court now, but VCS as also just as bad as no communication has come from them either.

    But now i have written evidence dont think theses fools have a leg to stand on if they push it to court
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 16th Oct 16, 11:23 AM
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    Well just to update this, contacted the landlord who has now sent me copied of the requests to cancel the PCN 3 times (he as really helpful). I have emailed BW Legal twice with no reply in the last 2 weeks since sending them. They put a disclaimer about response times which is pathetic, as I wont call them or use their website as I stated all communication is only accepted by letter or email (sorry dont trust theses idiots). So I am now just going to dare them take this to court now, but VCS as also just as bad as no communication has come from them either.

    But now i have written evidence dont think theses fools have a leg to stand on if they push it to court
    Originally posted by AirWulf
    Perfect, it is likely that BWLegal will ignore you again.

    I wonder what they think they can win on in court

    However if you complain again TO the SRA about BWLEGAL and their activities, its another letter to show in court.
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    • AirWulf
    • By AirWulf 16th Oct 16, 11:48 AM
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    Well if they did push this to court then they will lose and of course they be liable for my costs, Im pretty relaxed about this now and I am dying to call their bluff

    The landlord is VCS customer so he is pretty annoyed with them (if you seen his final email).

    So a complaint will be going into the SRA for the 54 charge and lack of communication or/an being ignored
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 16th Oct 16, 11:54 AM
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    As BG says, complain to the SRA as that extra 54 is ultra vires, . they know it but they persist in what can only be described as fraud.

    They are already under investigation by the SRA and every additional complaint drives another nail in the coffin.

    Write to Duncan Allen, here.

    http://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/problems/report-solicitor.page
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 16th Oct 16, 12:30 PM
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    As well as contacting the SRA , as well as all other parties ( such as the prime minister etc) The OP shold also contact VCs demanding that they cease all communications, and remove all personal data, or issue court proceedings immediately, which will be robustly challenged with a full costs claim made against Simon Rensahw-Smiths VCS for their unreasonable actions
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • AirWulf
    • By AirWulf 22nd Oct 16, 1:32 PM
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    As well as contacting the SRA , as well as all other parties ( such as the prime minister etc) The OP shold also contact VCs demanding that they cease all communications, and remove all personal data, or issue court proceedings immediately, which will be robustly challenged with a full costs claim made against Simon Rensahw-Smiths VCS for their unreasonable actions
    Originally posted by Half_way
    Well looks like BW Legal & VCS stilll not cancelled this, and BW Legal are saying, As I had no valid permit then its still outstanding and regardless of how many times the Land Lord or Freeholder requests it to be cancelled BW Legal wont cancel it".

    So can they still chase this regardless of what the landowner says?

    Another point is that their is a take away as well where the customerss park in the same area and on many occasions the VCS mobile patrol does not issue tickets so could I also argue that I am being unfairly treated as well?
    Last edited by AirWulf; 22-10-2016 at 1:44 PM.
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