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    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 30th Sep 16, 11:12 AM
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    Some lorries could be banned from London because of danger to cyclists.
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    • 30th Sep 16, 11:12 AM
    Some lorries could be banned from London because of danger to cyclists. 30th Sep 16 at 11:12 AM
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37515940

    could get interesting.
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    • ska lover
    • By ska lover 8th Oct 16, 2:12 PM
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    Lets just ban people
    Last edited by ska lover; 08-10-2016 at 5:51 PM.
    Blah blah blah.
    • Rosemary7391
    • By Rosemary7391 8th Oct 16, 6:49 PM
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    Instead of painting cycle paths at the side of the road, why not put them in the middle of each lane? Then the cars can see that cyclists are supposed to be there. Not for major A roads, but little city roads where no one is going fast anyway it could work. Maybe need to lower the speed limit so motorists don't get frustrated at being "stuck" behind cyclists?
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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 8th Oct 16, 8:09 PM
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    If we had some police on the roads there could be a chance to get the dangerous and repeat offenders off the road. But when you can accumulate 40 points and still drive away from the court its a joke.9

    On a dual 40mph carriageway the otherday when a car shot past approx 60 - 70mph. Slams their brakes on and cuts into the left hand lane between a couple of cars which caused chaos then as everyone had to brake sharply for the speeding idiot to turn left into the industrial estate.

    Thats the sort who will kill someone, no matter what they drive.
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    Theres idiots who do that when on the motorway, still dont understand the logic in it.
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    • boliston
    • By boliston 8th Oct 16, 8:38 PM
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    Banning all motor vehicles would "solve the whole problem" too.
    Originally posted by esuhl
    Lets just ban all forms of transport - no walking, no cycling, no driving - no more deaths!
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 8th Oct 16, 9:33 PM
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    Lets just ban all forms of transport - no walking, no cycling, no driving - no more deaths!
    Originally posted by boliston
    When you think about it the issue does seem to be cyclists.

    Remove cyclists and they wont be there to be put at risk and pedestrians are not at risk from cyclists also.


    WIN WIN???


    Ban lorries and pedestrians can still get injured from cyclists. Figures all seem to be manipulated to make veichles or cylists to be the baddies depending on the site. I wonder what the true figures are?
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    • boliston
    • By boliston 8th Oct 16, 9:38 PM
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    When you think about it the issue does seem to be cyclists.

    Remove cyclists and they wont be there to be put at risk and pedestrians are not at risk from cyclists also.


    WIN WIN???


    Ban lorries and pedestrians can still get injured from cyclists. Figures all seem to be manipulated to make veichles or cylists to be the baddies depending on the site. I wonder what the true figures are?
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    Removing cyclists would be almost as difficult as removing pedestrians as no licence is required to ride a bike.

    It would be like trying to ban skateboarding or banning roller skates.
    • ska lover
    • By ska lover 8th Oct 16, 10:44 PM
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    Lets ban banning
    Blah blah blah.
    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 8th Oct 16, 10:49 PM
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    Removing cyclists would be almost as difficult as removing pedestrians as no licence is required to ride a bike.

    It would be like trying to ban skateboarding or banning roller skates.
    Originally posted by boliston
    Hmm, interesting point. Where I live (by the sea-side), we get a lot of skate boarders who (er,) skate in the road. Some even do so at night! Can anyone enlighten me as to the legalities of this? Looking at the HC, there are no rules covering skateboards. Plus skateboards have no steering, brakes or lights so are they road legal?
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    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 8th Oct 16, 10:54 PM
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    An example of cyclists giving cyclists a bad rep... even with pedestrians. Point is that SOME cyclists maybe the ones who put themselves in conflict with HGVs as they appear to be unable to abide by a simple rule such as the one at Tower Bridge.

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/police-making-killing-fining-cyclists-fail-dismount-closed-tower-bridge-288823
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    • boliston
    • By boliston 8th Oct 16, 11:00 PM
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    Hmm, interesting point. Where I live (by the sea-side), we get a lot of skate boarders who (er,) skate in the road. Some even do so at night! Can anyone enlighten me as to the legalities of this? Looking at the HC, there are no rules covering skateboards. Plus skateboards have no steering, brakes or lights so are they road legal?
    Originally posted by Tilt
    Pedestrians can legally walk in the road without steering, brakes or lights - are they road legal?
    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 8th Oct 16, 11:04 PM
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    Pedestrians can legally walk in the road without steering, brakes or lights - are they road legal?
    Originally posted by boliston
    True although they tend not to be travelling at around 20 mph! And where I live (by the sea-side), they tend not to walk in the road, especially the busy one along the sea front (where the skate borders sometimes skate).

    Anyway, my question still stands.
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    • Nasqueron
    • By Nasqueron 8th Oct 16, 11:12 PM
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    When you think about it the issue does seem to be cyclists.

    Remove cyclists and they wont be there to be put at risk and pedestrians are not at risk from cyclists also.


    WIN WIN???


    Ban lorries and pedestrians can still get injured from cyclists. Figures all seem to be manipulated to make veichles or cylists to be the baddies depending on the site. I wonder what the true figures are?
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    Last lot of data I saw from RoSPA suggested an average of about 1 pedestrian every 2 years is killed by a bike, cars kill hundreds, if not thousands
    • vikingaero
    • By vikingaero 9th Oct 16, 9:25 AM
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    I don't see a problem with urban lorries having higher visibility levels. It's positive action that will help all road users from pedestrians to car drivers. And it's not an overnight ban and can easily be achieved by firms when they defleet. Even if you can't defleet you can fit doors with bottom glass panels.

    I do however wish cyclists would do more in helping with safety on urban streets by losing the militancy in protesting over signs which said "Do not pass this vehicle on the inside" because they didn't like the "Do not" part of the instruction. Fact is, if the signs said "Do not" then far more cyclists would be alive.
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    • brat
    • By brat 9th Oct 16, 9:34 AM
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    Last lot of data I saw from RoSPA suggested an average of about 1 pedestrian every 2 years is killed by a bike, cars kill hundreds, if not thousands
    Originally posted by Nasqueron

    ...which is why police will always put more time and effort (scarce resources permitting) to deal with those who have the potential to cause most harm.
    Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 9th Oct 16, 3:32 PM
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    Buses are a similar size to non articulated HGVs but the drivers sit lower and have much better visibility. How does their accident rate compare to HGVs?
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    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 9th Oct 16, 4:32 PM
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    I do however wish cyclists would do more in helping with safety on urban streets by losing the militancy in protesting over signs which said "Do not pass this vehicle on the inside" because they didn't like the "Do not" part of the instruction. Fact is, if the signs said "Do not" then far more cyclists would be alive.
    Originally posted by vikingaero
    It's not really appropriate for militant-minded motorists to put up signs telling other road users what to do. Risky behaviour on the road should be prohibited by law, not militant signs.
    • brat
    • By brat 9th Oct 16, 7:34 PM
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    Buses are a similar size to non articulated HGVs but the drivers sit lower and have much better visibility. How does their accident rate compare to HGVs?
    Originally posted by Norman Castle
    I'd hope it would be better, but I don't know. The stats would be very difficult to separate.
    Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.
    • Cloudydaze
    • By Cloudydaze 9th Oct 16, 8:19 PM
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    Buses are a similar size to non articulated HGVs but the drivers sit lower and have much better visibility. How does their accident rate compare to HGVs?
    Originally posted by Norman Castle
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u_ecCdoiWOw


    You could put some 'professional' drivers in a glass box and they still wouldn't see a cyclist.
    • Nasqueron
    • By Nasqueron 9th Oct 16, 8:38 PM
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    Cycling up the inside of lorries / buses when they're moving, **** that

    I wait or go around the right, silly sign on the lorry or not
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