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    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 24th Sep 16, 8:53 PM
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    Advice please on a SIP ticket.
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    • 24th Sep 16, 8:53 PM
    Advice please on a SIP ticket. 24th Sep 16 at 8:53 PM
    I have done my homework and read the various posts but can't find something quite like my problem. So please excuse me if there is.

    Last April the company I work for hired a car for me for the day.

    I parked in a SIP car park in it.

    I paid the fee but the machine spat it out.
    There was a notice on the screen of the machine that said sorry out of order. (I took a picture of this)
    I left a message on the screen of my car giving my contact details and stating the machine was out of order (I have pictures).
    I went to the office and about 20 mins later I went back to the car to find a sticker on the screen.
    I tried the number they gave on the ticket to ring but couldn't get through.
    The machine was now working so I purchased a ticket.
    On leaving the car park I tried the number again and this time spoke to a person that basically told me to send it in writing.
    I sent the details in writing confirming I was the driver and all the other details (I know silly move).
    They sent back and said it doesn't matter the machine was out of order it clearly states on the sign that if the machine is out of order then you have to ring a mobile number and pay over the phone.
    I had picture of their sign and it didn't say anything of the sort. A further investigation showed that there was a red sticker on the actual machine stating it was the drivers responsibility to ensure payment was made before leaving the car park.. and to ring a number if the machine wasn't working.
    I replied to SIP stating that I had read the signs and it didn't say anything about ringing. If they had another sign in the car park then I didn't see it and therefore was it up to the specification as detailed by POPLA in terms of sizes etc.
    I also stated that they say the sign says I have to pay before leaving the car park..which I had also done.. by getting the ticket on my next visit...

    I've heard nothing officially since.
    I say officially as I've just now been made aware of a letter sent to work from Gladstones solicitors talking of court cases concerning the date and time and car park of my parking but addressed to another employee of my firm which has absolutely nothing to do with any of it..

    My company say the hire company has been contacted as the registered keepers and they had contacted my company..

    I thought the DVLA rules for giving out RK details was if and only if the driver could not be identified ...is this not true ? And if so as I identified myself on the first day they shouldn't have even asked for the RK details.

    What do I do ??? I haven't been in the loop at all from (me appealing and thinking it had been accepted) to some other poor chap being taken to court ???

    I shall ask the other gent to contact Gladstones and inform them he had nothing to do with it. I have clearer stated I was the driver in writing to the car park company and it was never my intention not to pay for the parking indeed had they put the information actually on the proper signage of the car park then I would have rang it and paid over the phone. I can absolutely and honestly say I didn't see this sticker. But if I had I would have been a little skeptical about ringing it and handing over card details etc..

    My feeling is they have done it deliberately to scam more money out of innocent folk...

    Sorry for the longish post and I hope some of you learned folks will be able to offer me some advice as I'm not sure what else to do..

    Thank you...
    Last edited by Perfo; 04-03-2017 at 1:48 PM.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 24th Sep 16, 9:07 PM
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    • 24th Sep 16, 9:07 PM
    I tried the number they gave on the ticket to ring but couldn't get through.
    The machine was now working so I purchased a ticket.
    On leaving the car park I tried the number again and this time spoke to a person that basically told me to send it in writing.
    I sent the details in writing confirming I was the driver and all the other details (I know silly move).
    They sent back and said it doesn't matter the machine was out of order it clearly states on the sign that if the machine is out of order then you have to ring a mobile number and pay over the phone.
    I had picture of their sign and it didn't say anything of the sort.
    So you admitted you were driving but Gladstones have written to the company again?

    I saw officially as I've just now been given a letter from Gladstones solicitors talking of court cases by address to another employee of my firm which has absolutely nothing to do with any of it..
    My company say the hire company has been contacted as the registered keepers and they had contacted my company..

    I thought the DVLA rules for giving out RK details was if and only if the driver could not be identified ...is this not true ?
    It is true, if you gave them your name and address (not just email) so did you give the PPC your name and address? If so then the company (the other 'gent') has good reason to complain to the DVLA and Information Commissioner immediately, about misuse of his data.

    I shall ask the other gent to contact Gladstones and inform them he had nothing to do with it and I'm inclined to ask him not to tell them whom was as that's not his concern. I have clearer stated I was the driver in writing to the car park company and it was never my intention not to pay for the parking...
    Maybe he is the contact that the lease firm have, so the lease firm passed his name on when THEY got a letter?

    I would get the 'other gent' to complain to the DVLA by email and the ICO.

    The difficulty for you is, this is your employer so you may well be best to let them also name you as the keeper of the vehicle around that time (not saying who was driving). Otherwise, your employer might just pay it and then ask you to cover it, or they might get sued and blame you.
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    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 27th Sep 16, 11:55 PM
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    • 27th Sep 16, 11:55 PM
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    • 27th Sep 16, 11:55 PM
    I admitted I was the driver on the phone and in writing the day after the alleged offence...

    I've told my employer the details so they know who the driver is. I've also told them I wouldn't be paying as I've made an appeal with what I thought was a clear reason why I should not have received the ticket and heard nothing back.

    I'm not sure why the hire company would have the other gent's name as he's only an employee like me and nothing to do with hiring vehicles etc..
    I will get him to reply to Gladstones basically stating he had nothing to do with the alleged incident.

    Is there anything else I should / could do ?
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 28th Sep 16, 10:42 AM
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    • 28th Sep 16, 10:42 AM
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    • 28th Sep 16, 10:42 AM
    Is there any way that you or your company can turn this into a complaint against the solicitors?


    They are already under investigation by their regulatory authority, and one more cannot do any harm. Write to Duncan Allen here:


    http://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/problems/report-solicitor.page
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 14th Oct 16, 9:14 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 9:14 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 9:14 PM
    The other fellow has replied to Gladstones stating he wasn't the driver nor the keeper during the period mentioned and not to contact him again. He did this within the allotted period Glads gave him and heard nothing since..
    The DVLA have definitely been duped in to giving details and possibly Glads could be called in to disrepute but like everyone else as long as this goes away then we'd all be happy.
    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 4th Mar 17, 1:43 PM
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    It hasn't gone away unfortunately and now I have a court appearance in April. The court offered mediation to which I agreed but Gladstones have refused. The court has asked me for all my paperwork that I wan't to use in court. So really I could do with whatever help I can get.
    I would rather pay £200 to successfully defend my self than £150 in a fine. I know it sounds illogical but I've just been so incensed by their total unwillingness to be reasonable.
    Help!!!
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    • By Fruitcake 4th Mar 17, 2:20 PM
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    • 4th Mar 17, 2:20 PM
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    • 4th Mar 17, 2:20 PM
    It hasn't gone away unfortunately and now I have a court appearance in April. The court offered mediation to which I agreed but Gladstones have refused. The court has asked me for all my paperwork that I wan't to use in court. So really I could do with whatever help I can get.
    I would rather pay £200 to successfully defend my self than £150 in a fine. I know it sounds illogical but I've just been so incensed by their total unwillingness to be reasonable.
    Help!!!
    Originally posted by Perfo
    Mediation is not advisable, so it's a good job gladrags refused. They want the full amount, you want to pay nowt. There is no mediating that.

    It is not a fine.

    There is a link by bargepole in the NEWBIES thread to the correct court process you need to follow. It tells you how and when to acknowledge the claim and state you will defend, and NOT to put ANYTHING in the defence text box, not even a full stop.
    It also tells you how to answer questions, for example no to mediation, no to a hearing on papers, yes to your local court, when and how to submit witness statements.
    Do not fill in any questionnaire from gladrags, only from the court (but send a copy to gladrags). They guide tells you when to do this as well so it is essential reading for anyone defending a parking scam in court.
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    • By Coupon-mad 4th Mar 17, 6:38 PM
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    It hasn't gone away unfortunately and now I have a court appearance in April. The court offered mediation to which I agreed but Gladstones have refused.

    The court has asked me for all my paperwork that I wan't to use in court. So really I could do with whatever help I can get.
    Originally posted by Perfo
    This stage is already covered in the NEWBIES thread. Witness statement and evidence (and skeleton argument) stage. Also search the forum for these keywords: 'witness skeleton' to find recent threads at this exact stage and what they wrote and supplied as evidence.

    Show us your WS and evidence you intend to rely on. Have you got good photos proving their signs didn't give a phone number, only the P&D ticket (have you still got that too, to prove you paid the tariff as soon as you were able)?

    I paid the fee but the machine spat it out.
    There was a notice on the screen of the machine that said sorry out of order. (I took a picture of this)
    I left a message on the screen of my car giving my contact details and stating the machine was out of order (I have pictures).
    I went to the office and about 20 mins later I went back to the car to find a sticker on the screen.
    I tried the number they gave on the ticket to ring but couldn't get through.
    The machine was now working so I purchased a ticket.
    Is the claim in your name - not addressed to the company? What did you put in the defence box or on MCOL, as your actual defence before Christmas? Show us.
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    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 5th Mar 17, 2:36 PM
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    OK I'm reading everything I can find so I'll dig out the newbie one...

    Claim in my name...
    Yes very good pictures of
    out of use machine stating out of use ...
    Sign post above the machine not including alternative numbers
    I still have the ticket..

    Off to re read all the witness stuff then before working out a WS
    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 11th Mar 17, 4:41 PM
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    https://1drv.ms/a/s!AkVprrKFce7ag6V0WFfAsMKLLZDaIA

    Sorry I'm not sure what the best way of sharing pictures on here is..
    Hopefully anyone clicking the above link will be able to see the following
    The SIP contractual notice
    The Red sticker on the machine
    A picture of the machine displaying out of order
    A picture of my notice on the screen of my car
    A picture of the paid ticket
    A picture of the PCN (in two parts)
    N180 form (2 pages)
    SmallClaimsForm (2 Pages)
    Last edited by Perfo; 11-03-2017 at 5:09 PM.
    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 11th Mar 17, 5:24 PM
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    Ok on to WS.
    I have (as per the other threads) been inundated with my daughters parking tickets. She has now sorted them out but I'm left a bit confused what I've done and whom I've written to.

    The bit about not writing a half baked defense may have already happened. as I have received and filled in the n180 can I check somewhere what I've submitted already? In the next post I've included a rationale I sent to the HMMoneyClaim. I informed SIP that I would charge for further correspondence and have put in a counter claim so as part of this court hearing I got sent a thing to fill in on line explaining why I though I deserved a counter claim.

    After reading so much stuff that I now feel my fuddled than when I started :-) I can see why these bully boy tactics work. If it wasn't for my belligerent nature I would have given up long ago even though I know I'm in the right... Still fight to the death now.

    I'm tending towards the excellent defense as put forwards by BargePole and the out of service machine. Between PCN(NW) LTD and someone

    I think a lot if not all the points apply to me in that SIP are a member of IPC. Is the information about the two directors still running the IAS ?

    I shall add a version of my defence in another post.. However does it matter if Glads read these posts (as I'm sure they will) .
    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 11th Mar 17, 5:24 PM
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    Reply sent to HM money claim thing

    The pay and display machine was out of order. I read the notices
    posted in the car park and no alternative method of payment was
    offered. I spoke to a parking attendant at the car park
    and though he explained he wasn't responsible for this car park he
    advised it would be OK to park there and sort it out later due to
    the machine being out of service. As I was in the building
    adjacent to the car park and under time pressure I took
    photographs of the signs and out of service machine. I left a
    large (A4) notice on the dash board of my car stating my contact
    details, my location and the reason why I hadn't got a ticket and
    I would be back in a few minutes. I got in to the office arrange
    the people that were waiting for me and returned to the car
    prepared to sort out the.
    The machine was now working so I purchased a ticket.
    I purchased a ticket that was way in excess of the time I would be
    parking there to ensure there would be no financial loss to the
    owners. However I still had a ticket stuck on my screen over the
    notice that I'd left. My suspicions are the Parking attendant I
    spoke to was indeed the one for this car park and waited until
    I'd left to apply the ticket. I rang the owner and explained what
    had happened and they stated I'd have to do it in writing, which I
    did the next day. They disputed my reasons and stated there were
    details of what to do if the machine was out of service on the
    signs. I disputed this as I had pictures of the signs and it
    didn't state anything of the sort. If there was a sign elsewhere
    then it did not comply with the BCP requirements as I didn’t see
    it and I made a point of looking and reading the signs available.
    I have since found out the only sign referencing alternative
    payments is a red sticker on the machine itself. It looks like
    a small red stripe i.e. part of the look of the machine but if
    you look carefully there is white very small print writing on it.
    This in itself is an unwise thing to do as anyone can put
    stickers anywhere and say ring this number with your credit card.
    However I maintain the contractual side of the parking was
    displayed on the bona fide signs and this sticker was not seen
    and is not relevant. After my appeal I heard nothing from SIP
    since April and thus I assumed my appeal had been successful. I
    then get contacted in November out of the blue by a legal team
    threatening court action. I have since found out that contrary to
    the regulation concerning getting registered keeper details from
    the DVLA that though SIP had written proof from me that I was the
    driver they still (underhandedly) requested the RK details from
    the DVLA. As the car was a hire car SIP then went after the hire
    company then the firm I work for and then for no apparent reason
    issued a noticed before court to another employee of the company
    that had nothing to do with it. I believe that complaints are
    going to be issued to the DVLA for falsely acquiring RK details
    and the employee of the company that was randomly targeted is
    also writing to the solicitor’s regulation authority.

    I therefore state I have already paid for the parking so there is
    no financial loss to the owner and I did everything reasonable on
    the day to ensure there was no loss.
    For the machine to be repaired and a ticket issued so quickly
    after my leaving the car park It was either a large coincidence or
    possible part of a regular con to bully money out of the public.
    This is a small car park with perhaps 7 to 10 parking spaces so
    can't be a very high earning site under normal circumstances.
    By design the owners know very few people are going to see their
    stickers. SIP’s unscrupulous behaviour including how the ticket was
    issued and subsequent false representation to DVLA and harassment
    of others has already caused enough distress.
    My final point is since April my reasonable expectations are the
    case was closed, in the very least it was still in appeal and
    thus the amount being requested should be the original fee not
    some inflated £232.86.
    On top of this the monies I paid for the ticket to cover this
    parking has been accepted by SIP. I haven't had a refund and thus
    assume it was accepted to cover the parking.


    Reasons for counter claim…
    I am making a claim as the actual cost of parking and thus the gain loss of the owners has already been paid on the day. The company have accepted my payment and therefore cannot (in my opinion) claim again for the same loss.
    The owners have employed underhanded methods to try and extract further money from me and for me to defend the claims I have to spend considerable time and effort. I believe it is only correct for me to claim for this time and effort (not to mention the stress) and thus I put in a claim for £100.
    I claim the £25 court costs as I wouldn't have to apply to court if SIP had acted reasonably.
    Therefore £125.00 is a reasonable and true cost to me following the actions of SIP.
    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 11th Mar 17, 6:09 PM
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    IN THE COUNTY COURT

    Claim No.: D

    Between

    SIP PARKING LTD
    (Claimant)

    -and-


    Joe Blog
    (Defendant)

    __________________________________________________ _________________________

    DEFENCE STATEMENT
    __________________________________________________ _________________________


    I assert that I am not liable to the Claimant for the sum claimed, or any amount at all, for the following reasons:

    1. I was the driver of the vehicle in question, no. XXXXX. The Claim relates to an alleged debt arising from the vehicle having been parked adjacent to XXX , on XX/XX/2016.

    2. The rate charge for parking for the time I was expecting to be there is £5.00. I have always paid for parking on every occasion when it was possible to do so. However, after performing some research I discover that this ticket machine is subject to frequent malfunctions, in that it either will not accept coins, or it accepts payment but does not issue a ticket. On all such occasions, where I have been unable to pay for parking I have left a note prominently displayed inside the windscreen, and returned to the vehicle as soon as possible to pay the parking tariff.

    3. On the material date, The machine stated it was out of service on the display. I noticed this after putting in coins and the coins being rejected, and as usual left a clear note inside the windscreen advising the Claimant’s operative of this fact. However, when I returned at lunchtime, a Parking Charge Notice, suggesting a penalty of £100 was payable by the driver, had been stuck on the windscreen, right in front of my note.

    4. Following an unsuccessful appeal to the Claimant, I researched the matter online, and discovered that the Claimant is a member of the Independent Parking Committee (IPC), an organisation operated by Gladstones Solicitors. They also operate the Independent Appeals Service (IAS), the allegedly independent body appointed by the Claimant’s trade body, the IPC. My research revealed that the IAS, far from being independent, is a subsidiary of the IPC, which in turn is owned and run by the same two Directors who also run Gladstones Solicitors.. The individuals in question are John Davies, and William Hurley. Such an incestuous relationship is incapable of providing any fair means for motorists to challenge parking charges, as well as potentially breaching the SRA Code of Conduct. As such, the Claimant does not come to this matter with clean hands.

    5. I submit that the alleged contract, created by the Claimant’s signage, is voidable under the Law Reform (Frustrated Contracts) Act 1943, and as held in Nicholl and Knight v Ashton, Eldridge & Co [1901] 2 KB 126, for the reason that it became impossible for me to insert coins into the machine through no fault of mine, and over which I had no control. In the alternative, in Jolley v Carmel Ltd [2000] 2 EGLR 154, it was held that a party who makes ‘reasonable endeavours’ to comply with contractual terms, should not be penalised for breach when unable to fully comply with the terms.


    6. In order to issue parking charges, and to pursue unpaid charges via litigation, the Claimant is required to have the written authority of the landowner, on whose behalf they are acting as an agent. No evidence of such authority has been supplied by the Claimant or their legal representatives, and the Claimant is put to strict proof of same, in the form of an unredacted and contemporaneous contract, or chain of authority, from the landowner to the Claimant.

    7. In addition to the original ‘parking charge’, believed to be £100, for which liability is denied, the Claimant’s legal representatives, GS Solicitors, have artificially inflated the value of the Claim by adding various costs, which I submit have not actually been incurred by the Claimant, and which are artificially invented figures in an attempt to circumvent the Small Claims costs rules using double recovery. The Court is invited to report CSB to the Solicitors’ Regulation Authority for this deliberate attempt to mislead the Court, in contravention of their Code of Conduct.


    8. The Court is invited to dismiss the Claim, and to allow such Defendant’s costs as are permissible under Civil Procedure Rule 27.14.


    I believe the facts stated in this Defence Statement are true.





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    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 11th Mar 17, 6:16 PM
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    Interestingly enough... If you look at the red sticker (which I didn't see at the time) then it states it is the drivers responsibility to pay for parking before leaving the car park which I did. I don't enter in to the contract until I drive my car in to the car park therefore it must follow I don't 'leave' the car park until I've driven the car out. At least on the contractual signs it implies you pay for parking when you park until you leave and that is the car leaves not the person.
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    • By Coupon-mad 12th Mar 17, 5:20 PM
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    Your post 12 is your defence; you can't now send another one if you submitted that online via MCOL. And I don't think a counter-claim is a good idea, we don't suggest people do this because it is also half-baked:
    I have put in a counter claim so as part of this court hearing I got sent a thing to fill in on line explaining why I though I deserved a counter claim.
    If you haven't yet paid the £25 fee to counter-claim I would not, same as here, stop muddling yourself and concentrate on winning this case:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=72221635#post72221635

    BTW the case about the broken machine was a rare loss on here...just so you are aware it is not a silver bullet. Can work with some Judges but not others. So it seems to me you have already defended on MCOL, and must await the next stages as set out by bargepole in the links in post #2 of the NEWBIES thread. DW, then later, WS and evidence (which IS when you can expand on that defence).
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    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 12th Mar 17, 7:04 PM
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    I of course hope I never end up in this situation again , but needless to say I'm now a little wiser and would do more homework before firing off responses.
    Thanks for the reply Coupon-Mad. Do you think I've shot myself in the foot with my defence then ? It has been submitted to MCOL.
    Off to re-read Bargpoles advice...
    Last edited by Perfo; 12-03-2017 at 7:09 PM.
    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 12th Mar 17, 7:23 PM
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    Reading the timings in Bargpole's thread. As I've been given a date and time of the hearing and a deadline (17th March) to hand in a copy. I am already at point 5, aren't I ? Thus there is only the WS left to submit ?
    am I wrong here ?

    BP also states my WS can be expanded here so could I combine my posts #12 and #13 to for the WS. They don't conflict and basically say the same thing anyway bar the additional bits about how corrupt the appeal system is...
    Last edited by Perfo; 12-03-2017 at 8:55 PM.
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    • By Coupon-mad 12th Mar 17, 11:04 PM
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    I of course hope I never end up in this situation again , but needless to say I'm now a little wiser and would do more homework before firing off responses.
    Thanks for the reply Coupon-Mad. Do you think I've shot myself in the foot with my defence then ? It has been submitted to MCOL.
    Off to re-read Bargepoles advice...
    Originally posted by Perfo
    Nope, you have said most of what was needed but in less legalese language. That's fine for that stage.

    As I've been given a date and time of the hearing and a deadline (17th March) to hand in a copy. I am already at point 5, aren't I ? Thus there is only the WS left to submit ?
    Aha, yes you are, so you need to file (and send a copy to the other side by email) of your Witness Statement, which is what happened when (facts) plus any supporting evidence, like photos etc.

    BP also states my WS can be expanded here so could I combine my posts #12 and #13 to for the WS. They don't conflict
    Yes you could. Then see what WS they file and if they are late tell the Judge in a letter to the court saying how you have been disadvantaged by them trying to re-plead their 'incoherent & sparse particulars of claim' at the last minute.
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    • Perfo
    • By Perfo 13th Mar 17, 9:50 AM
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    Thanks, I'll get that combination doc formulated and get the docs emailed off tonight.

    Is the fact GS still run and own the appeals process still true ?

    Thanks for your assistance
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    • By Coupon-mad 13th Mar 17, 1:26 PM
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    Is the fact GS still run and own the appeals process still true ?
    Yep, Hurley & Davies run the IPC Trade Body and are responsible for the 'IAS' (kangaroo court, most here would say) as well as Gladstones solicitors - so a potential conflict of interests in any reasonable person's mind.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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