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    • Predaleko1984
    • By Predaleko1984 22nd Sep 16, 7:25 PM
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    Had NHS Interview - unsuccessful Is it really that hard to get in the NHS + find work
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 7:25 PM
    Had NHS Interview - unsuccessful Is it really that hard to get in the NHS + find work 22nd Sep 16 at 7:25 PM
    I finally had my first interview in a while going for a post at the major hospital in our region. Granted I was nervous, and have a cold so I sounded rather croaky, I didn't get the job. I know I stuffed up a bit on the first question, but felt I built momentum and turned it around at the end.

    They went for someone who had NHS experience. I felt a bit cheated, as it seemed the interview was like a glorified internal selection. Why advertise to the public if you're not going to train someone up who wants a chance?

    I'm just getting nowhere with finding work. I'm sick of being in the temp trap, I'm sick of going for temp positions that get filled quicker than I can run for the bus and with this Brexit crap going on it's going to be hard. I want to move near my Mum, but can't afford it unless I don't eat and pay bills for a month or two, as it's not a nice area where I am and the flat is too cold in winter.

    I don't really want some job in a business that could potentially go under due to us leaving the EU. I know the NHS is tough to get into (and under-threat from the powers that be), but I just want a new challenge.

    Is it really that hard? What do you suggest?
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    • queen of cheap
    • By queen of cheap 22nd Sep 16, 7:45 PM
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    Getting into the NHS if you're not already in it is getting more and more difficult. It's got nothing to do with whether we are in the EU or not and everything to do with money being non-existent

    They have to advertise the vacancies but very often it's merely a formality

    Try and get on the clerical bank at the hospital. That will get your foot in the door and give you some experience

    Don't give up. Just try and get in via a different route
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    • Predaleko1984
    • By Predaleko1984 22nd Sep 16, 7:54 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 7:54 PM
    Well people should have not fallen for soundbites in biased newspapers and voted for parties who want to save the NHS. It riles me, that we've a government who can find money to go to war but not the NHS.

    The EU thing is just about other business aka private sector and the knock on effect to them.

    How realiable is the clerical bank?
    • Sncjw
    • By Sncjw 22nd Sep 16, 7:56 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 7:56 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 7:56 PM
    I had 3 interviews for NHS for different admin roles until I got this one. It's your first one don't let it get you down. You will know what it is like for next time
    • Sncjw
    • By Sncjw 22nd Sep 16, 7:58 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 7:58 PM
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    I didn't have admin experience but I did put on my application that although I do not have the experience in this field I am willing to undertake training. By training me you will someone trained to your busines needs.

    You could bring in experience and skills from other places you have been that are transferable
    • keepcalmandstayoutofdebt
    • By keepcalmandstayoutofdebt 22nd Sep 16, 8:04 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 8:04 PM
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    That people lower their sights if not getting into such public service places. Why not look at thriving industries in the private sector?
    It will always be better to try out with a company that goes belly up than do nothing.

    With time on my hands inbetween 'bettering' jobs, I registered a CV on reed very recently on their immediately available section and 4 days later, I was approached by an agency offering warehouse work, admittedly in another town at £7.66 per hour.

    Of course I reservedly apologise if you have been temping up to now, rather then unemployed and selective. My advise remains the same as last time I posted to you except to say that basic job I had at the time was improved on and no bar to what I've signed up to do next.
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    • suki1964
    • By suki1964 22nd Sep 16, 10:12 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 10:12 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 10:12 PM
    Bank work in the NHS is very reliable

    More skills you have, the more offers of work you get

    I worked for the NHS for 13 years as a HCO, then got sick so left, but returned on the bank. 6 months later I was asked back to my old post 2 grades higher. However I preferred the bank hours at that time

    I could be doing anything in any week, switchboard, A/E reception, bed manager, admissions , ward clerk. Loved the variety
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    • Polarbeary
    • By Polarbeary 22nd Sep 16, 10:43 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 10:43 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 10:43 PM
    Bank work is always a good start...

    Not sure where you are but London always has loads of NHS admin and secretarial jobs going, I was told they can never find medical secretaries and are desperate for them by one HR officer.

    Of course, even with London weighing added on (£4000 ish), the pay isn't that great for London living.

    Personally, I've always found bank work is plentiful and there are always jobs going.
    • milliemonster
    • By milliemonster 23rd Sep 16, 7:45 AM
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    I work in the NHS and recruit, I can tell you the reason why, competition, unless you have specific professional skills (such as health professionals/doctor etc) then you are up against hundreds, every time we advertise for any grade of band 3 or less we are inundated with applications and frequently have to cap them (I have known over 300 applicants for a band 2 position, we learned after that escapade), the other day we interviewed for a band 3 and shortlisted 22 interviewees from 150 applicants for this one job, 2 and a half days of interviews.

    People with generic skills (and no professional qualifications that are a key requirement of the job) inundate applications for nhs job roles of the lower bands and unfortunately are up against a lot of competition, all I can advise is that you either train for a professional qualification if its the NHS you want to work for for an easier way in, or get on the bank first to get some experince in the NHS, their ways of working are very different to industry (restrictive, bureaucratic etc)
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 23rd Sep 16, 8:10 AM
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    I work in the NHS and recruit, I can tell you the reason why, competition, unless you have specific professional skills (such as health professionals/doctor etc) then you are up against hundreds, every time we advertise for any grade of band 3 or less we are inundated with applications and frequently have to cap them (I have known over 300 applicants for a band 2 position, we learned after that escapade), the other day we interviewed for a band 3 and shortlisted 22 interviewees from 150 applicants for this one job, 2 and a half days of interviews.

    People with generic skills (and no professional qualifications that are a key requirement of the job) inundate applications for nhs job roles of the lower bands and unfortunately are up against a lot of competition, all I can advise is that you either train for a professional qualification if its the NHS you want to work for for an easier way in, or get on the bank first to get some experince in the NHS, their ways of working are very different to industry (restrictive, bureaucratic etc)
    Originally posted by milliemonster

    One way for the NHS to save money would be for you not to shortlist 22 applicants and spend 2 and a half days interviewing them. What an absolute waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere. Shortlist the best 5 and cut the number of recruiters by 25%. If you can't get a suitable candidate that way, you're not good enough at your job.
    • dlmcr
    • By dlmcr 23rd Sep 16, 9:30 AM
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    One way for the NHS to save money would be for you not to shortlist 22 applicants and spend 2 and a half days interviewing them. What an absolute waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere. Shortlist the best 5 and cut the number of recruiters by 25%. If you can't get a suitable candidate that way, you're not good enough at your job.
    Originally posted by ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    Very good point. I've worked at the NHS as a back office contractor on 3 occassions over the last 10 years. The amount of bureaucracy and waste is shocking. I personally would never apply to work in a permant role in the NHS, it is such a sad and demoralising place to work.
    • Predaleko1984
    • By Predaleko1984 23rd Sep 16, 10:10 AM
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    Thanks everyone for your answers. I do have a bank interview lined up for Tuesday at another hospital but I feel like non attending as I just know it won't be successful. The thing is some trusts will be busy than others - ours is in Bristol and there is fewer people than London.

    I'm just getting frustrated. Six months of unemployment and nothing. I'm fed up of going to agencies to register and nothing off them, I'm fed up of losing out in interviews in almost every possible circumstance there is.

    As for a professional qualification in Admin, I can't afford it to go to college thanks to our horrible government.

    Perhaps I should just take anything (e.g kitchen work, bar work) for the time being to fund my move?
    • ctbfc
    • By ctbfc 23rd Sep 16, 10:31 AM
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    Very good point. I've worked at the NHS as a back office contractor on 3 occassions over the last 10 years. The amount of bureaucracy and waste is shocking. I personally would never apply to work in a permant role in the NHS, it is such a sad and demoralising place to work.
    Originally posted by dlmcr
    In some NHS offices I would wholeheartedly agree, however where I am now (a central London NHS office) I would say the opposite is true.

    I got in to the NHS through temping in various roles for a few years before applying for a role when it became permanent. Once I was in I went from a Band 2 to a Band 5 in a year.

    Many people applying for Band 2/3 jobs won't have any qualifications so an NHS job is more attractive than an equivalent position in the private sector in regards to employee benefits. For that reason there will be a lot of competition - more so outside London I guess where there are fewer jobs.

    To Predaleko1984 I would agree with the advice above and try to join the hospital bank. Make as many contacts as possible, be friendly, work hard and people will remember you when permanent vacancies come up.
    Last edited by ctbfc; 23-09-2016 at 12:31 PM. Reason: Missed a word
    • shortcrust
    • By shortcrust 23rd Sep 16, 12:11 PM
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    Very good point. I've worked at the NHS as a back office contractor on 3 occassions over the last 10 years. The amount of bureaucracy and waste is shocking. I personally would never apply to work in a permant role in the NHS, it is such a sad and demoralising place to work.
    Originally posted by dlmcr
    It's worth pointing out that the NHS is a collection of many different organisations. Some are horrible to work for, some are fantastic. Some are even quite efficient! Make sure you find out about the specific bit you're applying to and don't worry too much about the experiences of people who've worked in other areas.
    • Sncjw
    • By Sncjw 23rd Sep 16, 12:22 PM
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    You should still go as it's building interview experience. As I say I didn't have experience in admin and I got this job. Have you looked at vision to learn courses
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 23rd Sep 16, 12:24 PM
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    Phone up the hospital HR departments and ask them which temp agencies they use to fill temp vacancies.

    Then make sure you're on the books of those agencies and hassle them for work .... then you'll get some NHS experience.
    • robin58
    • By robin58 23rd Sep 16, 12:35 PM
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    Thanks everyone for your answers. I do have a bank interview lined up for Tuesday at another hospital but I feel like non attending as I just know it won't be successful. The thing is some trusts will be busy than others - ours is in Bristol and there is fewer people than London.

    I'm just getting frustrated. Six months of unemployment and nothing. I'm fed up of going to agencies to register and nothing off them, I'm fed up of losing out in interviews in almost every possible circumstance there is.

    As for a professional qualification in Admin, I can't afford it to go to college thanks to our horrible government.

    Perhaps I should just take anything (e.g kitchen work, bar work) for the time being to fund my move?
    Originally posted by Predaleko1984
    Do go to that job interview!

    You don't know that it could be the job that gets you on the road to where you want to go.

    I nearly didn't go to a job interview once, basically with the same view as you 'why bother, I won't get it'. After a talk to myself I went along to the interview.

    Somehow I impressed the interviewer and got the job!

    This job lead me into a very interesting career and I ended up over the years in a highly paid position.

    All I'm saying you do not know that the next interview you go to will be the one that gets you where you want to be.
    Last edited by robin58; 23-09-2016 at 12:38 PM.
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    • missbiggles1
    • By missbiggles1 23rd Sep 16, 1:55 PM
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    Thanks everyone for your answers. I do have a bank interview lined up for Tuesday at another hospital but I feel like non attending as I just know it won't be successful. The thing is some trusts will be busy than others - ours is in Bristol and there is fewer people than London.

    I'm just getting frustrated. Six months of unemployment and nothing. I'm fed up of going to agencies to register and nothing off them, I'm fed up of losing out in interviews in almost every possible circumstance there is.

    As for a professional qualification in Admin, I can't afford it to go to college thanks to our horrible government.

    Perhaps I should just take anything (e.g kitchen work, bar work) for the time being to fund my move?
    Originally posted by Predaleko1984
    It certainly won't be successful if you don't go!
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 23rd Sep 16, 2:05 PM
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    Worth remembering that a lot of the 'waste' in the public sector is down to rules from the various ministers.
    • Predaleko1984
    • By Predaleko1984 23rd Sep 16, 5:00 PM
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    Well I'm going to give it a go on Tuesday, and I am researching which agencies work within the NHS so I can badger them, instead of the dumb false lead interviews which are registration and posting jobs you need a degree in.

    In a "smaller" trust, how realiable is Bank work? Is it like assingments in days or weeks or months? I just want to speed this move up to the North of our region.
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