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    • rizla01
    • By rizla01 22nd Sep 16, 5:52 PM
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    Windows 7 32 bit problem
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 5:52 PM
    Windows 7 32 bit problem 22nd Sep 16 at 5:52 PM
    Been asked to help a mate who tried to do what he could to solve a problem

    That problem was Vista.

    He decided to get rid of vista and install w7 in its place as his friend had a disc.
    Deleted his op sys and when he went to install the W7 disc it turned out to be a 64 bit copy.

    I haven't tried that myself so I assume that the CD didn't have both versions on but now he is stuck.
    I've talked him off W10 but I was wondering if he is correct and that W7 discs dont have the 32 bit version included or is it that the key isn't working on his machine.
    Its only a MEDION e4500 duo core 2.8ghz but I think it should manage W7

    Any thoughts/words of wisdom?
    Can the 32 bit version be D/L'd for this machine?
    He has the original Vista disc but I'm hoping that he wont need to install that.

    Thanks
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    • takman
    • By takman 22nd Sep 16, 6:09 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 6:09 PM
    The CD key will work with either the 32bit or 64bit as long as it is for the version he is installing e.g. "home premium". So thay won't be the problem and there is no reason his machine won't run the 64bit version that i can see. Also windows 7 comes with two discs 1 for 32bit and one for 64bit so they won't be on the same disc.

    What actually happens when he tries the CD key?. Does it say if it's for the wrong version or maybe even he has an upgrade only key which only works if it detects an older operating system when installing.

    Also no need to talk him off windows 10, once he has it activated and he can upgrade he shouldn't definetly do it! .
    • rizla01
    • By rizla01 22nd Sep 16, 6:59 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 6:59 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 6:59 PM
    My concerns with W10 is that I have always found later op sys on older machines never a good plan as the newer system is invariably more memory hungry plus I have not heard much good for the newer sys.
    I don't think he has access to the 32 bit sys.
    His mate has a 64 bit system and has prob chucked the 32 bit version
    Last edited by rizla01; 22-09-2016 at 7:05 PM.
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    • FunTime
    • By FunTime 22nd Sep 16, 8:13 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 8:13 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 8:13 PM
    Been asked to help a mate who tried to do what he could to solve a problem

    That problem was Vista.

    He decided to get rid of vista and install w7 in its place as his friend had a disc.
    Deleted his op sys and when he went to install the W7 disc it turned out to be a 64 bit copy.

    I haven't tried that myself so I assume that the CD didn't have both versions on but now he is stuck.
    I've talked him off W10 but I was wondering if he is correct and that W7 discs dont have the 32 bit version included or is it that the key isn't working on his machine.
    Its only a MEDION e4500 duo core 2.8ghz but I think it should manage W7

    Any thoughts/words of wisdom?
    Can the 32 bit version be D/L'd for this machine?
    He has the original Vista disc but I'm hoping that he wont need to install that.

    Thanks
    Originally posted by rizla01
    Try to identify the machine properly. There should be a label at the back or underneath with model numbers.
    Naming the model of the tiny CPU within doesn't tell us anything.

    This is what you are naming:



    As aforementioned, 32 bit or 64 bit share the same key. So does he actually have a genuine key for the Windows 7 disc? For which edition?
    Is he trying to use his Vista product key for the Windows 7 media?

    A good place to begin is the full model number of the Medion machine.
    • rizla01
    • By rizla01 22nd Sep 16, 8:56 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 8:56 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 8:56 PM
    Try to identify the machine properly. There should be a label at the back or underneath with model numbers.
    Naming the model of the tiny CPU within doesn't tell us anything.

    This is what you are naming:



    As aforementioned, 32 bit or 64 bit share the same key. So does he actually have a genuine key for the Windows 7 disc? For which edition?
    Is he trying to use his Vista product key for the Windows 7 media?

    A good place to begin is the full model number of the Medion machine.
    Originally posted by FunTime
    Its a Medion MT7 model if that helps.
    He was using the W7 product key as supplied - def not the Vista key,
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    • FunTime
    • By FunTime 22nd Sep 16, 9:47 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 9:47 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 9:47 PM
    Its a Medion MT7 model if that helps.
    He was using the W7 product key as supplied - def not the Vista key,
    Originally posted by rizla01
    You need to get the full model number. Look here

    At least we know it is a PC, but we don't know which.

    Is there a reason why he doesn't want the 64 bit option? Not enough RAM installed?

    It is really unclear as to what the issue. Product key not working? Prefers 32 bit for particular software to run?

    What edition of Windows 7? Home Premium?
    • rizla01
    • By rizla01 22nd Sep 16, 11:53 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 16, 11:53 PM
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    You need to get the full model number. Look here

    At least we know it is a PC, but we don't know which.

    Is there a reason why he doesn't want the 64 bit option? Not enough RAM installed?

    It is really unclear as to what the issue. Product key not working? Prefers 32 bit for particular software to run?

    What edition of Windows 7? Home Premium?
    Originally posted by FunTime

    MEDION AKOYA MD 8830 A-UK
    MSN: 10011367

    He has 3 gb Ram but I wasn't sure it would take the 64 bit Op Sys comfortably.

    He was saying that the system is locking up when he enters the product key and I assumed it was because it isn't happy running 64 bit.
    That last bit is just my assumption.

    it is Windows 7 Ultimate.

    Would it be better off with 64 bit as opposed to 32 bit?
    Last edited by rizla01; 23-09-2016 at 12:10 AM.
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    • FunTime
    • By FunTime 23rd Sep 16, 12:36 AM
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    • 23rd Sep 16, 12:36 AM
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    Should have no issue running 64 bit with those specs

    64 bit is always best.

    But I'm happy to link you to the 32 bit image of Windows 7 Ultimate if you want to give it a try.
    Do you know how to create bootable DVD media?

    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32 bit English

    Otherwise we can check to see if the problem lies elsewhere
    • prowla
    • By prowla 23rd Sep 16, 4:01 AM
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    • 23rd Sep 16, 4:01 AM
    I'd go for the 64-bit OS.
    I'd also upgrade the RAM to 4GB (but that's just me!).
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 23rd Sep 16, 9:29 AM
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    No reason atall not to use the 64 version.
    32 bit programs will run quite happily.


    If you have the correct key for the correct version (pro/ultimate/home etc) then the key will work for 32 or 64 versions
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    • FunTime
    • By FunTime 23rd Sep 16, 10:31 AM
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    No reason atall not to use the 64 version.
    32 bit programs will run quite happily.


    If you have the correct key for the correct version (pro/ultimate/home etc) then the key will work for 32 or 64 versions
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    From a technical point of view, you know that there are advantages to utilising 64 bit over 32 bit.

    Security Advantages in using Windows 64-bit
    Protecting computers is not limited any more by relying to antivirus and firewall. You are also no longer limited to protecting your PC by adding or modifying settings or group policy in Windows. Microsoft has enhanced security in Windows 64-bit that is not available in 32-bit:

    Hardware-based Data Execution Prevention (DEP): Modern CPUs are now supporting hardware-based DEP but only 64-bit of Windows supports hardware-based DEP.

    Driver Signing: 64-bit of Windows will only allow installation of device drivers that is digitally signed by its developer. With Windows 32-bit, unsigned drivers is allowed to be installed which most beta-testers require for they cannot continue testing if the program they want to test is still holding a digitally signed drivers.

    Kernel Patch Protection (PatchGuard): One type of malware is called Rootkit. If you have 64-bit edition of Windows, you can enjoy protection against kernel-based rootkits. You can also avoid BSOD if you have 64-bit edition of Windows because PatchGuard does not allow any drivers to modify the kernel in Windows. Most bad driver or drivers that will modify kernel in Windows was seen the cause of BSOD or instability in Windows.
    Point being that there is no advantage to installing 32 bit over 64 bit, unless there is just too little RAM installed.
    • Fightsback
    • By Fightsback 23rd Sep 16, 10:38 AM
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    From a technical point of view, you know that there are advantages to utilising 64 bit over 32 bit.



    Point being that there is no advantage to installing 32 bit over 64 bit, unless there is just too little RAM installed.
    Originally posted by FunTime
    Unless of course the program you are using is 32bit (much rarer these days) as you do pay a slight performance penalty for the WoW layer.

    Another thing is you are going to get less writes to an SSD with 32 bit so may squeeze more life out of it.
    Science isn't exact, it's only confidence within limits.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 23rd Sep 16, 10:47 AM
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    From a technical point of view, you know that there are advantages to utilising 64 bit over 32 bit.
    .
    Originally posted by FunTime

    Yes, thanks , why do you ask ?
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    • FunTime
    • By FunTime 23rd Sep 16, 10:51 AM
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    Unless of course the program you are using is 32bit (much rarer these days) as you do pay a slight performance penalty for the WoW layer.

    Another thing is you are going to get less writes to an SSD with 32 bit so may squeeze more life out of it.
    Originally posted by Fightsback
    Prefers 32 bit for particular software to run?
    As you can see I asked about that earlier and received a reply. So that is clearly not an issue.

    No mention of an SSD and I certainly wouldn't choose 32 bit over 64 bit for that reason. Nor would you for that matter.
    • FunTime
    • By FunTime 23rd Sep 16, 10:53 AM
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    Yes, thanks , why do you ask ?
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    Whoops, I misread your reply.

    No reason atall not to use the 64 version.
    I saw
    No reason atall to use the 64 version.
    It happens
    • Fightsback
    • By Fightsback 23rd Sep 16, 11:00 AM
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    As you can see I asked about that earlier and received a reply. So that is clearly not an issue.

    No mention of an SSD and I certainly wouldn't choose 32 bit over 64 bit for that reason. Nor would you for that matter.
    Originally posted by FunTime
    I have for a couple of older 4gb DDR2 lappys that have SSDs and dedicated VRAM in them on the grounds I'm very mean with money

    Beyond 4gb yes 64 bit is a no brainer unless you have a 32 bit PAE kernel ('nix or hacked win) but IMHO 2gb-4gb RAM is a grey area and down to ones personal choice when weighing the advantages of both.
    Science isn't exact, it's only confidence within limits.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 23rd Sep 16, 11:32 AM
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    Yeah im with you on that one Fighsback.


    If it were me personally though, id plump for the 64bit just to make future expansion easy.
    Especially as a 4GB stick can be had for as little as 20 squid
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    • Fightsback
    • By Fightsback 23rd Sep 16, 11:41 AM
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    Yeah im with you on that one Fighsback.


    If it were me personally though, id plump for the 64bit just to make future expansion easy.
    Especially as a 4GB stick can be had for as little as 20 squid
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    Andy,

    good luck trying to get your hands on a 4GB SODIMM DDR2 stick for £20.
    Science isn't exact, it's only confidence within limits.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 23rd Sep 16, 11:55 AM
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    Andy,

    good luck trying to get your hands on a 4GB SODIMM DDR2 stick for £20.
    Originally posted by Fightsback

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micron-4GB-PC2-6400-DDR2-800Mhz-SO-DIMM-Laptop-RAM-/122138174818?hash=item1c7000a562:g:fOMAAOSwLnBX3Xd r


    ...


    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Integral-4GB-PC2-6400-DDR2-800Mhz-SO-DIMM-Laptop/122138169054?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkpa rms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3 D20140122125356%26meid%3D51951f6f1f2c44cf8677c89fb 73c0b3a%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D1 22138174818




    etc
    Last edited by AndyPix; 23-09-2016 at 11:57 AM.
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    • Fightsback
    • By Fightsback 23rd Sep 16, 11:59 AM
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    etc
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    Let's see what went for when bidding closes.
    Science isn't exact, it's only confidence within limits.
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