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    • Shrimply
    • By Shrimply 20th Sep 16, 11:01 AM
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    New Laptop help
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    • 20th Sep 16, 11:01 AM
    New Laptop help 20th Sep 16 at 11:01 AM
    Hi guys,

    Back again, I'm in the market for a new laptop before my current one blows up. Budget is around £500 but probably a little flexible for a bargain.

    At the minute I'm running a Dell N5010 with an i3 380M processor. And really I don't have too many issues doing what I need to do. But a little more processing power wouldn't go amiss. I'm not a gamer and I'm not particularly bothered about a touch screen but a good touch pad is a concern as I've used a few lately on various machines and they seem to be pretty rubbish and unresponsive.

    In an ideal world I'd like the machine to have, or be able to be fitted with a HDD and SSD. But I think this is asking a bit much, but would prefer an SSD as the main drive, although I'm happy to fit this after I've bought a machine if it makes sense cost wise.

    Ideally looking for a 15" screen but also with decent portability, so not too heavy.

    I'm a student so always good if I can use that to get a discount that way, I'm more than happy with a machine that comes with windows 7 and also it isn't an issue if the machine has no OS installed.

    At the minute one option is this machine I think,

    http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/hp-250-g5-intel-core-i5-6200u-8gb-256gb-ssd-dvdsm-windows-7-pro-15.6-inch-f-x0n33ea/version.asp

    But if you guys have any suggestions about what would fit my needs better I'd be really happy to hear them.

    Thanks
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    • Fightsback
    • By Fightsback 20th Sep 16, 11:34 AM
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    Why not just fit an SSD to your existing machine and while you are at it refresh the OS as you'll find this will give a considerable system speed boost for much less outlay.

    The money you have saved can now be wasted down at the SU bar
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    • Shrimply
    • By Shrimply 20th Sep 16, 11:41 AM
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    I could, but I really think the old laptop is on the way out. It's a combination of things, including how bulky and heavy it is that have led me to want to replace it.

    The plan for a while has been to upgrade the hard drive but I've come to the conclusion that is not the only thing wrong with it and I don't want to spend money patching holes. It's running incredibly hot, and that's after being taken apart and cleaned. It seems it's a common problem with the machines and it will need the thermal paste replacing. And it would also need a new battery.

    All in all, I feel like after 5 and half years of heavy use it's time for a new machine.
    • Fightsback
    • By Fightsback 20th Sep 16, 11:48 AM
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    If your set on a new machine then consider a model that has both an M2 SATA slot (for SSD) and a HDD SATA slot. If it were me I'd get the machine with a HDD and fit the M2 sata myself.

    I'll have a dig around for some suggestions and I'm sure others will come up with some as well.

    Just for the record the model you first quoted can be bought cheaper elsewhere, even at HP's own site:

    http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=X0N33EA&opt=ABU&sel=NTB
    Last edited by Fightsback; 20-09-2016 at 11:50 AM.
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    • jshm2
    • By jshm2 20th Sep 16, 11:52 AM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 11:52 AM
    Go for the HP 255 G4 instead of that one - better build. If you're working mostly online then maybe take a look at Chromebooks. You'll get a better build quality than a cheap Windows lappy but running ChromeOS instead. Something like the ACER Chromebook R 11

    Anyway, you have hybrid machines like the Lenovo Yoga Tab 3 and Asus Transformer Book T100HA that you can look at. Better battery and portability than what you have, though a little less processing power.

    Then you've the MICROSOFT Surface 3 which can be picked up for a good price these days as the new models are out. But best bet would be a ASUS ZenBook UX305 All aluminium but light with good battery and speed. But the screen is a tad smaller than 15"
    • nzxt
    • By nzxt 20th Sep 16, 11:52 AM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 11:52 AM
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    I recently purchased a refurbed Thinkpad x220 with a 500GB SSD, 4GB Ram. Its a solid machine with a nice keyboard. I run it in dual boot with Windows and Linux, does everything I need. And was only £250.
    • Shrimply
    • By Shrimply 20th Sep 16, 12:01 PM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 12:01 PM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 12:01 PM
    If your set on a new machine then consider a model that has both an M2 SATA slot (for SSD) and a HDD SATA slot. If it were me I'd get the machine with a HDD and fit the M2 sata myself.

    I'll have a dig around for some suggestions and I'm sure others will come up with some as well.

    Just for the record the model you first quoted can be bought cheaper elsewhere, even at HP's own site:

    http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=X0N33EA&opt=ABU&sel=NTB
    Originally posted by Fightsback
    That would be great thanks, quite happy to fit drives and things myself. But it's not as easy to know whether it's possible.

    It seems some models that have an M2 SATA port and HDD bay then need further connectors when they aren't shipped with both fitted.

    And yes, I'm still sort of working out what is likely to be in my price range, not so much focussing on where to get it cheapest until I come to buy.

    Thanks for the other responses too. I am very much looking for a laptop that's reasonably portable, not the other way around. Processing power trumps portability. And I really need a windows machine, Chromebooks aren't really an option.
    • Fightsback
    • By Fightsback 20th Sep 16, 12:32 PM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 12:32 PM
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    It seems some models that have an M2 SATA port and HDD bay then need further connectors when they aren't shipped with both fitted.
    Originally posted by Shrimply
    Or they have an M2 caddy in place of the HDD rather than a dedicated M2 slot which is the case for the model you quoted earlier, see p56 of service manual here:

    HP250 G5 Service Manual
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    • Shrimply
    • By Shrimply 20th Sep 16, 12:39 PM
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    Or they have an M2 caddy in place of the HDD rather than a dedicated M2 slot which is the case for the model you quoted earlier, see p56 of service manual here:

    HP250 G5 Service Manual
    Originally posted by Fightsback
    Thanks, yeah I realise that is the case, and I can't find a optical drive caddy for it either. But I haven't had much luck finding any that do have the capacity for both that are any where near my budget.

    So a single drive isn't a going to have to be a deal breaker, any suggestions of models that do allow both would be great though.
    • Shrimply
    • By Shrimply 21st Sep 16, 9:35 AM
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    This was posted on HDUK, not sure if I'm totally happy buying refurbished but it does seem to tick all the boxes and is almost on budget,

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401191521890?clk_rvr_id=1097227032362&rmvSB=true

    Any thoughts?
    • Fightsback
    • By Fightsback 21st Sep 16, 10:18 AM
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    This was posted on HDUK, not sure if I'm totally happy buying refurbished but it does seem to tick all the boxes and is almost on budget,

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401191521890?clk_rvr_id=1097227032362&rmvSB=true

    Any thoughts?
    Originally posted by Shrimply
    This is an entry level gaming laptop with a discrete video card and thus will not be too great on battery. Given that you don't game it may be more than you need for it's purpose however personally I do prefer a discrete Vcard as it's there if needed but Intel IGPs have come a long way since their seriously underpowered early efforts. It's your choice

    Additionally 4gb of ram is board soldered I believe so the max ram you can have will be 12gb, the 12gb will not run in dual channel mode however a total of 8gb (2x4gb) will.

    Alternatively keep and eye on this Dell refurb place (or google for others) and see what comes up:

    http://mcscom.co.uk/
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    • Shrimply
    • By Shrimply 21st Sep 16, 10:49 AM
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    Thanks, I hadn't even considered the battery life. I don't need it to be awesome, if I could get 3 or 4 hours for on the train every couple of weeks that would be great.

    I don't think I'm likely to want to increase the ram 8GB should be plenty for what I do.

    Thanks for your thoughts, I will have think about it and will also look at some of the Dell options.
    • Cisco001
    • By Cisco001 21st Sep 16, 1:25 PM
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    Here is an alternative. To meet your requirement of SSD + HDD + optical drive, you probably need to spend about £600.
    If you already has OS, you can skip it about £500

    https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/ultraNoteIII-15/
    • Shrimply
    • By Shrimply 22nd Sep 16, 1:01 PM
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    Thanks, have you got any experience of PCSpecialist?

    I have maybe been unclear but while I'd like a SSD and HDD, I don't have any real need of an optical drive.
    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 22nd Sep 16, 1:45 PM
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    I have specified and purchased three systems now from PCSpecialist and all three are still running well (admittedly all were towers not laptops) and the speccing and buying process were slick and (the only time) I needed support, it was available at the end of a phone with an English speaking techy.
    • Fightsback
    • By Fightsback 22nd Sep 16, 5:55 PM
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    Thanks, have you got any experience of PCSpecialist?

    I have maybe been unclear but while I'd like a SSD and HDD, I don't have any real need of an optical drive.
    Originally posted by Shrimply
    This person has and they are having trouble with them over a laptop at the moment, they are currently seeking advice in the consumer rights section of this very forum:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=71342649
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    • Shrimply
    • By Shrimply 23rd Sep 16, 9:51 AM
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    Hmm, not so good but I guess you can't judge a company on one case.

    I had a horrendous time with Dell ( my current machine is actually a replacement under warranty which took a lot of fighting and many "repairs" on the previous machine). As an aside if I remember correctly it had 3 new screens, a new motherboard, 3 new touchpads and a new webcam. I lost my rag when they tried to tell me they wanted to replace the motherboard again.

    I still haven't made any decisions, it is very much a case of me wanting more than I can afford I guess. I emailed the place selling the Asus as I have my doubts it's got UK keyboard, not being able to find the particular model for sale anywhere else in the UK. But haven't had a reply, so that doesn't say too much for their customer service.
    Last edited by Shrimply; 23-09-2016 at 9:56 AM.
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