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    • contrivant
    • By contrivant 20th Sep 16, 5:54 AM
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    Is this usual??
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    • 20th Sep 16, 5:54 AM
    Is this usual?? 20th Sep 16 at 5:54 AM
    Is it normal in the fittings and contents form to not include things like fitted oven/hob & gas fires? I'm legitimately wondering. I mean if the oven/hob were free standing, I don't think I'd be as shocked.
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    • Ithaca
    • By Ithaca 20th Sep 16, 3:44 PM
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    Can you make exchange or completion subject to a final walk-through of the property?
    • contrivant
    • By contrivant 20th Sep 16, 3:47 PM
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    Can you make exchange or completion subject to a final walk-through of the property?
    Originally posted by Ithaca
    That is such a good idea!
    • anna_1977
    • By anna_1977 20th Sep 16, 3:53 PM
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    definitely make sure you get confirmation from a qualified Corgi person that they were removed safely - It'll probably be more hassle that it's worth for them to remove
    • contrivant
    • By contrivant 20th Sep 16, 4:08 PM
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    definitely make sure you get confirmation from a qualified Corgi person that they were removed safely - It'll probably be more hassle that it's worth for them to remove
    Originally posted by anna_1977
    This is a good shout as I'm guessing the vendor intends to remove it himself. Will definitely make sure that's part of it if it goes that way!
    • hazyjo
    • By hazyjo 20th Sep 16, 4:21 PM
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    For the record - it's now 'Gas Safe Register' rather than 'Corgi Registration'.


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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 20th Sep 16, 4:55 PM
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    HOW much for a gas fire?

    I picked exactly the one I wanted for my current house - and it was NOT cheap - and I think it was around 500 from memory (and that's a brand new one).

    When I bought my first house - the vendor was like that. I've never forgotten him trying to charge me more (quite a bit more!) for something secondhand there than I would have to pay if I bought it brand new.

    He also tried to charge me for a grotty, old-fashioned carpet that couldnt possibly be adapted to fit any other room anyway and he wanted money for a grotty, old-fashioned cooker (which I didnt want anyway).

    I just told him I wasnt going to pay any extra at all for any "bits" at all and took the view that, if they were there when I moved in then they were there. If they werent there - they werent there - but at least I wouldnt have been overcharged for them.

    The dearer item he wanted to charge me more for than a brand new one would cost was gone - which I rather expected, so I just shrugged. The tatty carpet was still there (which I also expected). The tatty freestanding cooker was gone (thank goodness).

    I suggest you take the same attitude - ie tell him words to the effect of "I'm not paying any extra for anything. The law states that any 'fixtures and fittings' can't be taken away by the vendor anyway. BTW - if you decide to break the law and remove them - then you can expect to hear further if you leave the place unsafe (ie gas fire not capped off properly). It probably counts as manslaughter if someone dies from carbon monoxide poisoning if you had tried to do a DIY removal job of that fire".

    I suspect the fire will still be there - precisely because he wouldnt want the police turning up on his doorstep for having harmed you because he didn't cap the fire off properly (ie he did a DIY job - rather than having it done properly). If he has a scrap of sense he won't want to be seen as responsible for having killed or injured you will he?
    For every person that tells you you are overthinking - there will be at least one commending you on being "two steps ahead"/planning well/etc.
    • HouseBuyer77
    • By HouseBuyer77 20th Sep 16, 5:18 PM
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    The law states that any 'fixtures and fittings' can't be taken away by the vendor anyway.
    Vendor can take away whatever they please. However if they are taking fixtures and fittings this must be explicitly stated. Which is what is happening in this case.

    [edit]Actually think it's fixtures only that must be explicitly excluded from the sale[edit]
    • phoebe1989seb
    • By phoebe1989seb 20th Sep 16, 6:00 PM
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    Our last vendor (2014) was odd! He no longer lived at the house, which he'd only bought it in 2000 because it had belonged to his ex-gf's parents, he then proceeded to keep it as some sort of 'shrine' to them - which basically excused him from doing any updating, despite being a millionaire several times over

    Anyway, he wanted the buyer - in this case us - to pay extra for the Aga. We didn't want it as we planned to swap the kitchen out into a larger room. When he filled out the F&F form it had price for the Aga - can't remember how much now - but we declined. When we moved in it was still there. We later sold it for a few hundred

    Otoh, between exchange and completion he noticed the (unfitted) washing machine had broken and quite unexpectedly he offered us 300 for a new one, which was a bonus as we had our own we were taking from our previous house.......
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    • shortcrust
    • By shortcrust 20th Sep 16, 6:20 PM
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    Our last vendor (2014) was odd! He no longer lived at the house, which he'd only bought it in 2000 because it had belonged to his ex-gf's parents, he then proceeded to keep it as some sort of 'shrine' to them - which basically excused him from doing any updating, despite being a millionaire several times over

    Anyway, he wanted the buyer - in this case us - to pay extra for the Aga. We didn't want it as we planned to swap the kitchen out into a larger room. When he filled out the F&F form it had price for the Aga - can't remember how much now - but we declined. When we moved in it was still there. We later sold it for a few hundred

    Otoh, between exchange and completion he noticed the (unfitted) washing machine had broken and quite unexpectedly he offered us 300 for a new one, which was a bonus as we had our own we were taking from our previous house.......
    Originally posted by phoebe1989seb
    Was the girlfriend an ex-girlfriend when he bought the house?!
    • gregsayer
    • By gregsayer 20th Sep 16, 6:25 PM
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    the normal rule is, if you were turn the house upside down, any thing that doesn't move should be included, so a fitted oven / hob / wm should be included, but a freestanding fridge wouldnt
    • Jimmy_Neutron
    • By Jimmy_Neutron 21st Sep 16, 5:51 PM
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    the normal rule is, if you were turn the house upside down, any thing that doesn't move should be included, so a fitted oven / hob / wm should be included, but a freestanding fridge wouldnt
    Originally posted by gregsayer
    Expensive light fittings should be included or not?
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 21st Sep 16, 7:29 PM
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    Expensive light fittings should be included or not?
    Originally posted by Jimmy_Neutron
    Not if you say you're taking them and replace the fitting with something functional..

    We took two of ours, but they were probably about 500 worth and hard to re-source.

    We didn't know what we'd be buying. As it turned out, one is totally inappropriate for this property and the other was irreparably damaged in storage, so I guess we might get 50 on the Bay.
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    • itchyfeet123
    • By itchyfeet123 21st Sep 16, 8:02 PM
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    the normal rule is, if you were turn the house upside down, any thing that doesn't move should be included, so a fitted oven / hob / wm should be included, but a freestanding fridge wouldnt
    Originally posted by gregsayer
    One day a court is going to have to apply that test...
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 22nd Sep 16, 7:37 AM
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    I don't know whether it's allowed to swop one "fixture" for another and would assume that the law doesnt allow it personally.

    I have found an article that may clarify what the law expects:

    www.ourproperty.co.uk/guides/fixtures_and_fittings_what_to_leave_and_what_to_ex pect.html


    Also:

    www.conveyancingpro.co.uk/fixtures-and-fittings

    The vendor may be planning on "playing" on the fact that "kitchen units" are in the first list of the conveyancing website and the "oven" is in the second list - whereas it's obvious that the oven goes if it's freestanding but stays if it's fitted (as I would imagine most people would class it as "kitchen units" at that point).
    Last edited by moneyistooshorttomention; 22-09-2016 at 7:57 AM.
    For every person that tells you you are overthinking - there will be at least one commending you on being "two steps ahead"/planning well/etc.
    • phoebe1989seb
    • By phoebe1989seb 23rd Sep 16, 2:45 PM
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    Not if you say you're taking them and replace the fitting with something functional..

    We took two of ours, but they were probably about 500 worth and hard to re-source.

    We didn't know what we'd be buying. As it turned out, one is totally inappropriate for this property and the other was irreparably damaged in storage, so I guess we might get 50 on the Bay.
    Originally posted by Davesnave
    Same here. Last three moves we've taken majority of our light fittings. One or two we swapped out prior to marketing the house, whilst the remainder we made it clear from the outset we were taking. Ours were all either antique/vintage and very difficult to replace

    Ditto expensive, chunky wooden/metal curtain poles - I seem to collect these, lol! - which we replaced with nice but considerably less expensive ones, sourced on fleabay iirc. At our last house our buyer specifically mentioned a couple of these on her first viewing. We explained we would be taking them, but would replace with good quality alternatives. She was perfectly happy with this - well she must have been as she made us an asking price offer directly, before leaving!

    Her offer was dependent on us leaving a few items, notably the range cooker (which she offered us a few hundred for anyway ) and a large bespoke light fitting in the double-height kitchen. The latter would have been of no use to us unless we bought a house with similar ceiling height.

    We did once fall foul of the F&F form when - on a different sale - our EA got confused over our Aga (Agas again!) and the Aga Rangemaster oven and we ended up having to let our buyers have the latter (unlike our more recent vendor, our Aga itself was of course included!). The EA admitted their mistake and gave us 250 (a fraction of the original 2000 cost but we picked up an identical barely used one on preloved for a couple of hundred).....
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    • phoebe1989seb
    • By phoebe1989seb 23rd Sep 16, 2:47 PM
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    Was the girlfriend an ex-girlfriend when he bought the house?!
    Originally posted by shortcrust
    Apparently

    We never met him, but he definitely sounded like a first class fruit loop!
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