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    • katies mum
    • By katies mum 19th Sep 16, 4:44 PM
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    New Central Heating system and boiler
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    • 19th Sep 16, 4:44 PM
    New Central Heating system and boiler 19th Sep 16 at 4:44 PM
    Our heating system is over 25 years old and has given up the ghost. I have so far had 5 estimates from local heating engineers.

    I need new combi boiler which is to be moved from the garage to the airing cupboard (directly above), 8 radiators, new piping etc. We live in a 3 bedroomed semi. Old system is to be removed and tanks etc to be removed. We live in the North West.

    First quote £5,500 with an Ariston boiler was going to take 7-10 days

    Another £4,580 with Worcester Greenstar 30SI boiler, copper piping, flushing chemical to flush system our and then inhibitor added to safeguard against corrosion. 7 year warranty

    Another quote is to drain down existing system and flush out to clean, remove old system, fit new radiators, plastic pipework, Intergas 30RF combi boiler £4400 10 year warranty. Nice guy who took his time to explain everything.

    Next estimate doesn`t say much but its for a Vaillant Eco Tec plus 32 boiler plus radiators £4500

    Finally Worcester SI30 boiler, 5 year warranty £3280 (bloke who works on his own) £3280

    We are really liking the sound of the Intergas boiler, did think the quote might be a little cheaper than the Vaillant and WB as I understand the boilers are slightly cheaper. But £4500`ish seems to be coming out as the average price (I was hoping the estimates would be under £4,000)

    Also can anyone advise on plastic pipework rather than copper?

    The two main choices would be the Intergas or Vaillant.

    Any advice would be great, thank you
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    • krey
    • By krey 19th Sep 16, 11:26 PM
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    either way you are getting ripped off and should look for more quotes. Or buy all the stuff yourself and just hire someone to come and fit it if you can't do it ( although it's rather simple).
    Had to change the whole system in our house as well, bought the boiler ourselves (that same worcester) for around £850 , got someone to hook it up ( as you must get someone certified to do that) for £200, a rip-off for what it is, but oh well you must get that damn paper to sign it off..

    did the radiators/pipes myself ( took about 11hours to do 7radiators and mostly new pipes everywhere).
    cost for copper pipes/thermoregulators right around £240
    cost of 7 double panel/double convector 1200x600 radiators - £420 ( from screwfix,they are the cheapest and best there)


    So total (for boiler/instalation and the pipes/radiators): £1710 for more or less what you got there
    + a days work to fit all the radiators.
    Last edited by krey; 19-09-2016 at 11:28 PM.
    • katies mum
    • By katies mum 20th Sep 16, 8:17 AM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 8:17 AM
    Don`t think could get prices anywhere near that
    • missbiggles1
    • By missbiggles1 20th Sep 16, 8:25 AM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 8:25 AM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 8:25 AM
    Is there a reason you need to buy new radiators rather than just replacing the boiler?
    • ariba10
    • By ariba10 20th Sep 16, 8:42 AM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 8:42 AM
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    Four of the radiators in our house are the original ones fitted when we fitted our first boiler (a Rayburn Rhapsody) in 1969.
    I used to be indecisive but now I am not sure.
    • missbiggles1
    • By missbiggles1 20th Sep 16, 8:53 AM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 8:53 AM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 8:53 AM
    Four of the radiators in our house are the original ones fitted when we fitted our first boiler (a Rayburn Rhapsody) in 1969.
    Originally posted by ariba10
    We've just fitted a new condensing boiler in our house with some original radiators from the 30s and some that were added in the 50s. I don't think I've heard of anybody replacing the whole system (particularly with comparatively modern radiators) rather than just the boiler.
    • krey
    • By krey 20th Sep 16, 11:17 AM
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    why not? I have listed my costs for the boiler/new system and a labour/sertificate to hook the boiler up, it's 1-2days job for any plumber to hook up the radiators. so you are being charged 2k for that 1-2days job.. Couldn't you really find someone cheaper for just the radiator fitting part and supply the radiators/boiler yourself?

    about the new radiators previous posters are suggesting that you might not need them, you would be mad not to have them because the radiators themselves don't really cost that much,the only part where it gets expensive is getting someone to fit them if you can't do it yourself.
    Last edited by krey; 20-09-2016 at 11:19 AM.
    • missbiggles1
    • By missbiggles1 20th Sep 16, 11:43 AM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 11:43 AM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 11:43 AM
    why not? I have listed my costs for the boiler/new system and a labour/sertificate to hook the boiler up, it's 1-2days job for any plumber to hook up the radiators. so you are being charged 2k for that 1-2days job.. Couldn't you really find someone cheaper for just the radiator fitting part and supply the radiators/boiler yourself?

    about the new radiators previous posters are suggesting that you might not need them, you would be mad not to have them because the radiators themselves don't really cost that much,the only part where it gets expensive is getting someone to fit them if you can't do it yourself.
    Originally posted by krey
    Even if radiators are comparatively inexpensive, why replace them if you don't need to?

    Anyway, the OP isn't talking about just fitting new radiators, s/he's talking about ripping out all the pipework and starting from scratch.
    • katies mum
    • By katies mum 20th Sep 16, 2:13 PM
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    • 20th Sep 16, 2:13 PM
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    Our system is old and was installed when the house was built (30`odd years ago) before we moved in. The pipework is really narrow compared to what is filled now and none of the radiators have thermostats and only have piping going into them from one side - if that makes sense.

    Because its all old and a new boiler would be so powerful I have been told by every plumber I would require new pipes etc and I think it would be a good idea then we know everything has been renewed, would hate to think a few months down the line I had a leak due to old pipework and fittings. Hope this makes sense
    • keith969
    • By keith969 20th Sep 16, 2:34 PM
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    Because its all old and a new boiler would be so powerful I have been told by every plumber I would require new pipes etc and I think it would be a good idea then we know everything has been renewed, would hate to think a few months down the line I had a leak due to old pipework and fittings. Hope this makes sense
    Originally posted by katies mum
    My previous house was built in the early 50's and still had copper pipes from that era (and even a couple of radiators, hard finding a curved replacement for the one in the living room bay window!)

    When we had the extension done and a new boiler etc. the existing pipework stayed put as it was fine. Replacing it would have meant taking up lots of floorboards, I can imagine the cost would go up quite a bit as a result.

    Only thing I had to be careful about was when moving a radiator subsequently - original pipes were 3/4" and needed an imperial to metric coupler as 3/4" is not the same as new 22mm pipe!
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    • katies mum
    • By katies mum 20th Sep 16, 3:00 PM
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    I`m getting in touch with a couple more heating engineers so I`ll see what they have to say. I`ll let them look and not prompt them by saying what I think I need.
    • missbiggles1
    • By missbiggles1 20th Sep 16, 4:59 PM
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    My previous house was built in the early 50's and still had copper pipes from that era (and even a couple of radiators, hard finding a curved replacement for the one in the living room bay window!)

    When we had the extension done and a new boiler etc. the existing pipework stayed put as it was fine. Replacing it would have meant taking up lots of floorboards, I can imagine the cost would go up quite a bit as a result.

    Only thing I had to be careful about was when moving a radiator subsequently - original pipes were 3/4" and needed an imperial to metric coupler as 3/4" is not the same as new 22mm pipe!
    Originally posted by keith969
    My house is 1930s and, as I said earlier, has some of the original radiators and some added in the 50s. None of the plumbers who quoted for a new boiler suggested replacing radiators and/or pipework. That was also true of the other 2/3 places where we replaced the boilers, which is why I'm so surprised at the suggestion.
    • katies mum
    • By katies mum 20th Sep 16, 5:10 PM
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    Another plumber is coming round tomorrow, I have said I need a new boiler but not mentioned anything else. Will be interesting to see what he says. I said to the other plumbers I need a new heating system and boiler, none of them said any different. Fingers crossed.
    • paulsad
    • By paulsad 20th Sep 16, 5:20 PM
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    My thoughts...
    Modern rads are generally more efficient so you get more heat - old rads can be full of built up crud that could (even after a power flush) damage your new boiler. Modern plastic pipework can be fine (when properly fitted) but if you have any vermin problem can be chewed through, I did have older plastic pipe in my last property that degraded leading to fine sludge blocking the pipework and damaging the heat exchanger in the boiler. Got a Ferroli boiler in this house and it's pants - good job my lad is a heating engineer.
    Had Vaillants, WB, Gloworm before with no hassle.
    • katies mum
    • By katies mum 21st Sep 16, 12:28 PM
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    Thanks paulsad, I dread to think what is inside our radiators :-( I don`t know much about central heating but think we would be more comfortable with copper piping than plastic. Just want a good system and boiler that is going to be reliable.
    • southcoastrgi
    • By southcoastrgi 21st Sep 16, 10:43 PM
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    either way you are getting ripped off and should look for more quotes. got someone to hook it up ( as you must get someone certified to do that) for £200, a rip-off for what it is, but oh well you must get that damn paper to sign it off..
    Originally posted by krey
    1st the OP isn't getting ripped off & it looks like they have had a few quotes,
    No decent RGI is going to sign off a boiler fitted by an amateur,
    £200 is way too cheap to make sure you aren't going to blow yourself up or kill your family with CO,

    OP out of the list of boilers you have been quoted for the Intergas is far & away the best one, don't believe the Worcester hype they really aren't the best around.
    I'm only here while I wait for Corrie to start.

    You get no BS from me & if I think you are wrong I WILL tell you.
    • katies mum
    • By katies mum 22nd Sep 16, 9:05 AM
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    Thank you southcoastrgi, I have been reading up about the Intergas boilers and they sound really good. The person I had out yesterday likes to fit Atag boilers, I see these seem quite highly rated as well but not sure how they compare to the Intergas. He did say it will have a 10 year warranty.

    H said he would let me have a quote in the next couple of days, off the top of his head he thought £4,000 - 4,500 so I`m wondering if this is the going rate for this area! 4 out of 6 estimates seem to be going with this figure. Many thanks
    • southcoastrgi
    • By southcoastrgi 22nd Sep 16, 10:16 AM
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    Yes Atag is a very good boiler as well, both are the most efficient boilers you can get & im sure you will be happy with either
    I'm only here while I wait for Corrie to start.

    You get no BS from me & if I think you are wrong I WILL tell you.
    • katies mum
    • By katies mum 22nd Sep 16, 11:38 AM
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    Thank you, think I`ll make a decision when the quote comes in. Don`t think am going to get much variation in prices by the look of what I have been given so far... didn`t really want to have to pay £4500 but need to get the job sorted asap (my own fault for not getting it done in the summer)
    • emmatthews
    • By emmatthews 24th Sep 16, 9:24 AM
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    When we had our boiler changed we had to have all the pipes replaced upstairs. The rads were on "single pipe system" whereas downstairs was double. Can't remember the explanation, but were told it had to be done!
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